https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old Bob, The
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:The Purist
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old Bob,
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:The Purist
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old Bob,
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Bob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal all
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.Tell me it ain't so!!! Charles, those guys lie! Old Bob, The Purist
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Bob, The Purist
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...
The PuristEric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old Bob,
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/27/2022 3:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Bob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12
months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather
all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with
plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters.
what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get
those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud
base and challenging areas.
I'm sure you know "how demanding Florida soaring can be", because you don't fly on those
demanding days, do you? I've seen your OLC postings for the last 5 years, and I didn't see
any that indicated the day was demanding. The fact that you have always landed back at
Hibiscus tells us you avoid the demanding days.
You don't need crazy high altitudes to fly for Florida state records, so wind up your
barograph and try some of them. Record flying is very different than opportunistic "fun
flying" (meaning no set task), and it's challenging and exciting. Be a nice change of pace
for you. Some clubs set up Club Records - talk it up at the next meeting, see if some of
the other pilots are looking for more challenges.
Yes, I see these guys out west doing good flights and yet they are 12 - 16 k AGL, give us
those altitudes and the game would change. I often see the pros from out west come to
Florida for the winter and their flights actually are disappointing, they must clam up
when they get low and rely on that motor to start. I think my next thread will be,
"Motorgliders Are For Pussy's " Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist -------------
If you are accustomed to western US desert soaring, the low AGL Florida flight altitudes
can be quite intimidating at first. It doesn't take more than a few flights to accept the
lower AGL flying, however, once the pilot realizes there are lots of airports, not single
mountain in way, sink that is mild and doesn't last for long, and if you land out, the
retrieves are shorter; after all, how far can you go when the lift is "modest"?
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Bob, The Purist
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise. Old
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud base andBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they steal
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/27/2022 4:05 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:Eric, you are correct about Florida conditions being intimidatingly surprising to the Canadians and the Western BIG DOG'S. The proof is in the results of their postings, you seldom see any of these guys doing triangles, which is the tell all of flights,
On 8/27/2022 3:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Bob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12
months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather
all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with
plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters.
what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get
those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloud
base and challenging areas.
I'm sure you know "how demanding Florida soaring can be", because you don't fly on those
demanding days, do you? I've seen your OLC postings for the last 5 years, and I didn't see
any that indicated the day was demanding. The fact that you have always landed back at
Hibiscus tells us you avoid the demanding days.
You don't need crazy high altitudes to fly for Florida state records, so wind up your
barograph and try some of them. Record flying is very different than opportunistic "fun
flying" (meaning no set task), and it's challenging and exciting. Be a nice change of pace
for you. Some clubs set up Club Records - talk it up at the next meeting, see if some of
the other pilots are looking for more challenges.
------------
Yes, I see these guys out west doing good flights and yet they are 12 - 16 k AGL, give us
those altitudes and the game would change. I often see the pros from out west come to
Florida for the winter and their flights actually are disappointing, they must clam up
when they get low and rely on that motor to start. I think my next thread will be,
"Motorgliders Are For Pussy's " Your friend, Old Bob, The Purist -------------
If you are accustomed to western US desert soaring, the low AGL Florida flight altitudes
can be quite intimidating at first. It doesn't take more than a few flights to accept the
lower AGL flying, however, once the pilot realizes there are lots of airports, not single
mountain in way, sink that is mild and doesn't last for long, and if you land out, the
retrieves are shorter; after all, how far can you go when the lift is "modest"?
Somehow, the quote level went missing on one of the paragraphs. I've added it in this
posting, between the dashed lines
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
So, apparently, "challenging" means "sucks."My definition of a flight that sucks would go something like this, 10K AGL and only scored 313 OLC points with a 46km triangle, sound familiar? Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloudBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
only scored 313 OLC points with a 46km triangle,Mocho, you sound like a liberal on a political campaign. Old Bob, The Purist
Actually, it was a 166 km triangle. OLC gives 30% of the distance as a bonus to the total distance. I realize that OLC scoring might be a mystery to you, as they are scored in kilometers instead of yards.
Mocho, you sound like a liberal on a political campaign. Old Bob, The Purist
You are a liz Cheney in disguise. OBTPMocho, you sound like a liberal on a political campaign. Old Bob, The PuristBelieve me, anybody that knows me would laugh like hell at that statement. I am a bit to the right of Attila the Hun.
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloudBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians from Quebec,I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
The 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and noneof that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
I've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of equal legs.
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of equal
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/28/2022 2:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of equal
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I like O&Rs because they can get me to less explored areas, which I really like, whileEric, your imagination is comical, O&R flights are much less challenging that the triangle, and yes when the clouds line up a monkey could follow the line and have a respectable flight. I must give you a geographical lesson and remind you that Florida is
triangles keep me closer to home. Sometimes, the weather just tees up the clouds in a
line, begging for a fast run along them - how can a pilot say no?
In some areas of the country, O&Rs are favored because the terrain (mountains, ridges)
lines up the lift. In flat areas, like Florida, the soaring is usually more uniform, and
triangles are as easier to do because it keeps the pilot closer to home. Even so, look at
the OLC for Ely, and you will see lots of triangles.
Isn't it a little boring, flying close to home all the time? What's the farthest you've
flown from Hibiscus? Is it too scary, being 92 NM from Hibiscus when you get to Clermont?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 6:03:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:and none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On 8/28/2022 2:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles
equal legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
is a peninsular, lakes, swamps and a big ole lake that most always has a big shadow on one side.I like O&Rs because they can get me to less explored areas, which I really like, while
triangles keep me closer to home. Sometimes, the weather just tees up the clouds in a
line, begging for a fast run along them - how can a pilot say no?
In some areas of the country, O&Rs are favored because the terrain (mountains, ridges)
lines up the lift. In flat areas, like Florida, the soaring is usually more uniform, and
triangles are as easier to do because it keeps the pilot closer to home. Even so, look at
the OLC for Ely, and you will see lots of triangles.
Isn't it a little boring, flying close to home all the time? What's the farthest you'veEric, your imagination is comical, O&R flights are much less challenging that the triangle, and yes when the clouds line up a monkey could follow the line and have a respectable flight. I must give you a geographical lesson and remind you that Florida
flown from Hibiscus? Is it too scary, being 92 NM from Hibiscus when you get to Clermont?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now if I was one of those motorglider types that had the advantage of a push to start button it might just make a difference in going deeper into a swamp area for a bigger triangle, but I am very happy with what I have and how I do with it. Yet again,I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying. Old Bob, The Purist
Yet again, I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying.
On 8/28/2022 5:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:Eric, you maintenance must be lacking if you had not done any PM in 27 years, that is not good, if something happened I would be at a loss with one less bantering foe.
Yet again, I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying.Please, Bob, give it up the brake problem I had. That master cylinder went 27 years before
it needed repair, and it's part of the glider, not the motor system. My ASW20C had the
same Cleveland brake and master cylinder.
So, you are concerned about not making it home if you flew an O&R to Clermont. Sounds like
you are avoiding the "demanding flying" you wrote about. Don't avoid talking about your
concerns: O&R are not for everyone because of the added stress of being farther from home,
and not being able to easily assess the weather for the return trip. Just don't make up
stuff about it being too easy. Given the geographical corner Hibiscus is in - only a 180
degree arc to fly in, at most - I'd expect pilots flying from there do O&Rs regularly.
It's not your preference, so be comfortable with that, let the rest of us fly our
preferred tasks without out the criticism.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 12:07:15 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:overrated, we certainly can do those especially in one of our seabreeze convergence days, but they leave much to the imagination of a challenging flight.
On 8/28/2022 5:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Yet again, I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying.Please, Bob, give it up the brake problem I had. That master cylinder went 27 years before
it needed repair, and it's part of the glider, not the motor system. My ASW20C had the
same Cleveland brake and master cylinder.
So, you are concerned about not making it home if you flew an O&R to Clermont. Sounds likeEric, you maintenance must be lacking if you had not done any PM in 27 years, that is not good, if something happened I would be at a loss with one less bantering foe.
you are avoiding the "demanding flying" you wrote about. Don't avoid talking about your
concerns: O&R are not for everyone because of the added stress of being farther from home,
and not being able to easily assess the weather for the return trip. Just don't make up
stuff about it being too easy. Given the geographical corner Hibiscus is in - only a 180
degree arc to fly in, at most - I'd expect pilots flying from there do O&Rs regularly.
It's not your preference, so be comfortable with that, let the rest of us fly our
preferred tasks without out the criticism.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I would venture to say that if you asked the Clermont boys they would tell you that Old Bob raises the bar for those guys, even one of my Canadian friends will tell you Old Bob is out there somewhere, keep your eyes open for him. O&R's are way
I hate to cut things short, but I am getting ready for the launch this morning and then I must head over to the gliderport and tow for three check rides, yes, three new Purist! Old Bob, The PuristMy apologies to the group for starting this thread … I should rightly be labeled an enabler.
My dear friend Fitch talks about those high mountains yet on the other side is a big valley with nice airports and you are still 16K AGL, certainly a huge advantage.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of equal
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 8/28/2022 2:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of equal
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I think I see the reason for the alleged lack of triangles out of Seminole: they are
bounded east and west by huge Class B airspaces, and multiple Restricted areas to the NE.
Fitting in even a small equilateral triangle of 240 km looks like it's a tough problem.
Hibiscus, on the other hand, doesn't have these airspace restrictions in it's SW quadrant,
making triangle flying much easier.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 1:00:01 PM UTC-4, Stéphane Vander Veken wrote:
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: theSVV, that is a very good point, but I am sure the MG guys will find some
article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized
propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized
propeller". Or do they think there are propellers actuated by human
power?
way to explain the technology of motor less driven propellers. Old Bob,
The Purist
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: the article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized propeller". Or do they think there are propellersactuated by human power?
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: the article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized propeller". Or do they think there are propellersactuated by human power?
Human powered flight is invariably pedal driven propellers, so yes they exist. I wonder what our resident Pawnee Purist would think about that? Pure? Impure? Of course, we know he prefers hot air and has a seemingly unlimited supply.actuated by human power?
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:00:01 AM UTC-7, Stéphane Vander Veken wrote:
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: the article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized propeller". Or do they think there are propellers
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 8:45:10 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:actuated by human power?
Human powered flight is invariably pedal driven propellers, so yes they exist. I wonder what our resident Pawnee Purist would think about that? Pure? Impure? Of course, we know he prefers hot air and has a seemingly unlimited supply.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:00:01 AM UTC-7, Stéphane Vander Veken wrote:
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: the article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized propeller". Or do they think there are propellers
At least Fitch and I agree on two things, cheating and human powered flight, yet he is a legend in his own mind with just three posted flights. Glad to see you posting again Fitch, hopefully you have returned from the cold waters of Alaska and Canada.Old Bob, The Purist
At least Fitch and I agree on two things, cheating and human powered flight, yet he is a legend in his own mind with just three posted flights. Glad to see you posting again Fitch, hopefully you have returned from the cold waters of Alaska and Canada.Old Bob, The Purist
Old Bob, The PuristAt least Fitch and I agree on two things, cheating and human powered flight, yet he is a legend in his own mind with just three posted flights. Glad to see you posting again Fitch, hopefully you have returned from the cold waters of Alaska and Canada.
A scream into the wind...extremely tired. It might pass awkwardly if we were all sitting around having too many beers and yucking it up, but comes off as super weird in a forum. The whole thing, purist vs. "everything else" (on any and every thread and topic) has been ridiculous
What is the purpose of a post like this, and all the rest of it? Some sort of weird fetish for insulting/"owning" the libs due to a very insecure and immature disposition apparently. Maybe it's just pure infantilism? Whatever it is, it's gotten
There are a lot of extremely smart and talented people in soaring, even in the US!, most of the time I'm the dummy on the ramp, yet this is tolerated here. Yeah it's just a forum, but pretty sure the vast majority on here are completely over it,passing on posting because some child is going to turn it into something about him. There's literally like 6 people only posting on here now, posting to each other essentially. News flash, that's why.
Now back to watching reruns of Top Gear, British version. The show makes my point here better than I ever could have. Intelligent banter and they don't seem to tolerate idiots and don't hesitate to disparage in order to correct stupid social behavior.THAT's entertainment, and high time for it here.
Old Bob, The PuristAt least Fitch and I agree on two things, cheating and human powered flight, yet he is a legend in his own mind with just three posted flights. Glad to see you posting again Fitch, hopefully you have returned from the cold waters of Alaska and Canada.
A scream into the wind...extremely tired. It might pass awkwardly if we were all sitting around having too many beers and yucking it up, but comes off as super weird in a forum. The whole thing, purist vs. "everything else" (on any and every thread and topic) has been ridiculous
What is the purpose of a post like this, and all the rest of it? Some sort of weird fetish for insulting/"owning" the libs due to a very insecure and immature disposition apparently. Maybe it's just pure infantilism? Whatever it is, it's gotten
There are a lot of extremely smart and talented people in soaring, even in the US!, most of the time I'm the dummy on the ramp, yet this is tolerated here. Yeah it's just a forum, but pretty sure the vast majority on here are completely over it,passing on posting because some child is going to turn it into something about him. There's literally like 6 people only posting on here now, posting to each other essentially. News flash, that's why.
Now back to watching reruns of Top Gear, British version. The show makes my point here better than I ever could have. Intelligent banter and they don't seem to tolerate idiots and don't hesitate to disparage in order to correct stupid social behavior.THAT's entertainment, and high time for it here.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 7:41:55 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:overrated, we certainly can do those especially in one of our seabreeze convergence days, but they leave much to the imagination of a challenging flight.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 12:07:15 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 5:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Yet again, I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying.Please, Bob, give it up the brake problem I had. That master cylinder went 27 years before
it needed repair, and it's part of the glider, not the motor system. My ASW20C had the
same Cleveland brake and master cylinder.
So, you are concerned about not making it home if you flew an O&R to Clermont. Sounds likeEric, you maintenance must be lacking if you had not done any PM in 27 years, that is not good, if something happened I would be at a loss with one less bantering foe.
you are avoiding the "demanding flying" you wrote about. Don't avoid talking about your
concerns: O&R are not for everyone because of the added stress of being farther from home,
and not being able to easily assess the weather for the return trip. Just don't make up
stuff about it being too easy. Given the geographical corner Hibiscus is in - only a 180
degree arc to fly in, at most - I'd expect pilots flying from there do O&Rs regularly.
It's not your preference, so be comfortable with that, let the rest of us fly our
preferred tasks without out the criticism.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I would venture to say that if you asked the Clermont boys they would tell you that Old Bob raises the bar for those guys, even one of my Canadian friends will tell you Old Bob is out there somewhere, keep your eyes open for him. O&R's are way
taxpayers are in fact Canadians!I hate to cut things short, but I am getting ready for the launch this morning and then I must head over to the gliderport and tow for three check rides, yes, three new Purist! Old Bob, The PuristMy apologies to the group for starting this thread … I should rightly be labeled an enabler.
Oh, and Bob … We Canadian’s will take your derogatory comments with a pinch of your salt shakers and suggest you read your own newspapers … Florida taxpayers may be paying for the toilet paper in those rest stops but many of those Florida
“Canada remains Florida’s No. 1 international patron of real estate by a considerable margin. Perennial snowbirds and other Canadians who own Florida property also add several billion dollars annually into the economy through property taxes. Overhalf a billion dollars in property taxes are added to local coffers from existing Canadian real estate holdings, and an additional $67 million a year from new property sales alone.
In the tourism realm, Canada is Florida’s No. 1 source of international tourism. Since 2010, Canadian tourists are spending 24% more time in Florida and are spending 53 percent more money in the state; an estimated $6.5 billion in 2016 alone.Canadian tourism has generated an estimated $686.5 million in related tax revenue, making Canadian tourism a slightly larger contributor to the Florida economy than Canadian real estate. Further, hundreds of Floridian businesses and thousands of
It is no exaggeration to say that Canada is an indispensable business partner for Florida. Given that nation’s significant contribution to trade, investment, tourism, and real estate — a relationship that creates over 600,000 jobs for Floridians.the rewards that Floridians have enjoyed and continue to do so. We cannot let that happen.”
It behooves Florida government (state and local) and the private sector to expand and deepen our commercial relations with Canada. For there are a number of Southeastern states that would love to lure away business from our northern neighbor and reap
South Florida Sun-SentinelStephen, you facts are misleading, must have come from CNN. Florida's biggest business partner is Brazil and the Caribbean, which amounts to 54% of our states foreign trade, Canada accounts for about 4.5 %. Please bring those salt and pepper shakers back
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Apr 26, 2019
To the Pawnee Purist, flights are only real once they are posted on OLC. For some of the rest of us, the flight itself is the experience, not the computer upload. To each his own.propellers actuated by human power?
On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 7:57:19 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 8:45:10 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Human powered flight is invariably pedal driven propellers, so yes they exist. I wonder what our resident Pawnee Purist would think about that? Pure? Impure? Of course, we know he prefers hot air and has a seemingly unlimited supply.
On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:00:01 AM UTC-7, Stéphane Vander Veken wrote:
In the hope of stopping this endless and senseless bickering: the article in question begins with: "his ASH glider with its motorized propeller". I wonder what would be the point of an "unmotorized propeller". Or do they think there are
Old Bob, The PuristAt least Fitch and I agree on two things, cheating and human powered flight, yet he is a legend in his own mind with just three posted flights. Glad to see you posting again Fitch, hopefully you have returned from the cold waters of Alaska and Canada.
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:38:45 PM UTC-4, bumper wrote:that did not happen. Instead of Lennie I was going to be Jose Cuervo, but that did not sound like the gentleman that I am. After all it took Charles the Canadian to do some investigative work and discover that I am not that bad of a guy after all.
Who would have ever imagined that Lennie the Lurker, with his miserable demeaning attitude, would get himself reincarnated, after 20 some years, to haunt RAS as Old B the P?
bumperBumper, you should be the director of the series, "Unsolved Mysteries", You certainly have a good future ahead. I was here 20 years ago looking at all the boring post and not contributing anything thinking that I could possibly learn something, but
Now the biggest differences that I have with all you motor glider guys and gals is that the Purist is the ultimate flight platform, no combustible engines, and certainly no battery fires that will take you out of the sky. May we all get back to ourroots and enjoy our purist flights.
I look forward to flying this coming spring here in Florida, I promise I will not make you guys look bad during the Seniors contest in 20023 like I did in 2020. For a beginner I am learning quick, R has guided me through the obstacles of glider flightand it has been much appreciated. Old Bob, The Purist
Who would have ever imagined that Lennie the Lurker, with his miserable demeaning attitude, would get himself reincarnated, after 20 some years, to haunt RAS as Old B the P?Bumper, you should be the director of the series, "Unsolved Mysteries", You certainly have a good future ahead. I was here 20 years ago looking at all the boring post and not contributing anything thinking that I could possibly learn something, but that
bumper
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 5:46:15 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:that did not happen. Instead of Lennie I was going to be Jose Cuervo, but that did not sound like the gentleman that I am. After all it took Charles the Canadian to do some investigative work and discover that I am not that bad of a guy after all.
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:38:45 PM UTC-4, bumper wrote:
Who would have ever imagined that Lennie the Lurker, with his miserable demeaning attitude, would get himself reincarnated, after 20 some years, to haunt RAS as Old B the P?
bumperBumper, you should be the director of the series, "Unsolved Mysteries", You certainly have a good future ahead. I was here 20 years ago looking at all the boring post and not contributing anything thinking that I could possibly learn something, but
roots and enjoy our purist flights.Now the biggest differences that I have with all you motor glider guys and gals is that the Purist is the ultimate flight platform, no combustible engines, and certainly no battery fires that will take you out of the sky. May we all get back to our
flight and it has been much appreciated. Old Bob, The PuristI look forward to flying this coming spring here in Florida, I promise I will not make you guys look bad during the Seniors contest in 20023 like I did in 2020. For a beginner I am learning quick, R has guided me through the obstacles of glider
On another note, I have made considerable advancements on RAS and even got people to identify themselves through their rogue RAS names, yes, Airport Bum became Jim, Herbert became Herbie, and 2G became Dickhead, a name that will last forever. This hasbeen a blast for me, humor as it is certainly supposed to be. Now it is almost time to get to the ranch and get ready for tomorrow, I plan of flying my glider tomorrow. Old Bob, The Purist
Old Bob, just remember on your Pawnee tow tomorrow that you are burning at least 3 gallons of 100LL to get in the air. I've hauled the boat and will be back to flying next week, each launch burning about 2 quarts (that'd be 1/6 as much if you are fromFlorida and math challenged). So, quite a bit purer than you, if fuel used per flight is the measure. Don't look for my flights on OLC, I won't be posting.
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 3:02:42 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:that did not happen. Instead of Lennie I was going to be Jose Cuervo, but that did not sound like the gentleman that I am. After all it took Charles the Canadian to do some investigative work and discover that I am not that bad of a guy after all.
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 5:46:15 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:38:45 PM UTC-4, bumper wrote:
Who would have ever imagined that Lennie the Lurker, with his miserable demeaning attitude, would get himself reincarnated, after 20 some years, to haunt RAS as Old B the P?
bumperBumper, you should be the director of the series, "Unsolved Mysteries", You certainly have a good future ahead. I was here 20 years ago looking at all the boring post and not contributing anything thinking that I could possibly learn something, but
roots and enjoy our purist flights.Now the biggest differences that I have with all you motor glider guys and gals is that the Purist is the ultimate flight platform, no combustible engines, and certainly no battery fires that will take you out of the sky. May we all get back to our
flight and it has been much appreciated. Old Bob, The PuristI look forward to flying this coming spring here in Florida, I promise I will not make you guys look bad during the Seniors contest in 20023 like I did in 2020. For a beginner I am learning quick, R has guided me through the obstacles of glider
has been a blast for me, humor as it is certainly supposed to be. Now it is almost time to get to the ranch and get ready for tomorrow, I plan of flying my glider tomorrow. Old Bob, The PuristOn another note, I have made considerable advancements on RAS and even got people to identify themselves through their rogue RAS names, yes, Airport Bum became Jim, Herbert became Herbie, and 2G became Dickhead, a name that will last forever. This
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloudBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and noneof that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
I will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:paradise. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
they steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a lowBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida,
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
God in heavens, it's so annoying to hear from this blow-hard every single day. A boring opinion after another every day, often several. He now made his crazy points hundreds of times. How many more do we have to endure? Lennie, I beg you, please comeI will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
And, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:17:12 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
paradise. Old Bob, The PuristAnd they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not fromEric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
they steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a lowBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida,
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
and none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles
was welcome with open arms. Upon his departure I told him to hell Herbert that Old Bob, The Purist sent his regards.I will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
Yes Charles those salt shakers are not welcome in my house, only Matusalem Rum and a few cold beers. Just today a guy from the Chicago glider club stopped at our club in Vero, I was busy towing and did not get much of a chance to speak with him, but heAnd, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
Charles, was that 500 diamond a out and return or a triangle, it does make a big difference? Charles, the tow in Vero is on me, and you have our invitation to come fly here at the best soaring location in Florida. Eileen and I will treat you kindly andyou will certainly have a few laughs. Now it puzzles me that a fellow Canadian would tell you that I am actually a good guy, what the hell, are Canadians lacking in good judgement?
I wanted to fly my glider today, but without another tow pilot it was impossible, found more satisfaction in getting our recent new glider pilots into the air than me ripping around the skies.can take a complimentary roll of TP, at this age we only use the soft stuff, always wise to be kind to the back side, Say You?
All kidding aside, you are certainly welcome here in Vero, please enjoy our hospitality and Eileen and I will roll out the red carpet for you, even have you here at our place for dinner, yet we will keep close tabs on the salt, pepper shakers and you
I hope you show up at the Seniors this coming March, I hope to fly a few days so that I once again can give the guys something to shake their heads about. Old Bob, The PuristSorry for the big fingers, I meant to tell Herbert that his friend OBTP said hello. OBTP
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:paradise. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
they steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a lowBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida,
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
Yes Charles those salt shakers are not welcome in my house, only Matusalem Rum and a few cold beers. Just today a guy from the Chicago glider club stopped at our club in Vero, I was busy towing and did not get much of a chance to speak with him, but heI will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
And, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:paradise. Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
they steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a lowBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida,
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
I will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
And, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:17:12 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
paradise. Old Bob, The PuristAnd they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not fromEric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
they steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a lowBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida,
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".That would be good...Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
and none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles
back.I will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
God in heavens, it's so annoying to hear from this blow-hard every single day. A boring opinion after another every day, often several. He now made his crazy points hundreds of times. How many more do we have to endure? Lennie, I beg you, please comeAnd, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:17:12 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloudBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...
none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
back.God in heavens, it's so annoying to hear from this blow-hard every single day. A boring opinion after another every day, often several. He now made his crazy points hundreds of times. How many more do we have to endure? Lennie, I beg you, please comeI will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
And, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
On 9/4/22 15:32, Herbert Kilian wrote:Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:17:12 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 3:38:44 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:03:07 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 6:14:30 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 5:16:19 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 3:52:04 p.m. UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 2:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/26/2022 12:36 AM, Me wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 3:49:25 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:And they'd be missing some wonderful flying! I've flown in the area, though not from
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 6:22:35 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://copanational.org/skys-the-limit-for-glider-pilot/?custnum=&CUSTNUM;&title=&*URLENCODE(&TITLE;)&utm_source=&PUB_CODE;&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&*URLENCODE(%7B%7B*JobID%7D%7D)&oly_enc_id=8686G7220556F6CLike someone once said, "I'd Rather Have A Sister In A Whorehouse Than A Brother In A Motorglider", how true it is! Old Bob, The Purist
"He admits there are purists out there who don’t believe an aircraft with an engine is a glider in any way, shape or form. “And what I say is they’re entitled to their opinion, but they wouldn’t be flying out of Penticton.”
Penticton; actually, the entire area from Penticton east to the Rockies and as far north
as Golden is gorgeous mountain flying. There are tows at Hope and Invermere, maybe Vernon.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications >>>>>>>>>> Eric, they only average on 2000 hours of sunlight day per year considering the day is 1/2 dark what is going on the rest of the 2380 daytime hours? I guess you are freezing your butt off while we are living in sunshine conservative paradise.
steal all the salt shakers from the restaurants and avoid leaving tips for waiters. what you have no idea of is how demanding Florida soaring can be. If we could get those crazy high altitudes we would set records, yet we do very well wit a low cloudBob, fly the area from Invermere so you can make an informed choice. You might discoverEric, I have no desire to fly anywhere near Penticton, for me it would be like spending the winter in Siberia . Yes, we go skiing as well, but on the water with plenty of sunshine, and we are well aware of the Canadians coming to Florida, they
that the soaring there is so fantastic, six months of it would be better than 12 months of
it in Florida. No need to freeze your butt off in the dark: do what the folks there do,
and go skiing! Or go south for the winter, as many Canadians do. You see them in Florida
in the winter, but they don't spend the summer there, do they? It's not great weather all
the time.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Quebec, would you please ask them to return all the salt , pepper shakers along with the toilet paper from the public rest rooms , it might just help us US tax payers who fund all the rest stops.Charles, I have no idea where you get your information from but I cannot believe that someone would make those observations of me and pass them along to a fellow Canadian, you should choose your friends more wisely. Now about those Canadians fromThe 'compliment' didn't include "a good sense of humour".I'm one of those Canadian snowbirds who flies a (should I shudder while admitting?) Discus2cT at Seminole.Discus 2cT ? do you ride a three wheel bicycle, eh?
Folks I've met who know you assure me that you're much less unpleasant in person.
That would be good...
none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles and
back.God in heavens, it's so annoying to hear from this blow-hard every single day. A boring opinion after another every day, often several. He now made his crazy points hundreds of times. How many more do we have to endure? Lennie, I beg you, please comeI will be glad to supply you with a tow, which will be complimentary and also the cold beverages after a great day of flying. Old Bob, The PuristActually, Bob the Puritan,
I flew my Diamond 500 in Florida, in March, many years ago. But next time I visit Vero, I may stop by your field to confirm tht you really are nicer in person.
And, at your age ("Old Bob'), you should stay away from the salt, no?
Looks like Daryl is still around, isn't that a good proxy for Lennie?Dave, there you go again, the problem that you and a few others have is that you are of the opinion that purist like myself and many others should censure what is discussed here on RAS. At one point you and a few others decided to develop a new RAS topic
The problem with Old Bob is he's looking for attention, and finds it primarily by insulting people. Unfortunately, some people, who really
really ought to know better, keep responding to him and egging him on.
If they'd just ignore him, he'd go away. I find kill files do miracles
in this regard.
-Dave
Old Bob, you say you are "very happy with what have and how I do with it" but you seem very unhappy with what everyone else has and what they do with it. From the endless and unremittingly boring and repetitive griping, whinging, and wheedling aboutwhat others have and do, combined with derision and obloquy, I'm doubting that you are happy. I'm beginning to think this is driven by envy. Come on, scratch that itch and get the motorglider you have always covertly wanted. If you do a few cross country
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:50:50 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:and none of that wagon train formation like they do in Clermont.
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 6:03:37 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 2:07 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 8/28/2022 12:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Charles, you have my personal invitation to come to Vero Beach and enjoy the wonderful flying conditions in the best place in Florida. Our conditions are a bit different from what you have experienced in the past from Florida, we fly triangles
equal legs. Old Bob, The PuristI've wondered about all those triangles: Why not the occasional O&R to Clermont, Tampa,Eric, out and returns are like kissing your sister, you could do better or you could do worse! Out and returns are favored among the Western Big Dogs, a triangle would throw most of them for a loop. The most difficult is the triangle mainly of
Fort Meyers, or to the south? I know triangles are favored by the cautious because they
keep the pilot nearer home, but surely there are days good enough for a 360 km (202,537
yards) out and return?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Florida is a peninsular, lakes, swamps and a big ole lake that most always has a big shadow on one side.I like O&Rs because they can get me to less explored areas, which I really like, while
triangles keep me closer to home. Sometimes, the weather just tees up the clouds in a
line, begging for a fast run along them - how can a pilot say no?
In some areas of the country, O&Rs are favored because the terrain (mountains, ridges)
lines up the lift. In flat areas, like Florida, the soaring is usually more uniform, and
triangles are as easier to do because it keeps the pilot closer to home. Even so, look at
the OLC for Ely, and you will see lots of triangles.
Isn't it a little boring, flying close to home all the time? What's the farthest you'veEric, your imagination is comical, O&R flights are much less challenging that the triangle, and yes when the clouds line up a monkey could follow the line and have a respectable flight. I must give you a geographical lesson and remind you that
flown from Hibiscus? Is it too scary, being 92 NM from Hibiscus when you get to Clermont?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I would be like you and working on it all the time instead of flying. Old Bob, The PuristNow if I was one of those motorglider types that had the advantage of a push to start button it might just make a difference in going deeper into a swamp area for a bigger triangle, but I am very happy with what I have and how I do with it. Yet again,
I wanted to fly my glider today, but without another tow pilot it was impossible, ....
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:37:36 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:Fitch, the sacrifice that I made was certainly worth it, why, because I was able to tow new glider pilots into the air and therefore increase the population of new purist glider pilots. Motorglider pilots are selfish self centered individuals that rarely
I wanted to fly my glider today, but without another tow pilot it was impossible, ....
A sacrifice you needn't have made, merely by swallowing your arcane dogma and pushing the start button on your brand new motorglider.....
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 11:00:29 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:rarely promote the sport of soaring through instructing or making a ship available for instruction, how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction??? The paradigm of the narcistic motorglider pilot is well documented, they usually break in
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:37:36 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
I wanted to fly my glider today, but without another tow pilot it was impossible, ....
A sacrifice you needn't have made, merely by swallowing your arcane dogma and pushing the start button on your brand new motorglider.....Fitch, the sacrifice that I made was certainly worth it, why, because I was able to tow new glider pilots into the air and therefore increase the population of new purist glider pilots. Motorglider pilots are selfish self centered individuals that
Now even Wings and Wheels has this disclaimer out there about the safety of motorgliders! Ok Fitch, glad that you are back in the game, I Guess Herbie and Kinsell have bowed out, they could be back over on RAS Prime. Had not much luck fishing yesterday,my grouper is now costing about 15K per pound, should I have bought a new glider instead? Old Bob, The Purist
Once again, you descend into the depths of hyperbole and obloquy. You could easily have done all your tows, then climbed in the motorglider and had a nice flight (or as nice as you can have in that flat swamp). Even taken a student if you wished. Thereare a number of two place trainer self launchers, you wouldn't train new pilots in an Arcus anymore than you would give them their first solo in a V3.
The irony of Old Bob, of all people, complaining about not flying because he couldn't find a tow is profound.rarely promote the sport of soaring through instructing or making a ship available for instruction, how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction??? The paradigm of the narcistic motorglider pilot is well documented, they usually break in
Some other advice: buy your fish in the market, you'll save thousands. Also in Florida you should be catching and eating Lion fish, for the Environment.
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 11:58:17 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 11:00:29 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 2:37:36 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
I wanted to fly my glider today, but without another tow pilot it was impossible, ....
A sacrifice you needn't have made, merely by swallowing your arcane dogma and pushing the start button on your brand new motorglider.....Fitch, the sacrifice that I made was certainly worth it, why, because I was able to tow new glider pilots into the air and therefore increase the population of new purist glider pilots. Motorglider pilots are selfish self centered individuals that
yesterday, my grouper is now costing about 15K per pound, should I have bought a new glider instead? Old Bob, The PuristNow even Wings and Wheels has this disclaimer out there about the safety of motorgliders! Ok Fitch, glad that you are back in the game, I Guess Herbie and Kinsell have bowed out, they could be back over on RAS Prime. Had not much luck fishing
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???
On 9/8/2022 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???In the US, I think zero; in Europe and elsewhere, no idea.
But, do you really think an Arcus (M or not) is suitable for _primary_ instruction? It's
great for mentoring solo/licensed pilots in XC, but _primary_ instruction? Do you know
what the wing loading on a Arcus M is with two people? An ASK21 (Mi or not) is much more
suitable.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:34:17 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:disagreeable people like PottyMouth Bobbie). The downside is the travel costs incurred to drive (and stay) to a gliderport. In my case, it would now be 2 hours each way. And you may not find a tow pilot or towplane available when you get there, so the
On 9/8/2022 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???In the US, I think zero; in Europe and elsewhere, no idea.
But, do you really think an Arcus (M or not) is suitable for _primary_ instruction? It'sThe one advantage of a gravity (pure) glider is that you can buy older ones fairly cheaply. Even if you are paying $100 for a tow your flying costs will be far cheaper than a modern motorglider w/o the engine maintenance problems (which you leave to
great for mentoring solo/licensed pilots in XC, but _primary_ instruction? Do you know
what the wing loading on a Arcus M is with two people? An ASK21 (Mi or not) is much more
suitable.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
By comparison, I have my 31Mi tied down (with covers) at the Richland airport, about a 10 min drive from my home. The older you get the more valuable your time becomes.Hey DH, you probably don't have much time left, so don't tie it down. Old Bob, The Purist
Tom
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:45:39 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:disagreeable people like PottyMouth Bobbie). The downside is the travel costs incurred to drive (and stay) to a gliderport. In my case, it would now be 2 hours each way. And you may not find a tow pilot or towplane available when you get there, so the
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:34:17 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/8/2022 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???In the US, I think zero; in Europe and elsewhere, no idea.
But, do you really think an Arcus (M or not) is suitable for _primary_ instruction? It'sThe one advantage of a gravity (pure) glider is that you can buy older ones fairly cheaply. Even if you are paying $100 for a tow your flying costs will be far cheaper than a modern motorglider w/o the engine maintenance problems (which you leave to
great for mentoring solo/licensed pilots in XC, but _primary_ instruction? Do you know
what the wing loading on a Arcus M is with two people? An ASK21 (Mi or not) is much more
suitable.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
By comparison, I have my 31Mi tied down (with covers) at the Richland airport, about a 10 min drive from my home. The older you get the more valuable your time becomes.
TomHey DH, you probably don't have much time left, so don't tie it down. Old Bob, The Purist
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:to disagreeable people like PottyMouth Bobbie). The downside is the travel costs incurred to drive (and stay) to a gliderport. In my case, it would now be 2 hours each way. And you may not find a tow pilot or towplane available when you get there, so the
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:45:39 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:34:17 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/8/2022 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???In the US, I think zero; in Europe and elsewhere, no idea.
But, do you really think an Arcus (M or not) is suitable for _primary_ instruction? It'sThe one advantage of a gravity (pure) glider is that you can buy older ones fairly cheaply. Even if you are paying $100 for a tow your flying costs will be far cheaper than a modern motorglider w/o the engine maintenance problems (which you leave
great for mentoring solo/licensed pilots in XC, but _primary_ instruction? Do you know
what the wing loading on a Arcus M is with two people? An ASK21 (Mi or not) is much more
suitable.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
DH, we are here to stay! Sorry I cannot say the same for you! I take that back, we are not going to miss you. Old Bob, The PuristBy comparison, I have my 31Mi tied down (with covers) at the Richland airport, about a 10 min drive from my home. The older you get the more valuable your time becomes.
Hey PottyMouth Bobbie, when will you get kicked out of New Whatever?TomHey DH, you probably don't have much time left, so don't tie it down. Old Bob, The Purist
Tom
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:to disagreeable people like PottyMouth Bobbie). The downside is the travel costs incurred to drive (and stay) to a gliderport. In my case, it would now be 2 hours each way. And you may not find a tow pilot or towplane available when you get there, so the
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:45:39 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 2:34:17 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 9/8/2022 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
how many Arcus motorgliders are used for primary instruction???In the US, I think zero; in Europe and elsewhere, no idea.
But, do you really think an Arcus (M or not) is suitable for _primary_ instruction? It'sThe one advantage of a gravity (pure) glider is that you can buy older ones fairly cheaply. Even if you are paying $100 for a tow your flying costs will be far cheaper than a modern motorglider w/o the engine maintenance problems (which you leave
great for mentoring solo/licensed pilots in XC, but _primary_ instruction? Do you know
what the wing loading on a Arcus M is with two people? An ASK21 (Mi or not) is much more
suitable.
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Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
By comparison, I have my 31Mi tied down (with covers) at the Richland airport, about a 10 min drive from my home. The older you get the more valuable your time becomes.
Hey PottyMouth Bobbie, when will you get kicked out of New Whatever?TomHey DH, you probably don't have much time left, so don't tie it down. Old Bob, The Purist
TomDH, we are here to stay! Sorry I cannot say the same for you! I take that back, we are not going to miss you. Old Bob, The Purist
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