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On 2/17/25 07:40, Baxter wrote:

Sharx335 <[email protected]> wrote in news:voui6j$114dt$[email protected]:

On 2025-02-16 10:09 p.m., NefeshBarYochai wrote:

Global reaction came swiftly on Wednesday to U.S. President Donald
Trump’s call for Gazans to be relocated out of the Strip, which he
described as a “demolition site”— with most, if not all,
countries panning the idea. ----

What utterly idealist bullshit! ANY two-state solution would
eventually end in open warfare. Just a matter of time.

Because Isreal wants unending war?

Baxter, you are a stupid and ignorant Anti-Semitic shithead.

Israel very much ants peace. But they refuse to again allow themselves
to be put at risk of bring entirely killed.

Israel was willing to accept two states in 1948 and since many times.
How about when Democrat Clinton negotiated in 2000 and Israel
was willing to accept Two States.

VClinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I
regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation
into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian
people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and
lasting peace." The failure to come to an agreement was widely
attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without
making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell
the series of Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[61][62][63] Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by
Nabil Amr, a former minister in the Palestinian Authority.[64] In My
Life, Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling
him, "You are a great man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I
am a failure, and you made me one."[65]

Israel was happy to accept peace with Egypt. And then Jordan.
And then
The Abraham Accords are bilateral agreements on Arab–Israeli
normalization signed between Israel and the United Arab Emirates and
between Israel and Bahrain on September 15, 2020

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:01:07 -0800
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

Israel was willing to accept two states in 1948 and since many times.

Aye, consider:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#References

When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s,
they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with
Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to
Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity.
It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build
mosques, clubs and schools. Crucially, Israel often stood aside when
the Islamists and their secular left-wing Palestinian rivals battled,
sometimes violently, for influence in both Gaza and the West Bank.
'When I look back at the chain of events I think we made a mistake,'
says David Hacham, who worked in Gaza in the late 1980s and early '90s
as an Arab-affairs expert in the Israeli military.

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On 2025-02-17 4:31 p.m., Jim Wilkins wrote:

"mxplztylc"  wrote in message news:20250217130837.44f484ce@z-z...
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:01:07 -0800
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

The Arab States' intractable problem: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/gaza-donald-trump- arab-states-middle-east

"There is clearly no consensus on Trump’s Gaza approach, or even how to respond to it, between countries that make up a political bloc but have divergent interests."

Trump has bumped up the urgency for them to seek an acceptable
consensus. The solution really has to be theirs, not ours.

Or mine, renounce past Western interference and let the Turks regain
their empire.

Turks are the new neo-Nazis of the middle east. Look how they terrorize
the innocent Kurds.

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 18:31:57 -0500
"Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote:

"mxplztylc" wrote in message news:20250217130837.44f484ce@z-z...
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 12:01:07 -0800
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

The Arab States' intractable problem: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/17/gaza-donald-trump-arab-states-middle-east

"There is clearly no consensus on Trump’s Gaza approach, or even how
to respond to it, between countries that make up a political bloc but
have divergent interests."

Trump has bumped up the urgency for them to seek an acceptable
consensus. The solution really has to be theirs, not ours.

Amen.

Or mine, renounce past Western interference and let the Turks regain
their empire.

A tempting prospect, albeit a bloody one - but over there, what isn't?

We just need not to be on the ground for any of this.

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