https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EI was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:09:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EI was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 7:10:05 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:09:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with motor .
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EI was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
UH
Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with motor .Correct Hank. Per the pilot, he took a tow to 3000'. Practiced some stalls. Cycled the engine up and down in flight. Entered a right turn to head back to the gliderport IP and spun it. Spiral dive ensued. Wing came off when pulling out of the dive. The
UH
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:09:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Bob, as anyone who flies a motorglider knows, you must be very careful pushing the right rudder pedal. The presence of an engine has a neuro-psychic effect on the brain due to gravity waves emanating from its mass, making the right foot stronger. This
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EI was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:10:05 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:leads to skidding turns when turning right. To counteract this, I ALWAYS turn left. Another contributing factor in this case is that the AC-5M Russia is not pretty enough to actually fly. I avoid calling it "ugly" since beauty is in the eye of the
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:09:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: >>> https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EBob, as anyone who flies a motorglider knows, you must be very careful pushing the right rudder pedal. The presence of an engine has a neuro-psychic effect on the brain due to gravity waves emanating from its mass, making the right foot stronger. This
I was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:10:05 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:leads to skidding turns when turning right. To counteract this, I ALWAYS turn left. Another contributing factor in this case is that the AC-5M Russia is not pretty enough to actually fly. I avoid calling it "ugly" since beauty is in the eye of the
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 4:09:29 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:Bob, as anyone who flies a motorglider knows, you must be very careful pushing the right rudder pedal. The presence of an engine has a neuro-psychic effect on the brain due to gravity waves emanating from its mass, making the right foot stronger. This
https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/192533/pdf?fbclid=IwAR2PBlWN_9pwVl-LKLpECy_CRZxXdOAkHrEkhyoAaBdTzx4glTdA5WIiD1EI was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship? Hey Fitch, what the heck is going on with all these motorglider crashes? Old Bob. The Purist
Interesting theories, but since the engine was retracted into the fuselage and the airframe was "clean" before the right hand turn that ended up in a spin, the engine had no causality on the resulting crash. I guess others should pay closer attentionas well.
Interesting theories, but since the engine was retracted into the fuselage and the airframe was "clean" before the right hand turn that ended up in a spin, the engine had no causality on the resulting crash. I guess others should pay closer attentionas well.
And that was from the NTSB. In this case it was the press that got it right.The articles barely give enough information to make very speculative guesses about what happened. If only we knew the pilot's experience in gliders, his time in motorgliders, recency of experience, and his time in the AC4/AC5 gliders.
https://ktvl.com/news/local/glider-crashes-in-rural-washington-county-pilot-able-to-parachute-out-roy-road-sheriffs-office-cornelius-metro-west-oregon
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 5:25:10 PM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:as well.
Interesting theories, but since the engine was retracted into the fuselage and the airframe was "clean" before the right hand turn that ended up in a spin, the engine had no causality on the resulting crash. I guess others should pay closer attention
It has nothing to do with the engine running, just the mass of it causes the neuro-psychic effect twitching the right foot. More so on people in Florida, but can affect those launching from Trump voting counties in Oregon as well.Fitch, it is another Russian Dossier, more false information that may result in Comey being the main investigator and the FISA court issuing a request for the damaged glider. OBTP
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 2:58:36 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
And that was from the NTSB. In this case it was the press that got it right. >>The articles barely give enough information to make very speculative guesses about what happened. If only we knew the pilot's experience in gliders, his time in motorgliders, recency of experience, and his time in the AC4/AC5 gliders.
https://ktvl.com/news/local/glider-crashes-in-rural-washington-county-pilot-able-to-parachute-out-roy-road-sheriffs-office-cornelius-metro-west-oregon
My wild speculation is this was his first flight in the AC5, he had no prior experience in motorgliders, did not read my Guide, and is a low-time pilot.
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:25:10 PM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:as well.
Interesting theories, but since the engine was retracted into the fuselage and the airframe was "clean" before the right hand turn that ended up in a spin, the engine had no causality on the resulting crash. I guess others should pay closer attention
Now Craig, the following scenario was probably the culprit. As the Motorglider pilot was busy screwing with the engine, he was distracted and very uncoordinated which resulted in the initial spin. Not being aware of spin recovery the motorglider pilotlet the motorglider get into a spiral and therefore pulled the wing off in an attempt to gain control, we call that , screwing up, down here in the South. It is not the first nor the last time that this type of accident has occurred, I do remember an
On 7/16/2023 12:14 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 2:58:36 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
And that was from the NTSB. In this case it was the press that got it right.The articles barely give enough information to make very speculative guesses about what happened. If only we knew the pilot's experience in gliders, his time in motorgliders, recency of experience, and his time in the AC4/AC5 gliders.
https://ktvl.com/news/local/glider-crashes-in-rural-washington-county-pilot-able-to-parachute-out-roy-road-sheriffs-office-cornelius-metro-west-oregon
My wild speculation is this was his first flight in the AC5, he had no prior experience in motorgliders, did not read my Guide, and is a low-time pilot.
I've owned the AC4 for the last 12 years and flown it hundreds of hours.
It has behaved nicely, never got anywhere close to a spin. If I get
too slow in a thermal it obviously shudders but does not drop a wing. I don't know if the AC5 (similar, but with the motor) is different. One
thing that comes to mind: was the CG in range? Since I myself don't
weigh much, I look at that very carefully. I have 18 pounds of lead installed in the front cockpit. That puts the CG in the range. Just
barely, but the stability results seem fine.
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 6:01:14 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:as well.
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 8:25:10 PM UTC-4, Craig Reinholt wrote:
Interesting theories, but since the engine was retracted into the fuselage and the airframe was "clean" before the right hand turn that ended up in a spin, the engine had no causality on the resulting crash. I guess others should pay closer attention
let the motorglider get into a spiral and therefore pulled the wing off in an attempt to gain control, we call that , screwing up, down here in the South. It is not the first nor the last time that this type of accident has occurred, I do remember anNow Craig, the following scenario was probably the culprit. As the Motorglider pilot was busy screwing with the engine, he was distracted and very uncoordinated which resulted in the initial spin. Not being aware of spin recovery the motorglider pilot
Bob, no doubt the motor in the ASW27 was the cause of that spin accident as well.
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it a self-launcher or a sustainer?
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe, oh
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it a self-launcher or a sustainer?The only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The Purist
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe, oh
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it a self-launcher or a sustainer?The only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Loosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTP
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such incident.Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The Purist
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe, oh
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it a self-launcher or a sustainer?The only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:42:30 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
Dan, there is nothing here that takes away from the serious aspects of the event! Everyone is entitled to their opinions and postings, sorry that you don't see it that way. There are many comments referencing the event that are humorous, they are alsoI agree with Ramy. Discussion of flight safety incidents/accidents are serious, and not the place for "a few laughs and short jabs".Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.Loosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTP
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
teachable moments contained within. BobDan, there is nothing here that takes away from the serious aspects of the event! Everyone is entitled to their opinions and postings, sorry that you don't see it that way. There are many comments referencing the event that are humorous, they are alsoI agree with Ramy. Discussion of flight safety incidents/accidents are serious, and not the place for "a few laughs and short jabs".Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.Loosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTP
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
discussion on it.also teachable moments contained within. Bob
Dan, there is nothing here that takes away from the serious aspects of the event! Everyone is entitled to their opinions and postings, sorry that you don't see it that way. There are many comments referencing the event that are humorous, they areI agree with Ramy. Discussion of flight safety incidents/accidents are serious, and not the place for "a few laughs and short jabs".Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.Loosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTP
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
I'm sure the injured pilot is enjoying the "few laughs and short jabs" he was able to supply with his accident.Hopefully so Steve, a few laughs will go a long way. OBTP
Steve
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such incident.Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
Yet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The Purist
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe, oh
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it a self-launcher or a sustainer?The only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 6:56:46 PM UTC-7, Ramy wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe,
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
Ramy, let this be a lesson when you try to be serious with Booby. I wonder if there is a dementia test now when you get a 3rd class medical?You should take the dementia test Tommy.
Tom 2G
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe,
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
Loosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to believe,
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
Some of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTP
So what is so offensive about that , the assembly was documented and a video was taken. After all it was Eric that made the comment that the pilot should have read his book, I will let you explain that reply. OBTP[email protected]Some of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTP
I was just wondering of Eric help assemble the ship?
Not directed at Eric?
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
Have you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from such
believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
Someone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set you free."No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:such incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from
believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard to
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
Eric, I don't think that reading some type of rag sheet would have helped James, hopefully he is recovering and doing well. OBTPSomeone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set you free."No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:26:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:such incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn from
to believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is hard
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
This is what I and others try to tell you: you make disparaging judgements without knowledge. In this case, it's the "rag sheet" remark from you, even though you have not read the Guide, or if he did read it.Eric, I don't think that reading some type of rag sheet would have helped James, hopefully he is recovering and doing well. OBTPSomeone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set you free."No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:25:32 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:from such incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:26:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn
hard to believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
This is what I and others try to tell you: you make disparaging judgements without knowledge. In this case, it's the "rag sheet" remark from you, even though you have not read the Guide, or if he did read it.Eric, I don't think that reading some type of rag sheet would have helped James, hopefully he is recovering and doing well. OBTPSomeone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set you free."No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:from such incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:25:32 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:26:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn
hard to believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
"Someone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set you free.No, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
UH, sorry that offense was taken in me making reference to the motorglider guide as the, "Rag Sheet", by definition the meaning simply states that it is paper made from rags, usually cotton. Hank, you guys are wound way too tight, loosen up and have aThe Guide has a lot of very useful information.Eric, I don't think that reading some type of rag sheet would have helped James, hopefully he is recovering and doing well. OBTPThis is what I and others try to tell you: you make disparaging judgements without knowledge. In this case, it's the "rag sheet" remark from you, even though you have not read the Guide, or if he did read it.
Bob, my friend, sometimes you just go too far.
I know a lot is tongue in cheek, but it would be good to turn the temperature down.
Failure to do so means folks won't pay attention to the good and constructive things you say.
UH
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Hank Nixon wrote:from such incident. Why was the spin developed into spiral dive? Pilot error? Aft CG? Good discussion on it.
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:25:32 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:26:04 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 5:15:23 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 3:42:40 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:42:30 AM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 9:56:46 PM UTC-4, Ramy wrote:
Reading this thread, I find a report on a serious incident resulted from spin which developed into spiral, with the pilot alive thanks to recently deciding to take emergency parachutes seriously. There are important lessons to learn
hard to believe, oh well, it is what it is! Old Bob, The PuristYet mixed in this thread are jokes about motorgliders, which only confusing some of the readers who apparently not read the whole thread or Craig’s report.
Common folks, this is a serious incident, let’s pay more attention to the facts reported and keep the jokes to other motorglider threads. Just sayin…
Ramy
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:17:21 PM UTC-4, Mark628CA wrote:
On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-6, Dan Marotta wrote:Mark, that ship needs DQ as a contest number, Drag Queen. I cannot believe that Craig would think of me as stirring the pot, that really hurt. I have been so kind to the Motorglider guys and to have such an insult thrown my way is
I had no idea there was an ASW-27 with an engine installation. Is it aThe only engine installation on an ASW-27 I know of is Chris Esselstyne's twin-engine turbojet project. It is a self-launcher. (You might have seen it at Moriarty last year.)
self-launcher or a sustainer?
free."Someone that is considering a motorglider, explains them to others, and disparages motorglider pilots, but hasn't read the "Guide" ... you just might be a Dummy. "Sometimes what you are most afraid of doing is the one thing that will set youNo, I have not, rather spend time reading something interesting like, "The National Enquirer". OBTPHave you read my "Guide"? It's not admitting you are a dummy if you have read it...If something is not directed at you, then how are you offended? What you should do is write a new book titled, "Motorgliders For Dummies". OBTPLoosen up Ramy, nothing here offensive to anyone, just a few laughs and short jabs. OBTPSome of it is offensive to me. I agree with Ramy.
bit of fun. Now old Bob, The Purist will be away for a few days, certainly not vacationing or flying my pure glider, but hopefully returning very soon to turn the heat up on the RAS motorglider guys. Take care, OBTPUH, sorry that offense was taken in me making reference to the motorglider guide as the, "Rag Sheet", by definition the meaning simply states that it is paper made from rags, usually cotton. Hank, you guys are wound way too tight, loosen up and have aThe Guide has a lot of very useful information.Eric, I don't think that reading some type of rag sheet would have helped James, hopefully he is recovering and doing well. OBTPThis is what I and others try to tell you: you make disparaging judgements without knowledge. In this case, it's the "rag sheet" remark from you, even though you have not read the Guide, or if he did read it.
Bob, my friend, sometimes you just go too far.
I know a lot is tongue in cheek, but it would be good to turn the temperature down.
Failure to do so means folks won't pay attention to the good and constructive things you say.
UH
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