I'm purchasing a ASH-31Mi and furiously trying to absorb as much as I can before visiting Williams for training and MG endorsement. I heard there was a -26/31 google group but the GG "ASH-26E" link didn't work for me. Is there a relevant owners groupfor AS MG's?
I got through the POH and starting in now on Eric's great guide. Hoping to find a source to tap into -26/31 owner insights.John,
thx, JJ
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:38:14 AM UTC-7, John Johnson wrote:for AS MG's?
I'm purchasing a ASH-31Mi and furiously trying to absorb as much as I can before visiting Williams for training and MG endorsement. I heard there was a -26/31 google group but the GG "ASH-26E" link didn't work for me. Is there a relevant owners group
Please contact them, at the Motorglider hang out. Old Bob, The PuristI got through the POH and starting in now on Eric's great guide. Hoping to find a source to tap into -26/31 owner insights.
thx, JJJohn,
Contact Tom Serkowski (or Eric Greenwell?) for access to the Schleicher motorglider google group.
https://groups.google.com/g/ash-26e
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:38:14 AM UTC-7, John Johnson wrote:for AS MG's?
I'm purchasing a ASH-31Mi and furiously trying to absorb as much as I can before visiting Williams for training and MG endorsement. I heard there was a -26/31 google group but the GG "ASH-26E" link didn't work for me. Is there a relevant owners group
Tom got me signed up - thanks!I got through the POH and starting in now on Eric's great guide. Hoping to find a source to tap into -26/31 owner insights.
thx, JJJohn,
Contact Tom Serkowski (or Eric Greenwell?) for access to the Schleicher motorglider google group.
https://groups.google.com/g/ash-26e
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:04:56 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:group for AS MG's?
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:38:14 AM UTC-7, John Johnson wrote:
I'm purchasing a ASH-31Mi and furiously trying to absorb as much as I can before visiting Williams for training and MG endorsement. I heard there was a -26/31 google group but the GG "ASH-26E" link didn't work for me. Is there a relevant owners
I got through the POH and starting in now on Eric's great guide. Hoping to find a source to tap into -26/31 owner insights.
Please contact them, at the Motorglider hang out. Old Bob, The Puristthx, JJJohn,
Contact Tom Serkowski (or Eric Greenwell?) for access to the Schleicher motorglider google group.
https://groups.google.com/g/ash-26e
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:group for AS MG's?
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 4:04:56 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 11:38:14 AM UTC-7, John Johnson wrote:
I'm purchasing a ASH-31Mi and furiously trying to absorb as much as I can before visiting Williams for training and MG endorsement. I heard there was a -26/31 google group but the GG "ASH-26E" link didn't work for me. Is there a relevant owners
In fact, I even scoffed at launching with a truck-mounted payout winch (and don't get me started with ultralight tug aerotows). I was of the view that you had to pay your dues by 4-wheeling up a mountain in the back of an over-loaded pickup bed hangingI got through the POH and starting in now on Eric's great guide. Hoping to find a source to tap into -26/31 owner insights.
So Bob, I've only been at this gliding thing a short while and have read your purist posts with a mixture of amusement and sympathetic support. In my hang gliding days, I was that hard core purist. I could not stand ultralights (still don't like them).Please contact them, at the Motorglider hang out. Old Bob, The Puristthx, JJJohn,
Contact Tom Serkowski (or Eric Greenwell?) for access to the Schleicher motorglider google group.
https://groups.google.com/g/ash-26e
So, this -31Mi was a dang difficult decision for me and I still harbor concerns that it was a good decision. For goodness sakes - I just realized I now need to buy a noise blocking headset - WHAT? Not only have I abandoned any purist pretense, but nowI find myself in the indefensible position of defending MG's against claims of unfair advantage. I've gone to the dark side and soon my hands will smell like oil and avgas. May God have mercy on my soul.
JJJJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from Penn, just ain't what it should be! You like myself, have been doing this gig for quiet some time, contrary to Uncle Tom's claim that
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:Eric, just the other day I opened a trailer with a very nice motorglider in it, I was almost taken down by the fumes, it smelled like an oil tanker from Kuwait. I know that you MG guys are in denial, but really, glad someone did not strike a match it
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:04:24 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:would have blown up like the Hoover Dam.
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:Eric, just the other day I opened a trailer with a very nice motorglider in it, I was almost taken down by the fumes, it smelled like an oil tanker from Kuwait. I know that you MG guys are in denial, but really, glad someone did not strike a match it
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On another note I have been given some top secret information about one of our PURIST guys from out west going over to the dark side, I certainly hope that my info is not validated. OBTP
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're at it,
,Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for independence.
If you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
Tom
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're at it,
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
,Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for independence.
If you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.Ok dumbass, my Pawnee is not 230 hp, once again you do not know what you are talking about. That Pawnee, AKA, Towpecker, makes many more people happier than you do! The new strip is going just fine, I put my money where my mouth is, no wonder Seatac
Tom
I use rubber gloves when fueling my Stemme and my gyro. No gas smell onhow is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
my hands, just from my shirt and pants from all the spillage...
Dan
5J
On 7/19/22 15:59, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're at it,
independence. Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.,
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for
I really like to get things rolling here again, it has been so boring with the sailplanes on Mars post. What we need is Fitch back, I will forgive him on the 60 day go straight to jail sentence, kind of like a directed verdict from the bench! Come onIf you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
Tom
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:59:34 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're at it,
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
independence. Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.,
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for
doesn't want you there , your reputation precedes your appearance. OBTPIf you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
TomOk dumbass, my Pawnee is not 230 hp, once again you do not know what you are talking about. That Pawnee, AKA, Towpecker, makes many more people happier than you do! The new strip is going just fine, I put my money where my mouth is, no wonder Seatac
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from Penn
A purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ these days).
JJ
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:We must jive JJ a break on hitching a ride to the top of the mountain, with that in mind it gave him much more flying time. I do have respect for the hang glider guy and gals, when they come on over to the pure glider they seem to do very well, they do
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ these days).
JJA purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:57:46 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:.
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ these days)
know something about thermaling and finding lift. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in south Florida and they do use a ultralight tug for towing. They have some type of camp or commune up near Seminole Lake, I have spotted them on a couple of flightsWe must jive JJ a break on hitching a ride to the top of the mountain, with that in mind it gave him much more flying time. I do have respect for the hang glider guy and gals, when they come on over to the pure glider they seem to do very well, they doJJA purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.
I never miss the opportunity to poke the MG owners a bit, some of them have very thin skin and go ballistic at the remarks, while the good guys just laugh and throw a few curveballs back. Now about having a beer with JJ, that would be a great event,next time I am in AZ or you in Fl, we must make that happen. OBTP
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:14:07 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:days).
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:57:46 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ these
do know something about thermaling and finding lift. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in south Florida and they do use a ultralight tug for towing. They have some type of camp or commune up near Seminole Lake, I have spotted them on a couple ofWe must jive JJ a break on hitching a ride to the top of the mountain, with that in mind it gave him much more flying time. I do have respect for the hang glider guy and gals, when they come on over to the pure glider they seem to do very well, theyJJA purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.
next time I am in AZ or you in Fl, we must make that happen. OBTPI never miss the opportunity to poke the MG owners a bit, some of them have very thin skin and go ballistic at the remarks, while the good guys just laugh and throw a few curveballs back. Now about having a beer with JJ, that would be a great event,
Hey Bob, the NOT so purist, when you use a fucking engine it doesn't matter WHERE the engine is! Now, try getting your ASW24 airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold.Rare - but not impossible.
Tom
... airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold. << Couldn't agree more! This is a sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbRAqPxd49E
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:27:00 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:days).
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:14:07 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:57:46 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ these
they do know something about thermaling and finding lift. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in south Florida and they do use a ultralight tug for towing. They have some type of camp or commune up near Seminole Lake, I have spotted them on a couple ofWe must jive JJ a break on hitching a ride to the top of the mountain, with that in mind it gave him much more flying time. I do have respect for the hang glider guy and gals, when they come on over to the pure glider they seem to do very well,JJA purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.
next time I am in AZ or you in Fl, we must make that happen. OBTPI never miss the opportunity to poke the MG owners a bit, some of them have very thin skin and go ballistic at the remarks, while the good guys just laugh and throw a few curveballs back. Now about having a beer with JJ, that would be a great event,
Not possible for Florida, though I recall a crazy discussion about building a soaring ridge across part of the UK. Maybe it was while they were looking for places to put the diggings from the chunnel.Hey Bob, the NOT so purist, when you use a fucking engine it doesn't matter WHERE the engine is! Now, try getting your ASW24 airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold.
TomCouldn't agree more! This is a sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbRAqPxd49E
... airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold. <<
Rare - but not impossible.
Uli
'AS'
On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 6:49:26 AM UTC-6, AS wrote:these days).
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 10:27:00 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:14:07 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:57:46 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 10:01:49 PM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:
JJ, please don't take this the wrong way, but the motorglider pilot kinds of reminds me of the transsexual swimmer from PennI can't take that the wrong way - its damn funny and kinda fits :-) I think I'd enjoy having a beer or 3 with you, Bob.
I'll never argue against a rigorous purist vs MG debate. I see both sides and, frankly learned a lot from the sometimes heated arguments I've read here. I guess that makes me an independent (which is a tough path for a conservative in AZ
they do know something about thermaling and finding lift. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in south Florida and they do use a ultralight tug for towing. They have some type of camp or commune up near Seminole Lake, I have spotted them on a couple ofWe must jive JJ a break on hitching a ride to the top of the mountain, with that in mind it gave him much more flying time. I do have respect for the hang glider guy and gals, when they come on over to the pure glider they seem to do very well,JJA purist would have hiked up that mountain, and not taken the ride in the bed of the pickup. In buying the MG you were simply coming out of the closet.
event, next time I am in AZ or you in Fl, we must make that happen. OBTPI never miss the opportunity to poke the MG owners a bit, some of them have very thin skin and go ballistic at the remarks, while the good guys just laugh and throw a few curveballs back. Now about having a beer with JJ, that would be a great
Hey Bob, the NOT so purist, when you use a fucking engine it doesn't matter WHERE the engine is! Now, try getting your ASW24 airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold.
TomCouldn't agree more! This is a sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbRAqPxd49E
... airborne WITHOUT an engine - that would truly be a sight to behold. <<
Rare - but not impossible.
UliNot possible for Florida, though I recall a crazy discussion about building a soaring ridge across part of the UK. Maybe it was while they were looking for places to put the diggings from the chunnel.
'AS'
Several years ago, Mark Z. almost had Six Flags Houston set to offer winch launches with a Duo Discus (?) as a ride concession. That's what Marc R. and Bob K. had plans to do along I-80 in California. Both might have attracted attention to soaring.
The previews of MI4 (July 2023) have glider scenes.
It would be nice to get some media coverage (beyond social media) for the WGC2024 in Uvalde.
Frank Whiteley
There was an 'April-fools Day' article in a German aviation magazine decades ago about a proposed XC-soaring park in Saudi-Arabia. An aviation enthusiastic Sheik was said to plan a gas pipeline with remote controlled burners to create lift when needed... though I recall a crazy discussion about building a soaring ridge across part of the UK. <<
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:30:06 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:it, how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
I use rubber gloves when fueling my Stemme and my gyro. No gas smell on
my hands, just from my shirt and pants from all the spillage...
Dan
5J
On 7/19/22 15:59, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're at
independence. Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.,
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for
guys, "Let's Get Ready To Rumble"! Old Bob, THE PURIST!If you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
I really like to get things rolling here again, it has been so boring with the sailplanes on Mars post. What we need is Fitch back, I will forgive him on the 60 day go straight to jail sentence, kind of like a directed verdict from the bench! Come onTom
Well, Bob, you got your wish! I happen to be anchored this evening within range of a WiFi spot run by the NPS here in Glacier Bay.repeatedly offering such advice though. There is a big difference between hang gliders and ultralights (and yes, I flew hang gliders for many years in the early days of them) - it is not at all comparable to Pawnee launched gliders vs self launched. The
JJ - don't pay any attention to Old Bob. He has admitted to no cross country experience in motorgliders, so his opinion is as well informed as asking a 12 year old virgin for advice in bed with Marilyn Monroe. Doesn't stop him from loudly and
After flying a couple of seasons with your 31, you will have to come back here and tell us how your flying has changed. I'll wager it will be in none of the "conclusions" that Bob is writing in his new book.at it, how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:35:34 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:30:06 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
I use rubber gloves when fueling my Stemme and my gyro. No gas smell on my hands, just from my shirt and pants from all the spillage...
Dan
5J
On 7/19/22 15:59, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're
independence. Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.,
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for
guys, "Let's Get Ready To Rumble"! Old Bob, THE PURIST!If you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
I really like to get things rolling here again, it has been so boring with the sailplanes on Mars post. What we need is Fitch back, I will forgive him on the 60 day go straight to jail sentence, kind of like a directed verdict from the bench! Come onTom
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:05:43 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:repeatedly offering such advice though. There is a big difference between hang gliders and ultralights (and yes, I flew hang gliders for many years in the early days of them) - it is not at all comparable to Pawnee launched gliders vs self launched. The
Well, Bob, you got your wish! I happen to be anchored this evening within range of a WiFi spot run by the NPS here in Glacier Bay.
JJ - don't pay any attention to Old Bob. He has admitted to no cross country experience in motorgliders, so his opinion is as well informed as asking a 12 year old virgin for advice in bed with Marilyn Monroe. Doesn't stop him from loudly and
at it, how is the search for a new airstrip going? I can take my 31Mi to ANY public use airport and fly (within reason - Seatac would not want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there).After flying a couple of seasons with your 31, you will have to come back here and tell us how your flying has changed. I'll wager it will be in none of the "conclusions" that Bob is writing in his new book.
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:35:34 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:30:06 PM UTC-4, Dan Marotta wrote:
I use rubber gloves when fueling my Stemme and my gyro. No gas smell on
my hands, just from my shirt and pants from all the spillage...
Dan
5J
On 7/19/22 15:59, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 2:04:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/19/2022 1:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I certainly understand your reluctance to cross over the line, the smell of oil and avgas is really a nasty combination. Bose makes a great headset, get one quick and get some Febreeze air freshener for the motorglider.Ahh, you are just making that up! Your nose is so full of oil and avgas from flying tow
planes, you'd never be able to smell the few molecules that might show up in a motorglider
cockpit. The engine and fuel are _behind_ the pilot on a motorglider, so the only gas odor
comes from the pilot (depending on his lunch).
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
The greatest hypocrisy of all comes from someone who calls himself a "purist" as he cranks up his 230hp Pawnee. At sea level it only takes about a half gallon of gas per launch in my 31Mi - how much do you burn in that Pawnee? And, while you're
independence. Refueling is a dream if you got the automatic refueling pump option.,
John, you made an excellent choice in buying the 31Mi, and will enjoy the hell out of it. My only complaint is that I can't seem to help but to get some oil on my hands when refilling the oil reservoir. But that is a tiny price to pay for
on guys, "Let's Get Ready To Rumble"! Old Bob, THE PURIST!If you haven't purchased your ground support equipment yet contact me privately for some advice.
I really like to get things rolling here again, it has been so boring with the sailplanes on Mars post. What we need is Fitch back, I will forgive him on the 60 day go straight to jail sentence, kind of like a directed verdict from the bench! ComeTom
Fitch, I was beginning to get worried about you, your absence, had me on pins and needles! Please refrain from dumping your black water into the bay, I certainly know how nasty you motorglider guys are and please don't kill the whales. Now there you gotrying to poison JJ about us dedicated PURIST, he seems to have a better understanding of the purist aspect than most.
Anyway, it is good to see you making a post and I am relieved that you are safe and sound. I guess you will be heading back to that liberal infested area of Washington soon, safe travels and try not to trick your logger on the way home. Your favoriteadversary, Old Bob, The Purist.
adversary, Old Bob, The Purist.
Anyway, it is good to see you making a post and I am relieved that you are safe and sound. I guess you will be heading back to that liberal infested area of Washington soon, safe travels and try not to trick your logger on the way home. Your favorite
LOL! Notice that Old Bob The Hypocrite doesn't refute a single one of Jon's points; he either nitpicks (his Pawnee is 235hp instead 230) or just resorts to personal attacks. Hey Bobby, have you EVER landed your 24 out? If so, how FAR from the airportwas it? I don't expect that you will answer these questions, however.
On 7/22/2022 8:08 AM, 2G wrote:favorite adversary, Old Bob, The Purist.
Anyway, it is good to see you making a post and I am relieved that you are safe and sound. I guess you will be heading back to that liberal infested area of Washington soon, safe travels and try not to trick your logger on the way home. Your
was it? I don't expect that you will answer these questions, however.LOL! Notice that Old Bob The Hypocrite doesn't refute a single one of Jon's points; he either nitpicks (his Pawnee is 235hp instead 230) or just resorts to personal attacks. Hey Bobby, have you EVER landed your 24 out? If so, how FAR from the airport
Bob is a puzzle, for sure. He owns a very capable towplane, he knows several towpilotsEric, I wish that I knew more tow pilots that could get me in the air, this old buzzard does way too much towing and at my age I would rather be flying my glider, but I end up towing Eileen most of the time. contrary to your beliefs I have landed out
that can fly it, so he could be reliably retrieved from any airport in the state. And yet,
he chooses to fly so cautiously, he always lands back at the departure airport. Usually,
pilots with a good retrieve system will "stretch their wings" ocasionally: flying farther
or longer, heading into an area where the soaring may not as reliable, or staying with the
good soaring even as the path home begins to stablize. But that's not Bob. Surely, even a
purist remains pure if they land somewhere beside the start?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:many times, once in a prison baseball yard, many more times with the greatest landout pilot of all time, E9, we both landed out in places within the Everglades that would really amaze you. Cautiously is not in my vocabulary, I do pretty dang good in this
On 7/22/2022 8:08 AM, 2G wrote:
Eric, I wish that I knew more tow pilots that could get me in the air, this old buzzard does way too much towing and at my age I would rather be flying my glider, but I end up towing Eileen most of the time. contrary to your beliefs I have landed out
Now I had my purist investigator at Ely and upon his return I asked him if he had met you and he told me that you unlike Richard Noggin was a very nice gentleman but you only flew once and spent the rest of the event working on your motorglider, whatsay you? I don't have that problem, I do not have that gasoline smelling problem with my glider and hopefully my new one will not have that either. Eric, please send me another tow pilot, Eileen can fly the King Air350, but not the Pawnee.
I will extend the invitation to you that I have extended to many others, come on down to Vero Beach, you can even stay at the ranch, FD25, enjoy our hospitality, learn something about flying gliders and I will even have you watch Fox News with me at9pm so that you can become Fair, Balance and Unafraid! Old Bob, The Purist
I'd love to fly with you in Florida, but it's a daunting 3700 miles from Richland to you,
and at $5/gallon for the motorhome, about $2100 just for gas - one way. We have done it
before, so maybe next year...
On 7/22/2022 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:many times, once in a prison baseball yard, many more times with the greatest landout pilot of all time, E9, we both landed out in places within the Everglades that would really amaze you. Cautiously is not in my vocabulary, I do pretty dang good in this
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 8:08 AM, 2G wrote:
Eric, I wish that I knew more tow pilots that could get me in the air, this old buzzard does way too much towing and at my age I would rather be flying my glider, but I end up towing Eileen most of the time. contrary to your beliefs I have landed out
say you? I don't have that problem, I do not have that gasoline smelling problem with my glider and hopefully my new one will not have that either. Eric, please send me another tow pilot, Eileen can fly the King Air350, but not the Pawnee.Now I had my purist investigator at Ely and upon his return I asked him if he had met you and he told me that you unlike Richard Noggin was a very nice gentleman but you only flew once and spent the rest of the event working on your motorglider, what
9pm so that you can become Fair, Balance and Unafraid! Old Bob, The PuristI will extend the invitation to you that I have extended to many others, come on down to Vero Beach, you can even stay at the ranch, FD25, enjoy our hospitality, learn something about flying gliders and I will even have you watch Fox News with me at
All those landouts are many years in the past, and that's part of the puzzle, because youYou and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why worry about
used have "purist" adventures. For years now (at least 5), though, you've always landed
back at Hibiscus, which seems contrary to your claim to be a "purist". You tell us how the
purist must accept the uncertainty of soaring flight, and that's what sets him apart from
the motorglider pilots, and makes him a better pilot and a better person. And yet, it's
obvious there is no uncertainty in the outcome of your "pure" flying, as you get home
every time (74+ flights in the last 5 years), just like a motorglider pilot.
I flew two flights at Ely, but had to stop flying when my wheel brake became too weak to
be safe. I first noticed a minor reduction in braking power during a test flight before
going to Parowan. It slowly worsened at Parowan and Ely, despite bleeding it at both
places, so I took it to Schaefer Aviation at Williams. Danny found fine grit in the
caliper and the master cylinder, plus a damaged O-ring in each unit. A rebuild and new
fluid restored it. If it had been a motor problem, I could've taken tows, but there is no
substitute for a wheel brake.
I'd love to fly with you in Florida, but it's a daunting 3700 miles from Richland to you,
and at $5/gallon for the motorhome, about $2100 just for gas - one way. We have done it
before, so maybe next year...
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why worryabout the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.
Well, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob, ThePurist
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why worry
PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob, The
I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended atEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning to
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, and
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at
one airport, and landing at a different one.
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why worry
The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob,
the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning to
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
I've done that three times: Twice with 1,000' rope ground launches and once with a
self-launcher. Each involved boxing up the glider at the end of the day and all were
great fun (except when my partner crashed following one ground launch).
I thermaled over the meteor crater in Arizona and landed at Winslow, though I did not
"stand on the corner". I did that on a different adventure with Tom Bjork (RIP). That
was not a soaring story but still great fun...
Dan
5J
the same point.Eric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning to
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, and
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/22/2022 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:to the same point.
Eric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, and
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.It seems like every time you pontificate on motorgliders, you demonstrate your
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
unfamiliarity with them. My ASH26E keeps moving, even at idle, so a brake is required to
taxi, and to hold it during the ignition check. If there is wind, there is always the
chance the wing will flip in the other direction while taxiing, requiring rapid and firm
braking to keep the newly "down" wing from hitting something (soft dirt, a taxiway sign),
damaging the wing or turning the glider off the taxiway.
Burgers on the grill is fine for a weekend, but that would become really tiresome for a 12
day camp like the ASA Parowan motorglider event. After a few days, people would be leaving
the airport to go to restaurants for a change, or cook dinner in their motorhome, and the
camaraderie would suffer. Having one of the local restaurants bring food to a hangar at
the airport (with chairs and tables left set up for the duration), at the same time every
evening does wonders for keeping people around. And the wives love it - some one else is
doing the cooking! A few cases of two buck Chuck don't hurt, either.
I seem to have your tacit agreement that all your OLC postings (74 over 5 years) have the
landing at the departure airport, with the exception of two flights where you forgot to
turn the Nano on before takeoff. You used to have adventures like a purist, and land out
sometimes (or at least "land away"), and you can do it again. Surely, there are club
members that would be pleased to retrieve you if a tow pilot isn't available. Leave the
trailer hooked to the car and keys under the seat, and go for it the next time you fly!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 12:13:17 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:to the same point.
On 7/22/2022 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Eric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, and
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
guest. We usually make sure that the motorglider folks do all the cleanup, you must watch those folks closely as they seem to be a bit on the lazy side. Even today we are having a cookout I am sure there will be a surprise on the grill other than burgersI have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.It seems like every time you pontificate on motorgliders, you demonstrate your
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
unfamiliarity with them. My ASH26E keeps moving, even at idle, so a brake is required to
taxi, and to hold it during the ignition check. If there is wind, there is always the
chance the wing will flip in the other direction while taxiing, requiring rapid and firm
braking to keep the newly "down" wing from hitting something (soft dirt, a taxiway sign),
damaging the wing or turning the glider off the taxiway.
Burgers on the grill is fine for a weekend, but that would become really tiresome for a 12
day camp like the ASA Parowan motorglider event. After a few days, people would be leaving
the airport to go to restaurants for a change, or cook dinner in their motorhome, and the
camaraderie would suffer. Having one of the local restaurants bring food to a hangar at
the airport (with chairs and tables left set up for the duration), at the same time every
evening does wonders for keeping people around. And the wives love it - some one else is
doing the cooking! A few cases of two buck Chuck don't hurt, either.
I seem to have your tacit agreement that all your OLC postings (74 over 5 years) have the
landing at the departure airport, with the exception of two flights where you forgot to
turn the Nano on before takeoff. You used to have adventures like a purist, and land out
sometimes (or at least "land away"), and you can do it again. Surely, there are club
members that would be pleased to retrieve you if a tow pilot isn't available. Leave the
trailer hooked to the car and keys under the seat, and go for it the next time you fly!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric, being a Purist I never worry about the brakes, I learned long ago to never really depend on them, you should also take that approach. Now about your investigative skills, they are lacking,
Now about the PURIST dinners at TCSC, we have one almost every weekend and every day during our wonderful Safari. We do the cooking ourselves and that even makes the camaraderie even more interesting among all of us PURIST and even a few motorglider
I am sure that someday my skills and luck will catch up with me and I once again will call for Eileen to grab the trailer and rescue me from some alligator and python infested hell hole.The Purist
Next year before you go to Ely make sure that your motorglider is not broken, all that way for one day of flying is not worth it, plan for a good week of activities.
Well the sun is up here on the East Coast and I must get a few minutes of Fox News in before I depart for the glider club and tow all of those wonderful purist. We must have several young boys and girls to get in the air today, future purist! Old Bob,
On 7/23/2022 7:12 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
I've done that three times: Twice with 1,000' rope ground launches
and once with a self-launcher. Each involved boxing up the glider at
the end of the day and all were great fun (except when my partner
crashed following one ground launch).
I thermaled over the meteor crater in Arizona and landed at Winslow,
though I did not "stand on the corner". I did that on a different
adventure with Tom Bjork (RIP). That was not a soaring story but
still great fun...
Dan
5J
Now, that's what a soaring safari really is! Going to soaring operation, staying there for while, then leaving; well, that's not even a soaring
camp! Can be a lot of fun, especially with some beer and barbecue, but
it's no more a safari than going to the zoo to see the lions is a "safari".
I offer these guidelines for "soaring safaris": The key points are
traveling from place to place, bringing your "launch system" with you,
and using takeoff and landing places that aren't soaring operation.
On 7/24/2022 4:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:returning to the same point.
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 12:13:17 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Eric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, and
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
guest. We usually make sure that the motorglider folks do all the cleanup, you must watch those folks closely as they seem to be a bit on the lazy side. Even today we are having a cookout I am sure there will be a surprise on the grill other than burgersI have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.It seems like every time you pontificate on motorgliders, you demonstrate your
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
unfamiliarity with them. My ASH26E keeps moving, even at idle, so a brake is required to
taxi, and to hold it during the ignition check. If there is wind, there is always the
chance the wing will flip in the other direction while taxiing, requiring rapid and firm
braking to keep the newly "down" wing from hitting something (soft dirt, a taxiway sign),
damaging the wing or turning the glider off the taxiway.
Burgers on the grill is fine for a weekend, but that would become really tiresome for a 12
day camp like the ASA Parowan motorglider event. After a few days, people would be leaving
the airport to go to restaurants for a change, or cook dinner in their motorhome, and the
camaraderie would suffer. Having one of the local restaurants bring food to a hangar at
the airport (with chairs and tables left set up for the duration), at the same time every
evening does wonders for keeping people around. And the wives love it - some one else is
doing the cooking! A few cases of two buck Chuck don't hurt, either.
I seem to have your tacit agreement that all your OLC postings (74 over 5 years) have the
landing at the departure airport, with the exception of two flights where you forgot to
turn the Nano on before takeoff. You used to have adventures like a purist, and land out
sometimes (or at least "land away"), and you can do it again. Surely, there are club
members that would be pleased to retrieve you if a tow pilot isn't available. Leave the
trailer hooked to the car and keys under the seat, and go for it the next time you fly!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Eric, being a Purist I never worry about the brakes, I learned long ago to never really depend on them, you should also take that approach. Now about your investigative skills, they are lacking,
Now about the PURIST dinners at TCSC, we have one almost every weekend and every day during our wonderful Safari. We do the cooking ourselves and that even makes the camaraderie even more interesting among all of us PURIST and even a few motorglider
The PuristI am sure that someday my skills and luck will catch up with me and I once again will call for Eileen to grab the trailer and rescue me from some alligator and python infested hell hole.
Next year before you go to Ely make sure that your motorglider is not broken, all that way for one day of flying is not worth it, plan for a good week of activities.
Well the sun is up here on the East Coast and I must get a few minutes of Fox News in before I depart for the glider club and tow all of those wonderful purist. We must have several young boys and girls to get in the air today, future purist! Old Bob,
"keep trying you might find the elusive landing that you are looking for." And there itEric, you investigative skills are lacking, what do I have to do take you to the promise land? Keep looking and you will find it, even a blind man should see that one. Old Bob, The Purist
is: the tacit agreement there is no posting showing a landing elsewhere than Hibiscus :^)
Just sayin'...my crew is much more likely to suggest we go soaring for a couple weeks at a
place where dinner is brought to us. The barbecue method can work at a place with a club
house that has good kitchen facilities, but even those can be strained when you have 40+
people show up for an event. Parowan has no facilities, Ely has some, Ephrata is great.
The ASH26E has been a tremendously reliable glider for me. During the 27 years (4200
hours) I've owned it, I've only missed flying about 10-15 days because of mechanical
problems. Most of those days lost were due to glider problems (like the brake), not motor
problems. By comparison, I lost many more flying days when I was flying towed gliders due
to towplane or towpilot problems.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why worry
The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob,
the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning to
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
Old Bob, don't worry too much about me. Back on the internet, this time due to some temporary cell coverage in Haines, AK. Not too much soaring here - it has rained for 2 weeks straight, and in any case ice fields are poor producers of thermals. Ihaven't killed any whales yet, they are hard to chase down in this 7 knot boat.
A primary component of any definition of "safari" is that it is an expedition, meaning going somewhere, not a cookout in the back yard. To do a soaring safari with Pawnee launched gliders requires that a Pawnee tag along the whole distance. Has beendone many times of course, but is expensive and the guy driving the Pawnee has no fun. In contrast you can do a solo safari in a motorglider, we met such a person in Ely one year, had landed his trailer in New Orleans from Germany, assembled it there,
Eric - I don't blame Old Bob for trying to get back to the airport in that swamp of a state. But the idea of land outs as a badge of manliness needs to be discouraged as it costs me money. Something like 40% of the sailplane landing accident claims arefrom off-field landings. Since these comprise only perhaps <1% of the total landings, that makes an insurance claim (paid for by premiums from you and me) 40x more likely in an off-field landing than an on-field.
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:worry about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why
The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob,
to the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not returning
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:haven't killed any whales yet, they are hard to chase down in this 7 knot boat.
Old Bob, don't worry too much about me. Back on the internet, this time due to some temporary cell coverage in Haines, AK. Not too much soaring here - it has rained for 2 weeks straight, and in any case ice fields are poor producers of thermals. I
done many times of course, but is expensive and the guy driving the Pawnee has no fun. In contrast you can do a solo safari in a motorglider, we met such a person in Ely one year, had landed his trailer in New Orleans from Germany, assembled it there,A primary component of any definition of "safari" is that it is an expedition, meaning going somewhere, not a cookout in the back yard. To do a soaring safari with Pawnee launched gliders requires that a Pawnee tag along the whole distance. Has been
are from off-field landings. Since these comprise only perhaps <1% of the total landings, that makes an insurance claim (paid for by premiums from you and me) 40x more likely in an off-field landing than an on-field.Eric - I don't blame Old Bob for trying to get back to the airport in that swamp of a state. But the idea of land outs as a badge of manliness needs to be discouraged as it costs me money. Something like 40% of the sailplane landing accident claims
worry about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why
The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old Bob,
returning to the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than us
a hop in history was not a bad day.Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
Yes, landing back at the start point is not a bad idea, isn't that what you big dogs are supposed to do! Anyway I did do my share of developing young Purist today and then took a hop in my neighbors BT13, now that baby sucks some fuel, 17 tows and then
Sorry about the ice up there in AK, it was certainly hot here on the Florida coast today, we are setting heat records almost everyday with very little rain for this time of the year. Eric is all consumed with this landout ordeal, he may just figure itout soon. Take care of yourself, don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste. Old Bob, The Purister
On 7/22/2022 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:Hello my friends,
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:24:19 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:haven't killed any whales yet, they are hard to chase down in this 7 knot boat.
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Old Bob, don't worry too much about me. Back on the internet, this time due to some temporary cell coverage in Haines, AK. Not too much soaring here - it has rained for 2 weeks straight, and in any case ice fields are poor producers of thermals. I
been done many times of course, but is expensive and the guy driving the Pawnee has no fun. In contrast you can do a solo safari in a motorglider, we met such a person in Ely one year, had landed his trailer in New Orleans from Germany, assembled itA primary component of any definition of "safari" is that it is an expedition, meaning going somewhere, not a cookout in the back yard. To do a soaring safari with Pawnee launched gliders requires that a Pawnee tag along the whole distance. Has
are from off-field landings. Since these comprise only perhaps <1% of the total landings, that makes an insurance claim (paid for by premiums from you and me) 40x more likely in an off-field landing than an on-field.Eric - I don't blame Old Bob for trying to get back to the airport in that swamp of a state. But the idea of land outs as a badge of manliness needs to be discouraged as it costs me money. Something like 40% of the sailplane landing accident claims
worry about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me! Why
Bob, The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old
returning to the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
us purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than
then a hop in history was not a bad day.Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
Yes, landing back at the start point is not a bad idea, isn't that what you big dogs are supposed to do! Anyway I did do my share of developing young Purist today and then took a hop in my neighbors BT13, now that baby sucks some fuel, 17 tows and
it out soon. Take care of yourself, don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste. Old Bob, The PuristerSorry about the ice up there in AK, it was certainly hot here on the Florida coast today, we are setting heat records almost everyday with very little rain for this time of the year. Eric is all consumed with this landout ordeal, he may just figure
Hey Bobby The Hypocrite,concluded this: your purported experience as a cross country glider pilot is a FRAUD! Your average flight distance is just 168 km - that hardly gets you out of glide distance of your home airport. The MAXIMUM flight distance you have had in 5 years is
You can't even admit that you were DEAD WRONG on the definition of "safari", so you continue your bloviating about being a "purist." The truth is you rarely creep out of gliding range of New Hibriscus. I have examined ALL of your OLC posted and have
Bobby, you are a JOKE masquerading as a glider pilot. To be criticizing those of us that make REAL cross country glider flights is a DISGRACE! Keith Essex recently did a 1,535km flight on THERMALS ALONE, a REMARKABLE feat that you met with SILENCE. Yet,you would DISMISS that flight because he flew a MOTORGLIDER!
Bobby, I recommend that you GET A LIFE and smell the roses. You are a pathetic glider pilot who only wants to denigrate others of superior airmanship skills.Hey Richard Noggin, or DH, you are certainly worthy of either title. Sorry that the truth about the dark side of soaring gets you so irritated, you should get a better grip on yourself, calm down and maybe take a few valium.
Tom
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler
at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with
that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.
Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow. Wish I
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow. Wish
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow. Wish
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm not sure why, but not all flights show up on FlightAware or other such websites. Seems to miss many of them, even though ADSB out is on for all.Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 4:01:23 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 9:39:36 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:I haven't killed any whales yet, they are hard to chase down in this 7 knot boat.
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 5:24:19 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Old Bob, don't worry too much about me. Back on the internet, this time due to some temporary cell coverage in Haines, AK. Not too much soaring here - it has rained for 2 weeks straight, and in any case ice fields are poor producers of thermals.
been done many times of course, but is expensive and the guy driving the Pawnee has no fun. In contrast you can do a solo safari in a motorglider, we met such a person in Ely one year, had landed his trailer in New Orleans from Germany, assembled itA primary component of any definition of "safari" is that it is an expedition, meaning going somewhere, not a cookout in the back yard. To do a soaring safari with Pawnee launched gliders requires that a Pawnee tag along the whole distance. Has
claims are from off-field landings. Since these comprise only perhaps <1% of the total landings, that makes an insurance claim (paid for by premiums from you and me) 40x more likely in an off-field landing than an on-field.Eric - I don't blame Old Bob for trying to get back to the airport in that swamp of a state. But the idea of land outs as a badge of manliness needs to be discouraged as it costs me money. Something like 40% of the sailplane landing accident
Why worry about the brakes, plan your approach accordingly, us Purist have no problem with things like that.On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 7:54:45 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/22/2022 2:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
You and Richard Noggin need to do better on your homework, not all of those flights resulted in me landing back at X52. You motorglider guys need to tighten up on your research, I certainly know more about you guys than you know about me!
Bob, The PuristWell, regardless of the cost of fuel, the invitation still stands, in fact I am planning a Motorglider Safari for the future with guest privilege's being sent to Richard Noggin, Herbie, yourself and many more, I hope you all can attend. Old
returning to the same point.I looked at all 74 flights you've posted on the OLC since 2018. All started and ended at
Hibiscus. If I made an error, please, tell us which flights did not end at Hibiscus.
Would you fly your towplane without wheel brakes? I also taxi, so I need the brake for
that, just as you do. I also use it to ensure I turn off the runway at the correct
taxiway; often, there are other gliders on that taxiway that have just come off the
runway, and haven't had time to move their glider (almost always a "purist"; motorgliders
just fire up and taxi to their tiedown), so I need the brake to avoid hitting them. I
could, of course, do like a purist, and stop on the runway, blocking it for several
minutes until it's finally pushed off the runway :^) I hope I'm not telling you anything
you don't know!
Now this you may not know: a motorglider safari involves taking off at one airport, andEric, please excuse me for the late reply but I was over on the beach having a couple of Stella's and admiring the scenery, hope you understand. Now you seem to have altered the meaning of safari, Webster never mentions motorgliders or not
landing at a different one. Repeat for several days, until you have all arrived at the
final destination. What you've been calling a "safari", we call a "soaring camp". I'd be
more interested in a safari than a camp, though I do enjoy both. My crew likes camps that
have caterers show up with dinner in the _early_ evening (no later that 7 pm!), like the
Parowan motorglider camp - just a hint that might help you make your event more popular
than others.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
us purist, but actually that is not the case. Caterers are for weddings and family events out west, us down south just have a BBQ or a burger on the grill, charcoal, as our purist grilling preference.Now about those brakes, yes, I have flown the Pawnee with no brakes on several occasions, anyone who has flown one probably has done the same thing. I never use brakes even when I have them, seems like such a bad habit.
The girl scouts have camps, us Purist have a safari, and at the end of the day we don't have caviar brought in by some vendor we usually throw a burger on the grill and have a few cold beers, I guess you think you guys have much more class than
then a hop in history was not a bad day.Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.I have been concerned about Fitch, his absence was well noted, hope he gets back soon to join the festivities.
Now keep digging into the OLC flights and you might find what you are missing, I expect nothing but excellence from you.
It is getting close to Hannity time here on the East Coast, I doubt that you will be tuning in for the wisdom from the right, but there is hope for you. Take care, I enjoy the bantering, Old Bob, The Purist
Yes, landing back at the start point is not a bad idea, isn't that what you big dogs are supposed to do! Anyway I did do my share of developing young Purist today and then took a hop in my neighbors BT13, now that baby sucks some fuel, 17 tows and
it out soon. Take care of yourself, don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste. Old Bob, The PuristerSorry about the ice up there in AK, it was certainly hot here on the Florida coast today, we are setting heat records almost everyday with very little rain for this time of the year. Eric is all consumed with this landout ordeal, he may just figure
concluded this: your purported experience as a cross country glider pilot is a FRAUD! Your average flight distance is just 168 km - that hardly gets you out of glide distance of your home airport. The MAXIMUM flight distance you have had in 5 years isHey Bobby The Hypocrite,
You can't even admit that you were DEAD WRONG on the definition of "safari", so you continue your bloviating about being a "purist." The truth is you rarely creep out of gliding range of New Hibriscus. I have examined ALL of your OLC posted and have
Yet, you would DISMISS that flight because he flew a MOTORGLIDER!Bobby, you are a JOKE masquerading as a glider pilot. To be criticizing those of us that make REAL cross country glider flights is a DISGRACE! Keith Essex recently did a 1,535km flight on THERMALS ALONE, a REMARKABLE feat that you met with SILENCE.
Motorglider down to Florida and we will go for a flight, you can be part of the 2023 Soaring Safari. Your best friend, Old Bob, The PuristBobby, I recommend that you GET A LIFE and smell the roses. You are a pathetic glider pilot who only wants to denigrate others of superior airmanship skills.
TomHey Richard Noggin, or DH, you are certainly worthy of either title. Sorry that the truth about the dark side of soaring gets you so irritated, you should get a better grip on yourself, calm down and maybe take a few valium.
You are trying to bring Motorglider Wokeness, to the great activity and honestly it is not working. All of us true purist understand the motorglider gig for what it is and accept the fact that your diminished skills are obvious. Bring that old
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen".
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen".
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet stilldo a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet still
Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.FAI probably will not accept ADSB, let me know if it does! You motorglider guys have a history of tricking recorders. Old Bob, The Purist
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I would
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet still
Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.Eric, I know the answer, Ole Fitch did not want anyone to know that he started his motor to get home, so he never posted the flights. Old Bob, The Purist
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I would
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publicationsEric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet still
Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.FAI probably will not accept ADSB, let me know if it does! You motorglider guys have a history of tricking recorders. Old Bob, The Purist
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I would
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet
Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I wouldFAI probably will not accept ADSB, let me know if it does! You motorglider guys have a history of tricking recorders. Old Bob, The Purist
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On 7/26/2022 1:22 PM, [email protected] wrote:Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publicationsEric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet
The "If it's not on OLC..." doesn't have anything to do with the FAI, which doesn't acceptApparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.FAI probably will not accept ADSB, let me know if it does! You motorglider guys have a history of tricking recorders. Old Bob, The Purist
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I would
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
OLC for validating flights. What's your point?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet
Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I wouldEric, I know the answer, Ole Fitch did not want anyone to know that he started his motor to get home, so he never posted the flights. Old Bob, The Purist
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Odd, and suggests there is something amiss with your ADSB. All my Phoenix flights show upWish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
on FlightAware. Do other ADSB gliders flying from Truckee have the same problem?
On 7/25/2022 6:26 PM, jfitch wrote:
I'm not sure why, but not all flights show up on FlightAware or other such websites. Seems to miss many of them, even though ADSB out is on for all.
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 4:01:23 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a tow.
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Old Bob, you know very little about what I do and don't do. Fortunately I don't care what you (or others) might think about my flying, which is why I don't bother posting on OLC. People who know me, and fly with me, know what I do. But if you areobsessed with my flying, you can find some of these recorded in the SSA competition archives and yes, it is more than 3 flights in the last few years, and no, the motor was not used for retrieves.
You need to come out to Truckee and fly where getting home can be a challenge, then you can boast about it. Or do some cross country in a motorglider, then you could at least talk about it intelligently.tow. Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The Purist
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:28:43 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote: >>>> On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet
Fitch, I really don't care about your flights, it was Eric that told me to take a look at your flights and I would be impressed, that turned out not to be the case. Eric, was probably not aware that you were a three flight man, had he known that he wouldApparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.
I didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I wouldEric, I know the answer, Ole Fitch did not want anyone to know that he started his motor to get home, so he never posted the flights. Old Bob, The Purist
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 12:58:07 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:obsessed with my flying, you can find some of these recorded in the SSA competition archives and yes, it is more than 3 flights in the last few years, and no, the motor was not used for retrieves.
Old Bob, you know very little about what I do and don't do. Fortunately I don't care what you (or others) might think about my flying, which is why I don't bother posting on OLC. People who know me, and fly with me, know what I do. But if you are
tow. Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The PuristYou need to come out to Truckee and fly where getting home can be a challenge, then you can boast about it. Or do some cross country in a motorglider, then you could at least talk about it intelligently.
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:28:43 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him a
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed. >>>> --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore, yet
would probably not used you as an example.Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.
Fitch, I really don't care about your flights, it was Eric that told me to take a look at your flights and I would be impressed, that turned out not to be the case. Eric, was probably not aware that you were a three flight man, had he known that heI didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I wouldEric, I know the answer, Ole Fitch did not want anyone to know that he started his motor to get home, so he never posted the flights. Old Bob, The Purist
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on.
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Some individuals do not post their flights when they land out or violate airspace, I certainly hope that was not the issue. You know back in the day, around the mid 70's to late 80's we flew most every day and never recorded a flight unless we weregoing for some type of flight achievement. Back around the early 80's Alfonso and I took off out of Thermal Research and crossed he everglades and flew to about where Seminole Lake is today and returned to Thermal Research after crossing the everglades
Fitch, I really don't care about your flights, it was Eric that told me to take a look at your flights and I would be impressed, that turned out not to be the case. Eric, was probably not aware that you were a three flight man, had he known that hewould probably not used you as an example.
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:obsessed with my flying, you can find some of these recorded in the SSA competition archives and yes, it is more than 3 flights in the last few years, and no, the motor was not used for retrieves.
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 12:58:07 AM UTC-4, jfitch wrote:
Old Bob, you know very little about what I do and don't do. Fortunately I don't care what you (or others) might think about my flying, which is why I don't bother posting on OLC. People who know me, and fly with me, know what I do. But if you are
a tow. Wish I would have had my Pawnee there I would have gladly towed the guy. Old Bob, The PuristYou need to come out to Truckee and fly where getting home can be a challenge, then you can boast about it. Or do some cross country in a motorglider, then you could at least talk about it intelligently.
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 2:28:43 PM UTC-8, [email protected] wrote:
On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/26/2022 8:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 8:01:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/25/2022 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 7/24/2022 5:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:Thanks Eric, I took a look and saw only two or three flights in six years, I would have thought Fitch would have been much more active, I can only surmise that he could not get the motor started on the motorglider and no-one would give him
"don't poison any wildlife with you motorboat waste."
"Motorboat waste"? Did you miss the part about him being on a sailboat? Check out his blog:
https://yachtanomaly.wordpress.com/about/
Fitch, I cannot imagine a motorglider guy trucking around the North Pacific in a trawler at 7 knots.I would have taken you for a Fedship guy tooling around the high seas with that big MTU spilling carbon credits all over the sky.Sailboats and sailplanes tend to attract the same kind of person. George Moffat was an
excellent example of someone successful at racing both types of "sailcraft". Talk about
poor research! All you had to do was look a few of Jon's OLC entries to see the motor is
used for launching, not tooling around the sky at high speed. >>>> --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Not Happen". Do you think that maybe he was tweaking his data logger and screwed it up, you certainly know how those motorglider guys are.I'm surprised, too. I just assumed he posted all his flights on OLC, but apparently not.Eric, you know that I certainly enjoy bantering back and forth with olé Fitch, really a worthy opponent and from all of his motorglider comments I had no idea that he was a three flight man! Like you guys say, "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did
Here is a link to four flights this year on Flightaware for N26GJ (ADSB equipped):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26GJ
You can buy a listing of all his flights from FlightAware, but it's not cheap!
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
yet still do a bit of fishing in the deep blue. Old Bob, The PuristI certainly understand his love of the seas, the wife and I stayed a lot on the water back before 2004 when hurricanes Frances and Jean pretty much destroyed the Morgan OI 51, yet getting too old these days to do that kind of thing anymore,
would probably not used you as an example.Apparently, you missed his remarks on 7/25 at 6:23pm and 6:26pm.
Fitch, I really don't care about your flights, it was Eric that told me to take a look at your flights and I would be impressed, that turned out not to be the case. Eric, was probably not aware that you were a three flight man, had he known that heI didn't originate the "If It Is Not On OLC , It Did Not Happen" statement, but I wouldEric, I know the answer, Ole Fitch did not want anyone to know that he started his motor to get home, so he never posted the flights. Old Bob, The Purist
amend it to include ADSB, as more and and more gliders are equipping with it, and it
records the flight, even if the pilot forgets to turn the Nano on. --
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
going for some type of flight achievement. Back around the early 80's Alfonso and I took off out of Thermal Research and crossed he everglades and flew to about where Seminole Lake is today and returned to Thermal Research after crossing the evergladesSome individuals do not post their flights when they land out or violate airspace, I certainly hope that was not the issue. You know back in the day, around the mid 70's to late 80's we flew most every day and never recorded a flight unless we were
Sorry Old Bob but Andy McQuigg has the longest Out & Return in the state of Florida 418 miles in 1984 and he could prove it if he was still with us..Thanks for the correction Glenn, E9 and we did our flight in about 1981-82, I had a new 20 and Alfonso was flying Checho's 20 at the time. Ours was about 180 plus nautical miles one way, I do not recall which track Andy took.
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