• interesting Quora, ISIS v. Russia

    From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 28 11:01:34 2024
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    Big question, is the Russian FSB already so overwhelmed........?

    Izzy Luggs
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    Former Sergeant at 212th Field Artillery Brigade (1973–1981)Mon
    Monday - 24 March 2024 - 08:52 USMT

    By uploading videos and photographs of Muslim terrorists being beaten to
    a pulp and one having his ear cut off, the Russian FSB has managed in
    their brilliance to open a second front in Russia’s war efforts.

    As of this morning ISIS issued a formal declaration of war against
    Russia and personally swore to kill Vladimir Putin. Ironically enough,
    the declaration emanated from one of Russia’s staunchest backers and
    major supplier of drones - Iran.

    A friend in St. Petersburg sent along a digital copy of a paper flyer
    magically appearing on the streets of their city and Moscow this
    morning. It’s also been posted to Telegram.

    It’s going to be damned difficult for the Kremlin to successfully wage
    war while suicide bombers are blowing up Russian cities.

    Scott Jenkins
    · Mon
    If its only putin and his twisted government targeted then great but unfortunately its the citizens that will suffer most. If the response
    times go the most recent then they are screwed. A homing pigeon with a
    broken wing could have responded faster.

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    James Carey
    · Mon
    “ . . . its the citizens that will suffer most.”

    The Russian people need to join the Russian resistance so that they can
    defend them and be able to arm and defend themselves. They can fight
    both the tyrant (Putin) and the terrorists (ISIS). At least that way,
    instead of being just sitting ducks, if they go down at least they’ll
    know that they will have to go down swinging.

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    John Svegroth
    · Mon
    That's the price you have to pay for being clinically apolitical.

    That's the price you have to pay for being clinically apolitical.

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    Tamaiva Tuavera
    · Mon
    Mr Scott Jenkins have you forgotten what Russia is doing to the citizens
    of Ukraine and you feel sorry for the Russian citizens. I say to the terrorists….keep it up.

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    Dave Charles
    · Mon
    The Russian police are too busy following around and arresting people
    for putting flowers on Navalny’s grave and holding up anti-war signs.

    The citizens put up with their government without any resistance. Putin
    has brought chaos, death, and economic ruin but they keep supporting him.

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    Michael Grambauer
    · Mon
    only if it was flying backwards.

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    Louis Keep
    · Mon
    What I love is how tough guys think that stuff like due process, war
    crime trials and the Geneva convention makes militaries soft… It's the absolute opposite - it's harder NOT to brutally kick the shit out of
    your prisoner or simply slot them there and then or disappear them into
    a system of death camps - that's the easy way.

    And the kicker is is that the nice way works. People who are treated
    nicely generally reciprocate. And people treated horribly again
    reciprocate. And now by treating people horribly the FSB have simply
    made martyrs of their prisoners and inspired others towards revenge.

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    Fritz Wuethrich
    · Mon
    Yes, in violent agreement.

    It requires the homo sapient big brain to work first before the
    small/old brain. That's tough for most who live violence day-to-day

    Henriikka Keskinen
    · Mon
    It's fair to say that things are getting out of control.

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    Paul Harvey
    · Mon
    An understatement a British person can truly appreciate.

    Perfect.

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    Zuricrq Satlz
    · Mon
    Whatever ru has put in, they will get back.

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    Jim
    · Mon
    The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy

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    Chris Paxton
    · Mon
    Anything bad that happens in ruzzia now is down to Putin.

    He has been targeting the wrong people for the last couple of years, and throwing away ruzzia's resources.

    Now his forces are stretched to the limit and ISIS have decided they are
    weak enough to have a go.

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    Roman Mikolaevna
    · Mon
    Chris, they are not stretched to the limit. The limit was during
    Stalingrad, where they came out on top, and then defeated Japan in lower Manchuria. They aren't even attacking in earnest in Ukraine, and
    certainly not with all their power. However, they are MOVING towards
    that, and that's something the rest of the world should take into consideration. I mean, they still have more nukes than any other
    country, even if half don't work. They could literally end humanity with
    the press of a button. Let's try to not forget that as I would like to
    see my daughters grow up.

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    David Peters
    · Mon
    They moved most of their Ground Forces into Ukraine and have lost the
    majority (around 60%) of their equipment in various categories including armoured vehicles.

    Remember, there are long borders to protect from countries with better historical claims than Russia has to Ukraine. And now, they have to
    defend all the cities and towns from IS attacks because those guys will
    not give up and will not be deterred by a few armed militias.

    In Ukraine mobilising more cucumbers for mass attacks with basic
    infantry weapons is of course an option.

    But they have given it a try and found that attacking their neighbour
    and dominating them is not so easy.

    The fascists have been shamed and have acted like you would expect,
    doubling down.

    They have now grabbed some Muslim construction workers for torture and confessions to link them to Ukraine.

    Apparently Ukraine was going to open a 1 hour window for them to pass
    through. This suggests (once youvhave stopped laughing) there are no
    Russian Ground Forces on that road or area. Wow, the average citizen
    must be scared if Ukrainians can just walk through Russia!

    An absolute mess over which Putin presides, the clown dismissed the
    attack warnings because powerful fascists do not heed warnings, they
    ridicule the Warner as being weak and then there is a big explosion.
    This is a bad movie dictator tactic.

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    Roman Mikolaevna
    · Mon
    “They lost about 60% of their equipment" This is where I stopped reading
    your uninformed comment David. Let me guess, another typical American
    who has never stepped foot in Eastern Europe before but knows more about Russian logistics and resources than Russians? Let me guess, you are
    married to a Rus…
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    David W
    Roman you should have kept reading you may have learned something. Is it certain Russia would have defeated Germany on the Eastern front without
    the vast quantity of Allied materiel supplied to them? Also if what you
    say is accurate why has Putin held back so much of his offensive ability
    in Ukraine so far? Is it because he is being compassionate or
    statesmanlike? What do you propose is the reason for holding back so
    much, and when will he start to deploy all this unused military resource? Profile photo for MR FAFO
    MR FAFO
    · Mon
    They had all of Ukraine on their side.

    Roman Mikolaevna
    Lol. All of Ukraine.. on Russia's side… you are being serious right?

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 31 12:51:29 2024
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    On 3/28/24 11:01, a425couple wrote:
    Big question, is the Russian FSB already so overwhelmed........?

    Izzy Luggs
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    Former Sergeant at 212th Field Artillery Brigade (1973–1981)Mon
    Monday - 24 March 2024 - 08:52 USMT

    By uploading videos and photographs of Muslim terrorists being beaten to
    a pulp and one having his ear cut off, the Russian FSB has managed in
    their brilliance to open a second front in Russia’s war efforts.

    a kind of similar Quora

    Tomaž Vargazon
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    What is the probability that ISIS is simply stealing credit for the
    terribly deadly Moscow terrorist attack?
    Not zero, but rather low. I think the official version of events -
    Islamic terrorists struck a Moscow venue and caught the regime off guard
    - is correct.

    Here's why it almost certainly wasn't an FSB false flag: Putin went
    missing for almost 24 hours. He gave no speech, no statement, just his
    press representative wished the injured a speedy recovery. He was AWOL
    in other words. The only explanation is he bailed immediately to a safe location and stayed in his bunker until it was safe to come out. If it
    were a false flag Putin would milk it for all it's worth, projecting an
    image of courage and strength. We certainly wouldn't see the image of a frightened old man, running.

    Ukranians being behind the attack is even more ludicrous. They had
    nothing to gain by attacking Russian civilians and if they really wanted
    to do something like that they have drones that can be as effective.

    Therefore a group of terrorists in Russia struck a concert venue.
    Something very much like that happened in 2003 in Nord Ost theatre and
    the response was similarly dull. Back then most people died in a botched attempt to end the siege. This time the responders only arrived after perpetrators had already fled, so they at least didn't make it worse.

    It has all the hallmarks of Islamic terrorism and shows in no uncertain
    terms what Russian security agencies are for: suppression of internal
    dissent. Anything that isn't unarmed civilians out trying to be heard is
    beyond their training and capability to deal with.

    They know how to beat those up though. But when it's actual bad guys
    they simply fold under the pressure.

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