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    Are we prepared for Chinese preeminence on the moon and Mars? (op-ed)
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    By Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady published April 19, 2024
    China is moving fast in the final frontier.

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    an illustration of a Chinese moon base
    Artist's illustration of a possible Chinese moon base. (Image credit: gremlin/Getty Images)

    Chris Carberry is CEO of Explore Mars, Inc. and author of "The Music of
    Space" and "Alcohol in Space." Joe Cassady is Director, Civil Space at
    L3Harris as well as Executive VP of Explore Mars, Inc. They contributed
    this article to Space.com's Expert Voices: Op-Ed & Insights.

    The United States appears to be entering the golden age of space
    exploration. Over the past few years, the nation has conducted an
    unprecedented number of launches, countless space hardware developments,
    and notched innumerable other milestones. Nevertheless, despite these accomplishments, the United States could lose its decades-old leadership
    in space exploration and technology to China.

    The People's Republic of China (PRC) is making steady drives forward in
    all aspects of human and robotics capabilities. China's space
    accomplishments over the past few years include the success of the Long
    March 5B heavy-lift vehicle and the construction of the Tiangong space
    station. In 2019, China became the first nation to successfully
    "soft-land" a vehicle, the robotic Chang'e 4 rover-lander duo, on the
    far side of the moon. Then, a year later, the Chang'e 5 mission
    successfully accomplished a sample-return mission from the moon.

    Related: China moving at 'breathtaking speed' in final frontier, Space
    Force says

    More recently, on March 20, 2024, China launched its relay satellite, Queqiao-2. This accomplishment will enable the Chinese to conduct
    operations on the far side of the moon, and lays the groundwork for the
    Chang'e 6 lunar far side sample return mission later this year, to be
    followed by the Chang'e 7 lander and rover in 2026 and the Chang'e 8
    mission in 2028, which will include a lunar In-Situ Resource Utilization
    (ISRU) demonstration. China has also announced a goal for surface
    missions by Chinese taikonauts, possibly by 2030. And, as the United
    States and its partners continue to struggle with achieving a Mars
    Sample Return mission, China has announced its goal to conduct such a
    mission in 2030.

    While these accomplishments still pale by comparison to those of the
    United States over the past 60 years, the rate at which the Chinese have
    been catching up is alarming. According to a 2022 Pentagon report, the
    U.S. could lose its lead in space technology as soon as 2045. The report
    notes that, while U.S. industrial capacity is expanding, "the upward
    trajectory of the People's Republic of China…is even steeper, with a significant rate of overtake, requiring urgent action." The report added
    that "the U.S. lacks a clear and cohesive long-term vision, a grand
    strategy for space that sustains economic, technological, environmental,
    social and military (defense) leadership for the next half century and
    beyond."

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    Learn more about the 2024 Humans to Mars summit here. (Image credit: ExploreMars.Org)
    Why is this important? Investment in space exploration and development capabilities is an investment in the country. These endeavors bolster innovation and new markets, as well as national standing, diplomacy and national security, while at the same time assure that the United States
    remains the undisputed leader in scientific discovery, inspiration and
    STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) education. And while
    NASA is a civilian space agency, we can't ignore the broader
    implications of surrendering our lead in space. According to the
    U.S-China Economic and Security Review Commission's report to Congress, "Beijing has specific plans not merely to explore space, but to
    industrially dominate the space within the moon's orbit of Earth. China
    has invested significant resources in exploring the national security
    and economic value of this area, including its potential for space-based manufacturing, resource extraction, and power generation, although
    experts differ on the feasibility of some of these activities."

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    The good news is that the United States still has a clear advantage in
    this competition. Over the past several years, we have seen the
    successful launch of the Artemis 1 mission, with Artemis 2 and 3
    scheduled to occur by the end of 2027. Meanwhile, commercial entities
    are launching at an unprecedented rate, significantly expanding our
    overall national capacity to reach space. In short, this is our race to
    lose.

    Related: NASA's Artemis program: Everything you need to know

    Given the progress that the United States has made in developing space infrastructure and capabilities in recent years, why are we at risk of
    being surpassed? Dean Cheng of the U.S. Institute of Peace told us
    thatpart of the problem is, “while people are interested in space, it is
    not as in the public imagination and concern as it was during the Space
    Race of the 1960s, when there were space launches every few weeks.
    Ironically, because space has become more routinized, there is less
    concern about competition.” With so many other major national issues
    that hold center stage, the Administration and Congress also do not
    appear to be appropriately focused and motivated in what truly
    constitutes the new Space Race. Stable bipartisan support remains, but
    we seem to lack a sense of national urgency.

    Nevertheless, unlike most domestic programs, our plan to send humans to
    the moon and Mars is something of a "unicorn" in our divisive political environment. It represents a program and an objective that has had
    strong bipartisan support for over a decade. This rare example of
    political solidarity should not be ignored. It should be embraced as
    evidence that our elected officials can unite on some issues — and in so doing, help to solidify our national standing for decades to come.

    However, we must not repeat the policy mistakes of the Apollo program of
    the 1960s and early 1970s. While Apollo successfully landed crews on the
    moon by the end of the 1960s, it was not a sustainable program from a
    budgetary or political perspective. Upwards of 4%of the annual federal
    budget was committed to Apollo (as compared to NASA's current budget of
    less than 0.5% of the federal budget). The program also only had one significant political objective — to beat the Soviet Union to the moon.
    It succeeded spectacularly in this regard. It was unquestionably a major milestone in human history. But after its success and the realization
    that the Soviet Union was abandoning its lunar aspirations, there
    remained little political motivation to continue the program, and it was abruptly halted.

    RELATED STORIES:
    — 'We're in a space race:' NASA chief says US 'better watch out' for China

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    — US must beat China back to the moon, Congress tells NASA

    NASA's current budget is unlikely to increase dramatically in the near
    future, but the United States can nevertheless still build a sustainable program that ensures that we retain our hard-earned status as the
    preeminent space nation. Rather than the military-like campaign of the
    Apollo program, we have a chance to prevail by harnessing the ingenuity
    and capabilities of our U.S. commercial industry and our international partners. By doing so, we simultaneously advance a vital national
    interest but also stimulate innovative new markets and strengthen our international alliances.

    Are there risks? Of course. Virtually every great human accomplishment
    has required innumerable forms of risk. However, by accepting these
    risks, we will give ourselves a very real chance that the rest of the
    21st century will not only be an American century but one where we have nurtured major new markets and created stronger international relations.

    Note: An expert panel will be discussing this topic at the 2024 Humans
    to Mars Summit taking place on May 7-8, 2024 at the Jack Morton
    Auditorium, at the George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

    Join our Space Forums to keep talking space on the latest missions,
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    Chris Carberry
    Chris Carberry
    CEO and co-founder of Explore Mars, Inc.
    Chris Carberry is the CEO and co-founder of Explore Mars, Inc. (Explore
    Mars), a 501(c)(3) nonprofit space advocacy. In this role, he has
    overseen Explore Mars’ annual Humans to Mars Summit, the largest annual conference focused on sending humans to Mars, and has spearheaded dozens
    of programs, projects, and outreach efforts. Prior to joining Explore
    Mars, Carberry served as Executive Director of The Mars Society.
    Carberry has presented oral (and written) testimony to both the United
    States Senate as well as the United States House of Representatives. He
    is also the author of over 100 articles that have appeared in
    publications around the world and has been featured in over 100 national
    and international television, radio programs and podcasts. Carberry is
    the author of the 2019 book "Alcohol in Space: Past, Present and
    Future," which is currently being adapted into documentary film that
    will be released in 2023. Carberry also has two books scheduled for
    release: "Scoring Space" (2023) and "A Future Spacefaring Society" (2024).

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 25 10:01:04 2024
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    Le 2024-04-24 à 18:14, a425couple a écrit :
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    Are we prepared for Chinese preeminence on the moon and Mars? (op-ed)
    News
    By Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady published April 19, 2024
    China is moving fast in the final frontier.


    Given the crumbling Chinese economy and population regression crisis
    that China is currently experiencing, the Chinese establishing a base on
    the Moon is an highly improbable scenario. China just no longer have the
    mean of achieving that.

    China's economy is rotting from the inside with systematic fraud,
    rampant institutionalized corruption and overall inefficiency.

    The population regression crisis is ongoing and can't be corrected in a
    timely fashion. It may take over 100 years JUST to stop the regression,
    to stabilize the population. That's the unintended result of the «One
    family, one child» policy.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Thu Apr 25 10:02:09 2024
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    On 4/25/24 07:01, Kualinar wrote:
    Le 2024-04-24 à 18:14, a425couple a écrit :
    from
    https://www.space.com/chinese-preeminence-moon-mars-op-ed

    Are we prepared for Chinese preeminence on the moon and Mars? (op-ed)
    News
    By Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady published April 19, 2024
    China is moving fast in the final frontier.


    Given the crumbling Chinese economy and population regression crisis
    that China is currently experiencing, the Chinese establishing a base on
    the Moon is an highly improbable scenario. China just no longer have the
    mean of achieving that.

    China's economy is rotting from the inside with systematic fraud,
    rampant institutionalized corruption and overall inefficiency.

    The population regression crisis is ongoing and can't be corrected in a timely fashion. It may take over 100 years JUST to stop the regression,
    to stabilize the population. That's the unintended result of the «One family, one child» policy.

    IMHO, your points are valid, but it is also a fact that
    China has huge infrastructure building capacity and
    national central power dedication.

    We struggle to build a aircraft carrier every decade
    or so. For uses we have to consider our DDs as
    rare capital ships. China has no problem building
    an island and putting a airport on it.
    Their Navy out numbers ours.
    US dithers, China builds fast rail to all areas
    of their country.

    They have little problems with Congresspersons
    wanting tax cuts rather than important projects.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Apr 25 17:27:40 2024
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    On 4/25/24 12:28, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Kualinar"  wrote in message news:v0dnn2$31l48$[email protected]...

    Le 2024-04-24 à 18:14, a425couple a écrit :
    from
    https://www.space.com/chinese-preeminence-moon-mars-op-ed

    Are we prepared for Chinese preeminence on the moon and Mars? (op-ed)
    News
    By Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady published April 19, 2024
    China is moving fast in the final frontier.


    Given the crumbling Chinese economy and population regression crisis
    that China is currently experiencing, the Chinese establishing a base on
    the Moon is an highly improbable scenario. China just no longer have the
    mean of achieving that.

    China's economy is rotting from the inside with systematic fraud,
    rampant institutionalized corruption and overall inefficiency.

    The population regression crisis is ongoing and can't be corrected in a timely fashion. It may take over 100 years JUST to stop the regression,
    to stabilize the population. That's the unintended result of the «One family, one child» policy.

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    That's exactly the type of situation where a desperate government
    invents a distraction to regain popular support.
    Haven't you noticed how far inept leftists will go to convince
    themselves they are superior to more productive people.

    Yes.
    One can argue that a couple years ago Russia's "economy is rotting
    from the inside with systematic fraud, rampant institutionalized
    corruption and overall inefficiency (while also having) a population
    regression crisis".
    So, they certainly would not be stupid enough to invade a neighboring
    country like Ukraine.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 27 11:06:14 2024
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    Le 2024-04-25 à 15:28, Jim Wilkins a écrit :
    "Kualinar"  wrote in message news:v0dnn2$31l48$[email protected]...

    Le 2024-04-24 à 18:14, a425couple a écrit :
    from
    https://www.space.com/chinese-preeminence-moon-mars-op-ed

    Are we prepared for Chinese preeminence on the moon and Mars? (op-ed)
    News
    By Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady published April 19, 2024
    China is moving fast in the final frontier.


    Given the crumbling Chinese economy and population regression crisis
    that China is currently experiencing, the Chinese establishing a base on
    the Moon is an highly improbable scenario. China just no longer have the
    mean of achieving that.

    China's economy is rotting from the inside with systematic fraud,
    rampant institutionalized corruption and overall inefficiency.

    The population regression crisis is ongoing and can't be corrected in a timely fashion. It may take over 100 years JUST to stop the regression,
    to stabilize the population. That's the unintended result of the «One family, one child» policy.

    -----------------------------

    That's exactly the type of situation where a desperate government
    invents a distraction to regain popular support.
    Haven't you noticed how far inept leftists will go to convince
    themselves they are superior to more productive people.

    Inept rightists do the same.

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