• a Quora "Gaza is just a normal urban war"

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 20:04:39 2024
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    Your regular reminder that Gaza is just a normal urban war. That doesn’t
    make it pleasant, or anything but appalling.

    The big difference between Gaza and other recent urban warfare is the unprecedented levels of civilian protection taken by the IDF. Whether
    you like it or not, shifting millions of people out of harm’s way has
    saved tens of thousands of lives.

    That doesn’t mean that the distribution of aid in a war zone isn’t an eternal problem. It doesn’t mean that innocent Palestinians aren’t
    homeless and suffering. The difference between this and other recent
    Middle Eastern urban battles is that in any other conflict, they
    wouldn’t be hungry and suffering: they’d be dead.

    Has the IDF made fuck ups? Of course. Show me an army in any war, ever,
    that hasn’t. In living memory, god knows the USA, UK and Australia as a minimum have. It’s part and parcel of warfare, as much as armies do and should try to avoid them.

    It’s not a genocide. It’s not deliberate starvation. It’s just urban war in cities where Hamas has turned civilian infrastructure into military
    targets and has a strategy of maximising civilian casualties.

    Just for reference, here are Grozny, Homs, Raqqa and Kharkiv. All 21st
    century urban wars. Ignore the disinformation. This is what urban war
    looks like.

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    Carl Bargainer
    · Mon
    Focusing on Israel is wrong-headed. Hamas started this by butchering
    babies, raping civilians, and taking hostages. They hide behind their
    own women and children and want them to be killed.

    That’s all that needs to be discussed.

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    Bob Bissonnette
    · Tue
    Gaza is anything BUT an urban war. Never in history has a ‘resistance’ group used it’s own kids as bullet shields…never! These monsters have to
    be eliminated…take NO prisoners since they will never change.

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    Jordan Spaller
    · Tue
    oof if they think this urban warfare is bad, they should check out what
    ww2 cities looked like after the planes and soldier came through and
    clashed.

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    Greg Horne
    · 23h
    What? Much the same? Identical?

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    Simon MacPhisto
    · Tue
    Rationality will get you nowhere with these clowns.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 20:20:45 2024
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    On 7/3/24 20:04, a425couple wrote:
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    Your regular reminder that Gaza is just a normal urban war. That doesn’t make it pleasant, or anything but appalling.

    The big difference between Gaza and other recent urban warfare is the unprecedented levels of civilian protection taken by the IDF. Whether
    you like it or not, shifting millions of people out of harm’s way has
    saved tens of thousands of lives.

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    Keep up the good work Israel

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    Jun 10
    We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that we rescued four innocent Jewish hostages and
    eliminated the terrorists who were holding them as well as the people
    who fired at the soldiers during the operation. Anyone else killed there
    is on Hamas. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that we are fighting Hamas by any and all means
    necessary. Don’t come to us when they use Gazans as human shields. We
    are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that we went into Rafah and destroyed endless terror
    tunnels and eliminated endless terrorists. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that us Jews can now defend ourselves and we are doing
    just that. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that despite not starting this war, we are winning it
    and will continue to do so. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry that Lebanon is about to pay a very steep price for
    allowing Hezbollah to attack Israel from its territory. There is a price
    for supporting terror. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry for attacking terrorists even when they hide in UNRWA
    schools or behind civilians. That’s their problem, not ours. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry for eliminating a “Journalist” and a “doctor” who held Israeli hostages for 8 months. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry for setting clear objectives to this war, objectives we
    will achieve: The total obliteration of Hamas and the return of our
    hostages. We will achieve both and we won’t stop till we do. We are not sorry.

    We are not sorry for outright denying the casualty numbers the world
    likes to quote, when the source for those numbers is Hamas. Hamas
    murders, rapes, and beheads, but the fact that they lie seems to shock everyone. We are not sorry.

    Us Jews? We are done apologizing.

    Sorry, not sorry. Not anymore. Not now, not ever.

    Am Yisrael Chai! 🇮🇱

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