This is an old thread that mentions using a vest (such as for fishing) to carry survival supplies under your parachute. I was reading the annual report of the "Cornell Lab of Ornithology" which had an advertisement for a well made birding vest that
might fit the bill (get it?).

There is a light weight "equatorial" model which might be best for our purposes. $150.
https://www.bigpockets.com/big-pockets-vests

- John DeRosa (OHM)

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At the 2022 Club Class Nationals, there was a short safety brief each morning at the Pilot Meeting by different contestants. Sylvia Grandstaff presented a very good idea adopted by the US military. It is a Cyalume glow stick attached to a string. When
activated and whirled around on the string, the light is highly visible, and the motion really attracts the eye. Lightweight, cheap and does not require batteries.

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I don't recommend a vest that only has velcro to secure the pockets. In a bailout, everything is going to disappear. (Ask Dave Nadler about this.) I have been using a Bushline Manitoulin vest for a couple of years, but it may not be available any longer.
Here is a similar vest with zippered pockets and pouches:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233851082122?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

And, at $49.99, it is 1/3 the price of the one John pointed out in his post.

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Another vest. Even cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Pellor-Multi-Pocket-Breathable-Waistcoat-Photography/dp/B07P7F9JVG/ref=cs_sr_dp_2?crid=155426RHWFL6J&keywords=bushline+vest&qid=1666616796&sprefix=bushline+vest%2Caps%2C534&sr=8-37

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On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 11:16:58 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On 10/24/2022 6:12 AM, Mark Mocho wrote:

Another vest. Even cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Pellor-Multi-Pocket-Breathable-Waistcoat-Photography/dp/B07P7F9JVG/ref=cs_sr_dp_2?crid=155426RHWFL6J&keywords=bushline+vest&qid=1666616796&sprefix=bushline+vest%2Caps%2C534&sr=8-37

It's an interesting idea, but how do you wear it with a parachute? My parachute straps
would go right over the pockets, ditto for the seat belts. Has anyone tried these in the
cockpit?
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Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

I got a "runner's belt" with two pouches - sort of like a money belt. Phone and "short list" from my wallet in one, bivy bag in the other.

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On 10/24/2022 6:12 AM, Mark Mocho wrote:

Another vest. Even cheaper.

https://www.amazon.com/Pellor-Multi-Pocket-Breathable-Waistcoat-Photography/dp/B07P7F9JVG/ref=cs_sr_dp_2?crid=155426RHWFL6J&keywords=bushline+vest&qid=1666616796&sprefix=bushline+vest%2Caps%2C534&sr=8-37

It's an interesting idea, but how do you wear it with a parachute? My parachute straps
would go right over the pockets, ditto for the seat belts. Has anyone tried these in the
cockpit?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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I have a Bushline Manitoulin vest that I have been wearing for the last couple of years under my Paraphernalia chute. I can arrange the side pouches and shoulder pouches so that the chute harness straps fit in between them. The lap and shoulder harness
belts do not interfere with the pouches if you move everything into a comfortable position. The shoulder straps sometimes have to go over the upper vest pouches, but I make sure there aren't any hard objects in those. Since I am carrying quite a bit of
stuff in the lower pouches, the cockpit is fairly cramped, but I have gotten used to it. Reaching the side cockpit trim lever has to be done by feel, but it isn't a big issue. What is a problem is that cockpit egress is a bit more difficult due to the
bulk and weight, but I consciously practice that and work out enough to maintain upper body strength. After exiting the cockpit, I always practice looking for and then grabbing the ripcord handle, as it is somewhat hidden by the pouches on the vest. I
know it is a problem, so I try to be proactive in keeping the procedure fresh, so I (hopefully) won't be fumbling for it in an emergency. I hope I never have to bail out, but if I do, I will hopefully have enough emergency gear that my survival prospects
are better than if I landed under canopy with no hat, no glasses, no water, no signaling devices and nothing in my wallet other than a few bucks, credit cards, bar receipts and a driver's license. Of course, I also have a Medicare card, which implies
that there is no longer much need to carry condoms.

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On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:51:48 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:

I have a Bushline Manitoulin vest that I have been wearing for the last couple of years under my Paraphernalia chute. I can arrange the side pouches and shoulder pouches so that the chute harness straps fit in between them. The lap and shoulder harness

belts do not interfere with the pouches if you move everything into a comfortable position. The shoulder straps sometimes have to go over the upper vest pouches, but I make sure there aren't any hard objects in those. Since I am carrying quite a bit of
stuff in the lower pouches, the cockpit is fairly cramped, but I have gotten used to it. Reaching the side cockpit trim lever has to be done by feel, but it isn't a big issue. What is a problem is that cockpit egress is a bit more difficult due to the
bulk and weight, but I consciously practice that and work out enough to maintain upper body strength. After exiting the cockpit, I always practice looking for and then grabbing the ripcord handle, as it is somewhat hidden by the pouches on the vest. I
know it is a problem, so I try to be proactive in keeping the procedure fresh, so I (hopefully) won't be fumbling for it in an emergency. I hope I never have to bail out, but if I do, I will hopefully have enough emergency gear that my survival prospects
are better than if I landed under canopy with no hat, no glasses, no water, no signaling devices and nothing in my wallet other than a few bucks, credit cards, bar receipts and a driver's license. Of course, I also have a Medicare card, which implies
that there is no longer much need to carry condoms.

I agree in theory, but IMHO I would suggest that anything on your person that may negatively impact egress of the cockpit and subsequently pulling the D ring should be removed. Bailing out successfully 95% and failing 5(?)% because you can't find the D
ring in time or a fishing vest pocket gets hung up on the gunnel is just not acceptable. I won't gamble my life on that 5%. Save your life first. How many times have glider pilots died from exposure after bailing out? None that I have ever heard of.
As an alternative I know a few folks use flight suits that have various zipper pockets. If you want secure storage for some gear, this is probably your best option.
https://www.amazon.com/Propper-Nomex-Flight-Force-Regular/dp/B007HOMRFS/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=flight+suits&qid=1666639154&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI2LjE1IiwicXNhIjoiNS42MSIsInFzcCI6IjQuODMifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

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On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:13:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On 10/24/2022 12:27 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:51:48 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:

I have a Bushline Manitoulin vest that I have been wearing for the last couple of years under my Paraphernalia chute. I can arrange the side pouches and shoulder pouches so that the chute harness straps fit in between them. The lap and shoulder

harness belts do not interfere with the pouches if you move everything into a comfortable position. The shoulder straps sometimes have to go over the upper vest pouches, but I make sure there aren't any hard objects in those. Since I am carrying quite a
bit of stuff in the lower pouches, the cockpit is fairly cramped, but I have gotten used to it. Reaching the side cockpit trim lever has to be done by feel, but it isn't a big issue. What is a problem is that cockpit egress is a bit more difficult due to
the bulk and weight, but I consciously practice that and work out enough to maintain upper body strength. After exiting the cockpit, I always practice looking for and then grabbing the ripcord handle, as it is somewhat hidden by the pouches on the vest.
I know it is a problem, so I try to be proactive in keeping the procedure fresh, so I (hopefully) won't be fumbling for it in an emergency. I hope I never have to bail out, but if I do, I will hopefully have enough emergency gear that my survival
prospects are better than if I landed under canopy with no hat, no glasses, no water, no signaling devices and nothing in my wallet other than a few bucks, credit cards, bar receipts and a driver's license. Of course, I also have a Medicare card, which
implies that there is no longer much need to carry condoms.

I agree in theory, but IMHO I would suggest that anything on your person that may negatively impact egress of the cockpit and subsequently pulling the D ring should be removed. Bailing out successfully 95% and failing 5(?)% because you can't find the

D ring in time or a fishing vest pocket gets hung up on the gunnel is just not acceptable. I won't gamble my life on that 5%. Save your life first. How many times have glider pilots died from exposure after bailing out? None that I have ever heard of.

As an alternative I know a few folks use flight suits that have various zipper pockets. If you want secure storage for some gear, this is probably your best option.
https://www.amazon.com/Propper-Nomex-Flight-Force-Regular/dp/B007HOMRFS/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=flight+suits&qid=1666639154&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI2LjE1IiwicXNhIjoiNS42MSIsInFzcCI6IjQuODMifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

I like cargo pants with zip off legs, and several zippered pockets. These are similar to
the ones I bought at Costco.

https://www.amazon.com/Gash-Hao-Convertible-Breathable-Lightweight/dp/B07PP4YRBW/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?crid=1NM0YLVX3CCDB&keywords=pants+with+removable+legs&qid=1666641697&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjkyIiwicXNhIjoiMy42OCIsInFzcCI6IjIuNTUifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=pants+with+

removable%2Caps%2C221&sr=8-3-spons&psc=1

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

Several good theories here but I have not heard one word about the most important thing to have when you hit the ground, if you survive. Most people who fly gliders have never jumped and therefore need jumping 101. My wife knows a bit about jumping, has
made them from as high as 20K AGL. When I showed Eileen this thread she immediately kind of laughed and replied that they are missing the most important thing that is taught in basic jump survival school, excluding the military in hostile venue's. Keep
the chute, it can save your life when nothing else can! It can be used as a canopy against the sun, can be used as a cover in cold weather, can be used as a signal device, and can be used as a bandage. OGN is not going to save your life! You have better
chances of the ping on your cell phone or Spot to determine your exact location.
A stated, do not impede the ability to get to the D ring depending on your jump altitude and wind factors, you could be blown for miles. Old Bob, The Purist

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On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:37:31 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:13:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On 10/24/2022 12:27 PM, Craig Reinholt wrote:

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:51:48 AM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:

I have a Bushline Manitoulin vest that I have been wearing for the last couple of years under my Paraphernalia chute. I can arrange the side pouches and shoulder pouches so that the chute harness straps fit in between them. The lap and shoulder

harness belts do not interfere with the pouches if you move everything into a comfortable position. The shoulder straps sometimes have to go over the upper vest pouches, but I make sure there aren't any hard objects in those. Since I am carrying quite a
bit of stuff in the lower pouches, the cockpit is fairly cramped, but I have gotten used to it. Reaching the side cockpit trim lever has to be done by feel, but it isn't a big issue. What is a problem is that cockpit egress is a bit more difficult due to
the bulk and weight, but I consciously practice that and work out enough to maintain upper body strength. After exiting the cockpit, I always practice looking for and then grabbing the ripcord handle, as it is somewhat hidden by the pouches on the vest.
I know it is a problem, so I try to be proactive in keeping the procedure fresh, so I (hopefully) won't be fumbling for it in an emergency. I hope I never have to bail out, but if I do, I will hopefully have enough emergency gear that my survival
prospects are better than if I landed under canopy with no hat, no glasses, no water, no signaling devices and nothing in my wallet other than a few bucks, credit cards, bar receipts and a driver's license. Of course, I also have a Medicare card, which
implies that there is no longer much need to carry condoms.

I agree in theory, but IMHO I would suggest that anything on your person that may negatively impact egress of the cockpit and subsequently pulling the D ring should be removed. Bailing out successfully 95% and failing 5(?)% because you can't find

the D ring in time or a fishing vest pocket gets hung up on the gunnel is just not acceptable. I won't gamble my life on that 5%. Save your life first. How many times have glider pilots died from exposure after bailing out? None that I have ever heard of.

As an alternative I know a few folks use flight suits that have various zipper pockets. If you want secure storage for some gear, this is probably your best option.
https://www.amazon.com/Propper-Nomex-Flight-Force-Regular/dp/B007HOMRFS/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=flight+suits&qid=1666639154&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI2LjE1IiwicXNhIjoiNS42MSIsInFzcCI6IjQuODMifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

I like cargo pants with zip off legs, and several zippered pockets. These are similar to
the ones I bought at Costco.

https://www.amazon.com/Gash-Hao-Convertible-Breathable-Lightweight/dp/B07PP4YRBW/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?crid=1NM0YLVX3CCDB&keywords=pants+with+removable+legs&qid=1666641697&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjkyIiwicXNhIjoiMy42OCIsInFzcCI6IjIuNTUifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=pants+with+

removable%2Caps%2C221&sr=8-3-spons&psc=1

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

Several good theories here but I have not heard one word about the most important thing to have when you hit the ground, if you survive. Most people who fly gliders have never jumped and therefore need jumping 101. My wife knows a bit about jumping,

has made them from as high as 20K AGL. When I showed Eileen this thread she immediately kind of laughed and replied that they are missing the most important thing that is taught in basic jump survival school, excluding the military in hostile venue's.
Keep the chute, it can save your life when nothing else can! It can be used as a canopy against the sun, can be used as a cover in cold weather, can be used as a signal device, and can be used as a bandage. OGN is not going to save your life! You have
better chances of the ping on your cell phone or Spot to determine your exact location.

A stated, do not impede the ability to get to the D ring depending on your jump altitude and wind factors, you could be blown for miles. Old Bob, The Purist

Whatever option you choose to go with to wear under your parachute harness, make sure the loaded pockets do not interfere with or block access to the D-handle of the rip-chord of your parachute. I had to rethink an option because of this.

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