Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The PuristFoaming at the mouth again, Ricky-Bobbie? Watch your blood pressure, old people are prone to strokes and heart desease. Could also affect your medical. Wishing you nothing but the best!
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 3:15:32 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The PuristFoaming at the mouth again, Ricky-Bobbie? Watch your blood pressure, old people are prone to strokes and heart desease. Could also affect your medical. Wishing you nothing but the best!
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a trailer and aSuburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
Just going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a trailer and a
Now Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.Old Bob, The Purist
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in the air.
As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. Also operated theJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a trailer and
Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in the air.
the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. Also operatedJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
I do remember gliders that required the assistance of others to launch and retrieve. I remember outdoor plumbing, muzzle loading muskets, dial telephones, and root cellars too - that doesn't mean I want to turn back the clock on progress. Why stop atthe latest advancements? Why not go back to pellet varios, wood and fabric, or wax and feathers like Icarus? Old Bob is about 2% pure, not Ivory Soap pure. Base jumping without a chute is 100% pure, but your OLC postings will be limited.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a trailer
air. Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in the
operated the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. AlsoJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
please add it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume, but
glider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wife thatI am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher in pure
like many of us Purist.The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight just
Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a trailer
Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in the air.
the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. Also operatedJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume, but pleaseadd it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!
I am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher in pureglider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wife that
The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight just likemany of us Purist.
Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:the latest advancements? Why not go back to pellet varios, wood and fabric, or wax and feathers like Icarus? Old Bob is about 2% pure, not Ivory Soap pure. Base jumping without a chute is 100% pure, but your OLC postings will be limited.
I do remember gliders that required the assistance of others to launch and retrieve. I remember outdoor plumbing, muzzle loading muskets, dial telephones, and root cellars too - that doesn't mean I want to turn back the clock on progress. Why stop at
Whatever it takes to get out of Crete! Old Bob, The Puristtrailer and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a
air. Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in the
operated the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. AlsoJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
please add it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume, but
glider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wife thatI am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher in pure
like many of us Purist.The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight just
Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:06:02 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:at the latest advancements? Why not go back to pellet varios, wood and fabric, or wax and feathers like Icarus? Old Bob is about 2% pure, not Ivory Soap pure. Base jumping without a chute is 100% pure, but your OLC postings will be limited.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
I do remember gliders that required the assistance of others to launch and retrieve. I remember outdoor plumbing, muzzle loading muskets, dial telephones, and root cellars too - that doesn't mean I want to turn back the clock on progress. Why stop
trailer and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".Whatever it takes to get out of Crete! Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a
the air. Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in
operated the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. AlsoJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
please add it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume, but
pure glider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wifeI am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher in
just like many of us Purist.The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight
DH, it has been confirmed that you are indeed suffering from something more serious than Motorgliderology, most people with the disease can be treated, not you! Maybe the three amigos, DH, Herbie and Killian can find help for their demented attitudes.Hey Bobbie, how is the search going for a new strip?Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:15:05 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:stop at the latest advancements? Why not go back to pellet varios, wood and fabric, or wax and feathers like Icarus? Old Bob is about 2% pure, not Ivory Soap pure. Base jumping without a chute is 100% pure, but your OLC postings will be limited.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:06:02 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
I do remember gliders that required the assistance of others to launch and retrieve. I remember outdoor plumbing, muzzle loading muskets, dial telephones, and root cellars too - that doesn't mean I want to turn back the clock on progress. Why
trailer and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".Whatever it takes to get out of Crete! Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a
the air. Old Bob, The PuristNow Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow pilot.
The offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time in
operated the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany. AlsoJust going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
please add it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume, but
pure glider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wifeI am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher in
just like many of us Purist.The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight
Old Bob, The PuristDH, it has been confirmed that you are indeed suffering from something more serious than Motorgliderology, most people with the disease can be treated, not you! Maybe the three amigos, DH, Herbie and Killian can find help for their demented attitudes.Hey Bobbie, how is the search going for a new strip?Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 4:57:53 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:stop at the latest advancements? Why not go back to pellet varios, wood and fabric, or wax and feathers like Icarus? Old Bob is about 2% pure, not Ivory Soap pure. Base jumping without a chute is 100% pure, but your OLC postings will be limited.
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:15:05 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:06:02 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
I do remember gliders that required the assistance of others to launch and retrieve. I remember outdoor plumbing, muzzle loading muskets, dial telephones, and root cellars too - that doesn't mean I want to turn back the clock on progress. Why
trailer and a Suburban to pull it and a crew to drive it and don't mind missing dinner".Whatever it takes to get out of Crete! Old Bob, The Purist
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 7:06:36 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 7:02:01 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
To be consistent, Sean should change the name for any other category to "Gliders that require a towplane with a motor". Or perhaps, "Aircraft that are lawn ornaments without a Pawnee". Or maybe, "One-way ticket gliders unless you have a
pilot.Now Fitch, maybe the article should be "Humble Beginnings", and have a picture of that beautiful Pawnee with a glider in tow, I am 100% sure that you remember and cherish the days of past when you were thankful to that Pawnee and tow
in the air. Old Bob, The PuristThe offer still stands, all motorglder pilots are welcome here in Vero Beach for our spring safari, if that motor blows or you need help getting into the air that Pawnee will be there providing a tow so that you may still enjoy your time
Also operated the winch with up to 70 starts per day. No Pawnees, no motorgliders. I still relish releasing at 1,000-1,500' from tow and thermal away. Now that's pure soaring, the purist would know nothing about it.As an immigrant (better check my papers, Ricky-Bobbie) to this country to help the ailing US ecomomy, I have yet to make my first winch launch over here. All my 500+ instructional and following flights were made on the winch in Germany.Just going for honesty in representation.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 1:15:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
Say it isn't so, now there is even more documentation about the so called motorglider. They should just change the name to powered airplanes. Old Bob, The Purist
but please add it if you wish, also have many aero tows and many as tow pilot from my beautiful Pawnee's!Herbie, as we say down south, you are letting your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird ass. Thanks for being an immigrant, aren't we all? I too have winch launched, flown motorgliders and auto launched, did not see that on you resume,
in pure glider flight is the first step min this 21 day process. There is a strong possibility that there may need be a winch launch to refresh you mind and revert you back to the Purist approach to soaring. This may also require that you inform the wifeI am heavily involved in psychoanalyzing motor glider pilots and have been working on a new definition for those like yourself whom have been suffering from this terrible disease. Please understand that there is help on the way, a refresher
just like many of us Purist.The term associated with this unmanly disorder is "Motorgliderology", yes it can hit anyone, male or female, but there is a treatment that is 100% effective in restoring the motorglider pilot back to the more respectable form of glider flight
Old Bob, The PuristDH, it has been confirmed that you are indeed suffering from something more serious than Motorgliderology, most people with the disease can be treated, not you! Maybe the three amigos, DH, Herbie and Killian can find help for their demented attitudes.Hey Bobbie, how is the search going for a new strip?Now the invitation still stands, Vero Beach is a great place surrounded by many Purist glider pilots. Old Bob, The Purist
I will take that as "not well". Got it.DH, things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52 today,
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52 today,lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/10/2022 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52 today,
Great day? The NWS forecast shows 60% chance of rain, lightning, thunder, heat index 100+
- are those conditions considered "great" in your area? Well then, someone should try the
270 km O&R suggested (among other tasks) by SkySight. Go SW to near Cape Coral, turn
around and fly back through the showers and lightning (but task misses all the airspace).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 5:25:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/10/2022 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52 today,
Great day? The NWS forecast shows 60% chance of rain, lightning, thunder, heat index 100+
- are those conditions considered "great" in your area? Well then, someone should try the
270 km O&R suggested (among other tasks) by SkySight. Go SW to near Cape Coral, turn
around and fly back through the showers and lightning (but task misses all the airspace).
Only 100 + on the heat index, seems like a cold front just moved in. We are accustomed to greater index that a measly 100, that separates us from all the Canadians. Never trust Skysight or Dr. Jack, learn the weather and use your own measure of good Wx.
Your task is way too easy, go straight to Libelle, then go north on the west side of 2901 and come across the tough part north of 2901 and east back to X52. Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/10/2022 3:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:today, lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 5:25:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/10/2022 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52
Wx.Great day? The NWS forecast shows 60% chance of rain, lightning, thunder, heat index 100+
- are those conditions considered "great" in your area? Well then, someone should try the
270 km O&R suggested (among other tasks) by SkySight. Go SW to near Cape Coral, turn
around and fly back through the showers and lightning (but task misses all the airspace).
Only 100 + on the heat index, seems like a cold front just moved in. We are accustomed to greater index that a measly 100, that separates us from all the Canadians. Never trust Skysight or Dr. Jack, learn the weather and use your own measure of good
Your task is way too easy, go straight to Libelle, then go north on the west side of 2901 and come across the tough part north of 2901 and east back to X52. Old Bob, The PuristYou say it's a great day, propose a 383km task, and yet the conditions are so bad in all
of Florida, nobody posts a flight! On a Saturday! Maybe you should trust SkySight, because
it predicted poor soaring. Sorry, I have to give you "Four Pinocchios" for this soaring
weather report.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 12:45:54 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:today, lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/10/2022 3:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 5:25:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/10/2022 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52
good Wx.Great day? The NWS forecast shows 60% chance of rain, lightning, thunder, heat index 100+
- are those conditions considered "great" in your area? Well then, someone should try the
270 km O&R suggested (among other tasks) by SkySight. Go SW to near Cape Coral, turn
around and fly back through the showers and lightning (but task misses all the airspace).
Only 100 + on the heat index, seems like a cold front just moved in. We are accustomed to greater index that a measly 100, that separates us from all the Canadians. Never trust Skysight or Dr. Jack, learn the weather and use your own measure of
mangoes need water and I grow lots of mangoes. A visitor came over from the Tampa Soaring Club, and spent time looking at a glider and visiting our hangar, to say the least he was impressed!Every day is a great day in Florida, our club sold rides yesterday, we did training, and also washed and cleaned the club ships also had two new guys show up for interest in becoming a new member. The the late afternoon storms came that we much needed,Your task is way too easy, go straight to Libelle, then go north on the west side of 2901 and come across the tough part north of 2901 and east back to X52. Old Bob, The PuristYou say it's a great day, propose a 383km task, and yet the conditions are so bad in all
of Florida, nobody posts a flight! On a Saturday! Maybe you should trust SkySight, because
it predicted poor soaring. Sorry, I have to give you "Four Pinocchios" for this soaring
weather report.
Don't know what you guys did up in WA, probably cut firewood for the cold winter months. OBTPWe actually fly year round. Well I don’t but Evergreen Soaring does. Too f-ing cold. How’s winter soaring in your neck of the wood Bob?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:today, lots of great people, many hours of fun. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 12:45:54 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/10/2022 3:27 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 5:25:42 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/10/2022 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
things are great here at X52, no need to worry about the future, Maybe your future is in question? I regret that I did not mention Kinsell in my previous post, meant Kinsell instead of Killian. even old Bob makes typo's. What a great day at X52
good Wx.Great day? The NWS forecast shows 60% chance of rain, lightning, thunder, heat index 100+
- are those conditions considered "great" in your area? Well then, someone should try the
270 km O&R suggested (among other tasks) by SkySight. Go SW to near Cape Coral, turn
around and fly back through the showers and lightning (but task misses all the airspace).
Only 100 + on the heat index, seems like a cold front just moved in. We are accustomed to greater index that a measly 100, that separates us from all the Canadians. Never trust Skysight or Dr. Jack, learn the weather and use your own measure of
needed, mangoes need water and I grow lots of mangoes. A visitor came over from the Tampa Soaring Club, and spent time looking at a glider and visiting our hangar, to say the least he was impressed!Every day is a great day in Florida, our club sold rides yesterday, we did training, and also washed and cleaned the club ships also had two new guys show up for interest in becoming a new member. The the late afternoon storms came that we muchYour task is way too easy, go straight to Libelle, then go north on the west side of 2901 and come across the tough part north of 2901 and east back to X52. Old Bob, The PuristYou say it's a great day, propose a 383km task, and yet the conditions are so bad in all
of Florida, nobody posts a flight! On a Saturday! Maybe you should trust SkySight, because
it predicted poor soaring. Sorry, I have to give you "Four Pinocchios" for this soaring
weather report.
Winter soaring in my neck of the woods is usually pretty good, the last couple of years we have had unusual rains into December and that slowed things down a bit, yet we were still able to soar. One of the better months in Florida is October, yes believeDon't know what you guys did up in WA, probably cut firewood for the cold winter months. OBTPWe actually fly year round. Well I don’t but Evergreen Soaring does. Too f-ing cold. How’s winter soaring in your neck of the wood Bob?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Charlie
Dear OBTP,key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a decent crow hop
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own power, is
bumper
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a decent crow hop
Dear OBTP,
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own power, is
bumperYou just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a decent crow hop
Dear OBTP,
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own power, is
bumperYou just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a decent crow hop
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own power, is
two categories which would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what I call the umbrella of the motor.You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
bumper
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that motorgliders offer no advantage and they will point out that contest are won by Purist more often than not, that response was documented here in an earlier post. OLC should also have
Bump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand this sport very well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or so, not to the good IMHO. Several of my friends are Motorglider guys and gals, we have known each other for along time, some of them for as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life is too short, have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The Purist
On 9/12/2022 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your
crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring
flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight
unaided, at will, and under their own power, is key to their success
and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird.
Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled
glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make
so much as a decent crow hop without outside power or steep
downslope. Is that what leads to your attempts elevate yourself by
disparaging others?
bumper
any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why
soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and,
B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that
motorgliders offer no advantage and they will point out that contest
are won by Purist more often than not, that response was documented
here in an earlier post. OLC should also have two categories which
would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what I
call the umbrella of the motor.
Bump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand
this sport very well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or
so, not to the good IMHO. Several of my friends are Motorglider guys
and gals, we have known each other for a long time, some of them for
as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one
that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life
is too short, have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The
Purist
We've been dividing gliders into different racing classes for many
decades, such as Std, 15M, and Open, and more recently, we introduced
the Sports Class, which allowed all gliders to fly in it by
handicapping, and the similar Club Class. Lots of effort went into these decisions over the 40+ years I've been flying, and motorgliders flew in
all these classes in increasing numbers. There were many rule changes
during that 40 years, but I do not recall any rule attempting to treat motorgliders differently than towed gliders that would reduce their "advantage".
Now, we have a pilot that does not fly in SSA competitions, and scores
very modestly on the OLC (even if only compared to towed gliders), complaining about the "advantage" motorgliders have! Most of us realize
there are many factors that help or harm a pilot's performance in
contests: income$, employment status, people skills, home location,
education - all these affect a pilot's competition success more than the "advantage" of flying a motorglider in a contest, yet The Purists
ignores them.
Still, the biggest problem with separating towed and untowed is the
contests will be smaller and less economic to sponsor. We all lose if we
make the contests "fairer".
On 9/12/2022 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:is key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a decent crow hop
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own power,
have two categories which would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what I call the umbrella of the motor.You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
bumper
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that motorgliders offer no advantage and they will point out that contest are won by Purist more often than not, that response was documented here in an earlier post. OLC should also
long time, some of them for as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life is too short, have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The PuristBump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand this sport very well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or so, not to the good IMHO. Several of my friends are Motorglider guys and gals, we have known each other for a
We've been dividing gliders into different racing classes for many decades, such as Std,Eric, if you think that flying in competition is some sort of standard for evaluation you need a good history lesson. I don't have to toot my horn about flying gliders, I did it often with some of the best, one of which was the best and never flew any
15M, and Open, and more recently, we introduced the Sports Class, which allowed all
gliders to fly in it by handicapping, and the similar Club Class. Lots of effort went into
these decisions over the 40+ years I've been flying, and motorgliders flew in all these
classes in increasing numbers. There were many rule changes during that 40 years, but I do
not recall any rule attempting to treat motorgliders differently than towed gliders that
would reduce their "advantage".
Now, we have a pilot that does not fly in SSA competitions, and scores very modestly on
the OLC (even if only compared to towed gliders), complaining about the "advantage"
motorgliders have! Most of us realize there are many factors that help or harm a pilot's
performance in contests: income$, employment status, people skills, home location,
education - all these affect a pilot's competition success more than the "advantage" of
flying a motorglider in a contest, yet The Purists ignores them.
Still, the biggest problem with separating towed and untowed is the contests will be
smaller and less economic to sponsor. We all lose if we make the contests "fairer".
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Not to break up the banter but, what's the difference between SportsS
Class and Club Class?
Dan
5J
On 9/12/22 08:15, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/12/2022 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your >>>> crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring
flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight >>>> unaided, at will, and under their own power, is key to their success >>>> and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird.
Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled
glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make >>>> so much as a decent crow hop without outside power or steep
downslope. Is that what leads to your attempts elevate yourself by
disparaging others?
bumper
any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why
soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and,
B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that
motorgliders offer no advantage and they will point out that contest
are won by Purist more often than not, that response was documented
here in an earlier post. OLC should also have two categories which
would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what I
call the umbrella of the motor.
Bump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand
this sport very well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or
so, not to the good IMHO. Several of my friends are Motorglider guys
and gals, we have known each other for a long time, some of them for
as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one
that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life
is too short, have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The
Purist
We've been dividing gliders into different racing classes for many decades, such as Std, 15M, and Open, and more recently, we introduced
the Sports Class, which allowed all gliders to fly in it by
handicapping, and the similar Club Class. Lots of effort went into these decisions over the 40+ years I've been flying, and motorgliders flew in all these classes in increasing numbers. There were many rule changes during that 40 years, but I do not recall any rule attempting to treat motorgliders differently than towed gliders that would reduce their "advantage".
Now, we have a pilot that does not fly in SSA competitions, and scores very modestly on the OLC (even if only compared to towed gliders), complaining about the "advantage" motorgliders have! Most of us realize there are many factors that help or harm a pilot's performance in contests: income$, employment status, people skills, home location, education - all these affect a pilot's competition success more than the "advantage" of flying a motorglider in a contest, yet The Purists
ignores them.
Still, the biggest problem with separating towed and untowed is the contests will be smaller and less economic to sponsor. We all lose if we make the contests "fairer".
Not to break up the banter but, what's the difference between Sports Class and Club Class?
Dan
5J
On 9/12/22 08:15, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/12/2022 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce any world champions
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your crippled,
unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring flight are, every one,
self-launchers. Their ability to take flight unaided, at will, and under their own
power, is key to their success and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any
soaring bird. Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled
glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make so much as a
decent crow hop without outside power or steep downslope. Is that what leads to your
attempts elevate yourself by disparaging others?
bumper
since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be
divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that motorgliders
offer no advantage and they will point out that contest are won by Purist more often
than not, that response was documented here in an earlier post. OLC should also have
two categories which would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what
I call the umbrella of the motor.
Bump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand this sport very
well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or so, not to the good IMHO. Several
of my friends are Motorglider guys and gals, we have known each other for a long time,
some of them for as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one
that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life is too short,
have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The Purist
We've been dividing gliders into different racing classes for many decades, such as Std,
15M, and Open, and more recently, we introduced the Sports Class, which allowed all
gliders to fly in it by handicapping, and the similar Club Class. Lots of effort went
into these decisions over the 40+ years I've been flying, and motorgliders flew in all
these classes in increasing numbers. There were many rule changes during that 40 years,
but I do not recall any rule attempting to treat motorgliders differently than towed
gliders that would reduce their "advantage".
Now, we have a pilot that does not fly in SSA competitions, and scores very modestly on
the OLC (even if only compared to towed gliders), complaining about the "advantage"
motorgliders have! Most of us realize there are many factors that help or harm a pilot's
performance in contests: income$, employment status, people skills, home location,
education - all these affect a pilot's competition success more than the "advantage" of
flying a motorglider in a contest, yet The Purists ignores them.
Still, the biggest problem with separating towed and untowed is the contests will be
smaller and less economic to sponsor. We all lose if we make the contests "fairer".
Not to break up the banter but, what's the difference between Sports
Class and Club Class?
Dan
5J
On 9/12/22 08:15, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/12/2022 4:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:24:02 AM UTC-4, ASM wrote:
On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 10:09:16 PM UTC-7, bumper wrote:
Dear OBTP,You just described the reason why the United States didn’t produce
Your "purist" blathering has been flawed from the start.
Any self-launch glider is more akin to "true pure soaring" than your >>>> crippled, unpowered glider. The genuine "true purists" of soaring
flight are, every one, self-launchers. Their ability to take flight >>>> unaided, at will, and under their own power, is key to their success >>>> and survival - watch the freedom and skill of any soaring bird.
Compared to them, and other self-launchers, you and your crippled
glider will remain rank amateurs, bereft of even the ability to make >>>> so much as a decent crow hop without outside power or steep
downslope. Is that what leads to your attempts elevate yourself by
disparaging others?
bumper
any world champions since Doug Jacobs 1985 win. Sad.
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why
soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and,
B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
The motorglider guys and gals will argue until their last breath that
motorgliders offer no advantage and they will point out that contest
are won by Purist more often than not, that response was documented
here in an earlier post. OLC should also have two categories which
would score pure vs Motorglider flights differently based on what I
call the umbrella of the motor.
Bump, I too have been doing this for a long time, know and understand
this sport very well, it has changed drastically the past 20 years or
so, not to the good IMHO. Several of my friends are Motorglider guys
and gals, we have known each other for a long time, some of them for
as long as 45 years. Don't think that your opinion is the only one
that counts, we just look at things differently. Loosen up Bump, life
is too short, have a few laughs and smile along the way. Old Bob, The
Purist
We've been dividing gliders into different racing classes for many decades, such as Std, 15M, and Open, and more recently, we introduced
the Sports Class, which allowed all gliders to fly in it by
handicapping, and the similar Club Class. Lots of effort went into these decisions over the 40+ years I've been flying, and motorgliders flew in all these classes in increasing numbers. There were many rule changes during that 40 years, but I do not recall any rule attempting to treat motorgliders differently than towed gliders that would reduce their "advantage".
Now, we have a pilot that does not fly in SSA competitions, and scores very modestly on the OLC (even if only compared to towed gliders), complaining about the "advantage" motorgliders have! Most of us realize there are many factors that help or harm a pilot's performance in contests: income$, employment status, people skills, home location, education - all these affect a pilot's competition success more than the "advantage" of flying a motorglider in a contest, yet The Purists
ignores them.
Still, the biggest problem with separating towed and untowed is the contests will be smaller and less economic to sponsor. We all lose if we make the contests "fairer".
Sports Class, a US class, accepts all gliders. That huge performance range (eg, 1-26 toTo fly in the European Club Class, you glider type must be on the list of club class gliders.
Nimbus 4) makes good handicapping difficult. The Club Class (European origin, I think)
accepts a much narrower range of performance (+/- 10%? Not sure), so the handicapping does
a much better job of "equalizing" the gliders. There are other differences, but I think
that's the main one.
On 9/12/2022 7:56 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Not to break up the banter but, what's the difference between Sports Class and Club Class?
Dan
5J
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flightyou have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders like
On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leaves such
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? OnAndy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders,
here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here
is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of
the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in
a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this
year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip
on my shoulder about motorgliders like you have? No. And I don't
understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though,
we've seen enough.
On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected]
wrote:
Bumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why
soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and,
B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number
1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience
that depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old
Bob, The Purist
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leavessuch a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist
As I already suggested, on a good day the launch can be half to two per cent of the flightsuch a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist
When you see something circling a mile or two away, you can't tell the difference
On Tuesday, 13 September 2022 at 23:13:53 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leaves
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders like
such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leavesBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leavessuch a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist "
Fixed it for you:believe </b> depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression <b> for me</b>. Old Bob, The <b> Pawnee </b> Purist"
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, <b> I believe that </b> the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that <b> I
It may be hard to believe at such a stratospheric ego level, but you are not the arbiter of soaring purity. Your self appointment to this roll is tiresome. If anything is leaving an unpalatable impression about soaring, it is your posts here. If youwant pure flight without assistance, base jumping without a parachute is the only way - give it a try.
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:13:53 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:like you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders
such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leavesBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist "
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and leaves
believe </b> depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression <b> for me</b>. Old Bob, The <b> Pawnee </b> Purist"Fixed it for you:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, <b> I believe that </b> the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that <b> I
want pure flight without assistance, base jumping without a parachute is the only way - give it a try.It may be hard to believe at such a stratospheric ego level, but you are not the arbiter of soaring purity. Your self appointment to this roll is tiresome. If anything is leaving an unpalatable impression about soaring, it is your posts here. If you
like you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:13:53 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders
leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport andBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
Fitch, please don't fold under the pressure, yet once again the truth hurts you guys with motors, come on, loosen up and enjoy the ride. Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 3:30:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist "
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and
believe </b> depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression <b> for me</b>. Old Bob, The <b> Pawnee </b> Purist"Fixed it for you:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, <b> I believe that </b> the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that <b> I
you want pure flight without assistance, base jumping without a parachute is the only way - give it a try.It may be hard to believe at such a stratospheric ego level, but you are not the arbiter of soaring purity. Your self appointment to this roll is tiresome. If anything is leaving an unpalatable impression about soaring, it is your posts here. If
like you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:13:53 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders
leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport andBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
His future is certain. I’ll fly my Super Cub to Florida and launch him if necessary. Some of you motor glider guys are total dicks. The purest have each other’s backs.Fitch, please don't fold under the pressure, yet once again the truth hurts you guys with motors, come on, loosen up and enjoy the ride. Old Bob, The PuristHey PottyMouth Bobbie, I can launch from ANY airport, so my future is GREAT! Yours sounds uncertain, however, especially your mental health (or the lack of it).
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 3:30:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist "
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and
believe </b> depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression <b> for me</b>. Old Bob, The <b> Pawnee </b> Purist"Fixed it for you:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, <b> I believe that </b> the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that <b> I
you want pure flight without assistance, base jumping without a parachute is the only way - give it a try.It may be hard to believe at such a stratospheric ego level, but you are not the arbiter of soaring purity. Your self appointment to this roll is tiresome. If anything is leaving an unpalatable impression about soaring, it is your posts here. If
like you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:13:53 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about motorgliders
leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport andBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
His future is certain. I’ll fly my Super Cub to Florida and launch him if necessary. Some of you motor glider guys are total dicks. The purist have each other’s backs.Fitch, please don't fold under the pressure, yet once again the truth hurts you guys with motors, come on, loosen up and enjoy the ride. Old Bob, The PuristHey PottyMouth Bobbie, I can launch from ANY airport, so my future is GREAT! Yours sounds uncertain, however, especially your mental health (or the lack of it).
On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 4:47:30 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The Purist "
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 3:30:32 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 5:15:46 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport and
I believe </b> depredates the sport and leaves such a unpalatable impression <b> for me</b>. Old Bob, The <b> Pawnee </b> Purist"Fixed it for you:
"Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, <b> I believe that </b> the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that <b>
you want pure flight without assistance, base jumping without a parachute is the only way - give it a try.It may be hard to believe at such a stratospheric ego level, but you are not the arbiter of soaring purity. Your self appointment to this roll is tiresome. If anything is leaving an unpalatable impression about soaring, it is your posts here. If
motorgliders like you have? No. And I don't understand why you have either. Please don't try to explain it though, we've seen enough.On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:13:53 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 7:25:01 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
How about a radical innovation, if you must have a category split? On here, divide discussion into the launch, and the rest of the flight
It is beyond absurd that so much of the protracted squabbling on here is devoted to the first one to six or seven minutes, and the quality of the rest is common to all of us
Oh sure, sometimes those motors bring people home instead of landing in a field. Flying non powered club gliders, I've landed out twice this year, not far away. And I've retrieved some friends. Do I have a chip on my shoulder about
leaves such a unpalatable impression. Old Bob, The PuristOn Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:57:01 UTC+1, [email protected] wrote:
Andy, thanks for the info on your point of view concerning Motorgliders, I can give you some help and we can start with the basics. Rule number 1, the Motorglider is not a pure form of flight, it is a convenience that depredates the sport andBumper, whether he realizes it or not has basically described why soaring should be divided into two categories, A-Purist Gliders, and, B-Powered Assisted Gliders.
His future is certain. I’ll fly my Super Cub to Florida and launch him if necessary. Some of you motor glider guys are total dicks. The purist have each other’s backs.Fitch, please don't fold under the pressure, yet once again the truth hurts you guys with motors, come on, loosen up and enjoy the ride. Old Bob, The PuristHey PottyMouth Bobbie, I can launch from ANY airport, so my future is GREAT! Yours sounds uncertain, however, especially your mental health (or the lack of it).
Charlie
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