Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly >>>> to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly >>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and >>>>> even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you >>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless, >>> I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear >>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat and you can't stop.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly >>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and >>>>> even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you >>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless, >>> I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear >>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat and you can't stop.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly >>>>> to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and >>>>> even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who installed >>>> a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you >>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless, >>> I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear >>> and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes overheat
and you can't stop.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
On 3/3/2022 3:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
Smart drivers know when engine braking is needed and when not. Depends
on conditions but it is not good practice to do all the time.
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather than
keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills is just
stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, definitely better than over-reving.
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev <[email protected]> >wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think >>>>> you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his >>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace >>>> than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600,
Paul in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine
is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and
today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then
engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds
was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a
piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person
who installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I
would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only
9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance,
but regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower
than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached his lot, and immediately told me that breaks were
a lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approachedRather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to
replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.
But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.
That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approachedRather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to
replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.
But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear. Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.
That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
But at the cost of engine wear. I don't know the $$ figure but there is one. Brakes are pretty cheap though.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in
Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is
driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think >>>>>> you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles >>>>>> on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd >>>>>> gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached
his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to
replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat,
and I think this Citroen has 4-wheel disks.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.
That would have been next to impossible.
Thhe hills show up quickly and unexpectedly.
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approachedRather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to
replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear.
Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
But at the cost of engine wear. I don't know the $$ figure but there is
one. Brakes are pretty cheap though.
You ALWAYS come over the crest and can see what is in front of you.
In article <[email protected]>, Jacob Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
You ALWAYS come over the crest and can see what is in front of you.
Unfortunately sometimes it is a giant truck passing another vehicle and headed straight for you in your lane.
--scott
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:36:46 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>> his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to >>>>>> replace than engine and clutch.Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear.
Mindlessly simplistic. In the real world, engines last longer
doing lots of long trips rather than short ones around town.
And the reality is that modern car engines hardly
ever need replacing due to wear anymore.
Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
Or those like you not understanding how engines work.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
On 3/3/2022 8:41 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:36:46 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as IRather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a
lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red
lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear.
Mindlessly simplistic. In the real world, engines last longer
doing lots of long trips rather than short ones around town.
And the reality is that modern car engines hardly
ever need replacing due to wear anymore.
Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
Or those like you not understanding how engines work.
The one likely to downshift and cause high rpms are more likely to wear
an engine faster. There are still rebuilders out there as there is a
need. Certainly not like years ago, but I bet more than you think.
Having done a couple of complete rebuilds, I have a pretty good idea how
they work. My brother had 26 cars so we did a lot of work on them.
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and >>>>>> even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who installed >>>>> a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think you >>>> came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but regardless, >>>> I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is
driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would
think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd >>>>> gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached
his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to
replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.
But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.
That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather than
keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills is just
stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, definitely better
than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think >>>>>> you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd >>>>>> gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his >>>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace >>>>> than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen has 4-wheel disks.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly
and unexpectedly.
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars
now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep hills.
On 3/3/2022 8:41 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:36:46 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:Mindlessly simplistic. In the real world, engines last longer
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>>> his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>> replace than engine and clutch.Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red
lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear.
doing lots of long trips rather than short ones around town.
And the reality is that modern car engines hardly
ever need replacing due to wear anymore.
Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
Or those like you not understanding how engines work.
The one likely to downshift and cause highrpms are more likely to wear
an engine faster.
There are still rebuilders out there as there is a need.
Certainly not like years ago, but I bet more than you think.
Having done a couple of complete rebuilds, I have a pretty good idea how
they work. My brother had 26 cars so we did a lot of work on them.
On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:49:46 -0800, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace
than engine and clutch.
The first vehicles I learned to drive in the early 1960's were all stick shift, and I was taught the rule listed above.
I've never forgotten it.
It was true then and it's true now.
I still remember one summer when my friend and I (I was 12, he was 13)
got hired to drive trucks and other implements on a neighboring farm,
and my friend used to slip the clutch on a regular basis, prompting the farmer to yell, "The clutch has two positions! In or out! Stop slipping
the damned clutch!" He never had to tell me that. :-)
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in
Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is
driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would
think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles >>>>>> on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd >>>>>> gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached
his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to
replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and clutch. If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe it's time to re-learn
how to drive.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather thanBut perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills is just
stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, definitely better
than over-reving.
On 3/3/2022 8:41 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 10:36:46 +1100, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 5:51 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>>> his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>> replace than engine and clutch.Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>> overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining. >>
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
More rpm = more wear.
Mindlessly simplistic. In the real world, engines last longer
doing lots of long trips rather than short ones around town.
And the reality is that modern car engines hardly
ever need replacing due to wear anymore.
Can't change the laws of physics and friction.
Or those like you not understanding how engines work.
The one likely to downshift and cause high rpms are more likely to wear
an engine faster. There are still rebuilders out there as there is a
need. Certainly not like years ago, but I bet more than you think.
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in Houston >>>>>>> TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving >>>>>>>>> the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 >>>>>>>>> and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston rod >>>>>>>> destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would think >>>>>>> you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 miles on >>>>>>> it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than 3rd >>>>>>> gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached his >>>>>> lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to replace >>>>>> than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my >>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen has
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially
overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate. Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will
overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly
and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of others >around you.
On 3/3/2022 13:47, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
It doesn't matter; it still involves too high of an RPM, which can cause >engine damage.
I try not to habitually downshift for engine braking, but that depends
on the car. If a car has a weak or failing braking system, I'm more
likely to downshift, but not anywhere near where the red line would be.
Weak clutch, and you'd better be more generous with the brakes.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>> think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>> 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>>> his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to
replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did >>>>> my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen
has
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially
overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate. Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will
overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly
and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of others
around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in
a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position
to tell me stuff like this.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 00:45:37 -0500, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 13:47, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
micky wrote:
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is driving the >>>> wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went briefly >>>> to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
It doesn't matter; it still involves too high of an RPM, which can cause
engine damage.
I try not to habitually downshift for engine braking, but that depends
on the car. If a car has a weak or failing braking system, I'm more
likely to downshift, but not anywhere near where the red line would be.
Weak clutch, and you'd better be more generous with the brakes.
The rentacar companies ought to give include a little primer on driving
when they give you the car. It wouldn't only have to be 5 or 10
sentence. The roads and the laws are a little different from the US.
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars
now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep hills.
1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really should have known better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I was lucky.
Later on I drove a car with brake problems. I still pulse the brakes,
mainly to make sure they still work before I NEED to use them. Some
habits just don't die.
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>> think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>> 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>>>> his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>>> replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>> overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did >>>>>> my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen
has
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially
overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate. Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will
overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of the >>>> car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to doThat would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red line. >>>>
and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of others >>> around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in
a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position
to tell me stuff like this.
We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have
a warning sign so you can change down before descending.
On 3/4/2022 1:57, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my >>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars
now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep hills.
1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really should have known
better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I was lucky.
I don't think disc brakes were even an option until the late 60's, but >perhaps someone else could be more certain.
Out of curiosity, did your Olds have power or manual brakes? I owned a
'56 Olds 88 with power brakes, but I never drove it (except onto/off of
a trailer); the booster was gone, as well as other parts. Hopefully the
next guy restored it as the car deserved. It had manual steering.
Most of my older cars still have manual brakes. I currently have a '65
Ford Galaxie with manual drum brakes around. I also have a '75 Dodge
Dart with manual brakes, but it has manual discs in the front. The
Galaxie has manual steering, and it's a bear to parallel park.
Later on I drove a car with brake problems. I still pulse the brakes,
mainly to make sure they still work before I NEED to use them. Some
habits just don't die.
I do the same thing, even in newer cars. That's a good habit to have,
either way.
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky <[email protected]>
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones" >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real BevI've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen >>>>> has
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>> piston
rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>>> think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>>> 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached
his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>>>> replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>>> overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- >>>>>>> did
my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned. >>>>>
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially
overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.
Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will
overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much >>>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of
the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red
line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly >>>>> and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of
others
around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in
a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position
to tell me stuff like this.
We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have
a warning sign so you can change down before descending.
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
In article <[email protected]>, Jacob Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
In the US you can tell from the red fluid all over the road and the
pieces
of bell housings and torque converters scattered along the shoulder.
In article <[email protected]>, Jacob Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
In the US you can tell from the red fluid all over the road and the
pieces
of bell housings and torque converters scattered along the shoulder.
But he is currently in europe.
In article <[email protected]>, Jacob Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 11:32:44 +1100, Scott Dorsey <[email protected]>
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>, Jacob Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
In the US you can tell from the red fluid all over the road and the
pieces
of bell housings and torque converters scattered along the shoulder.
But he is currently in europe.
He went all the way to Europe just so he could destroy a Citroen?
Sheesh.
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 19:08:56 -0500, Michael Trew <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 1:57, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really should have known
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my >>>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars >>>> now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep hills. >>>
better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I was lucky.
I don't think disc brakes were even an option until the late 60's, but >>perhaps someone else could be more certain.
Out of curiosity, did your Olds have power or manual brakes? I owned a
I had a '50 Olds also. I don't think they came with power brakes. But
it did stop okay. They did have the possibility of Back-up lights. I
found some at a junk yard and installed them. And they did have the possibility of an automatic headlight dimmer, based on the lights from
the on-coming car. I only read about that.
The new or nearly new features of the '50 were a high-compression (8.5
to 1, iirc) production v-8 engine, and an automatic transmission.
Later on I drove a car with brake problems. I still pulse the brakes,
mainly to make sure they still work before I NEED to use them. Some
habits just don't die.
I do the same thing, even in newer cars. That's a good habit to have, >>either way.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 09:12:09 +1100, micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky <[email protected]>
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones" >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real BevI've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen >>>>>> has
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>> piston
rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>>>> think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>>>> 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached
his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>>>>> replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>>>> overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- >>>>>>>> did
my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned. >>>>>>
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially
overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.
Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will
overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much >>>>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of >>>>>> the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of
overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red
line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly >>>>>> and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of
others
around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in >>>> a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position >>>> to tell me stuff like this.
We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have
a warning sign so you can change down before descending.
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:21:19 +1100, "Jacob Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 09:12:09 +1100, micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky <[email protected]>
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob Jones" >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real BevI've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this Citroen >>>>>>> has
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>>> piston
rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>>>>> think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!! >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached
his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>>>>>> replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>>>>> overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- >>>>>>>>> did
my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned. >>>>>>>
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially >>>>>> overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.
Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will >>>>>> overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes much >>>>>>> less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of >>>>>>> the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of >>>>>>> overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red >>>>>>>> line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up quickly >>>>>>> and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of
others
around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe in >>>>> a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a position >>>>> to tell me stuff like this.
We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have
a warning sign so you can change down before descending.
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
There were no signs. We don't need no stinkin' signs, or maybe we do
but we don't have them where I go.
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:21:19 +1100, "Jacob Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 09:12:09 +1100, micky <[email protected]>
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 05 Mar 2022 08:25:06 +1100, "Jacob Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 06:01:22 +1100, micky <[email protected]>
wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:26:57 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 10:13 am, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:53:35 +1100, "Jacob
Jones"
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:38:21 +1100, The Real Bev
<[email protected]>
wrote:
On 03/03/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today,
for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went
briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5000
and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>>> piston
rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed
a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I >>>>>>>>>>>> would
think
you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!! >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower >>>>>>>>>>>> than
3rd
gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached
his
lot, and immediately told me that breaks were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>>>>>> replace
than engine and clutch.
Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>>>>> overheat
and you can't stop.
If that's happening you DESERVE to crash.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- >>>>>>>>> did
my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson
learned.
I've heard that disk brakes don't overheat, and I think this
Citroen
has
4-wheel disks.
*All* brakes are energy converters hence all brakes can potentially >>>>>> overheat. Brakes, of any type, can only shed heat at a set rate.
Exceed
the rate of heat input that the brakes can accommodate and you will >>>>>> overheat any kind of brake system.
Which is presumably why micky changed down.
No, it was so that I'd use mostly the engine and use the brakes
much
less and have them in reserve if... if a child ran out in front of >>>>>>> the
car, for example, or a car pulled in front of me, or whatever.
Change your driving habits!
I had used the brakes so little at that point there was chance of >>>>>>> overheating even drum brakes.
I repeat, change your driving habits.
All he needs to do
is chang down earlier, before the steep drop, so it doesn't red >>>>>>>> line.
That would have been next to impossible. Thhe hills show up
quickly
and unexpectedly.
Once again, change your driving habits. Better still, go take a
defensive driving course. Not for your benefit but the benefit of
others
around you.
You and Jacob can come with me the next time I make this trip, maybe >>>>> in
a few days, and then you'll have enough facts to maybe be in a
position
to tell me stuff like this.
We don't need to. There are no steep descents that don't have
a warning sign so you can change down before descending.
Do you mean a literal sign, with writing on it?
In quite a bit of europe, more likely a graphic because they have
so many languages.
Either way, you don't know the world as well as you think you do.
Easy to google steep descent signs.
There were no signs.
We don't need no stinkin' signs, or maybe we do
but we don't have them where I go.
On 03/05/2022 02:20 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 19:08:56 -0500, Michael Trew
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 1:57, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really should have known >>>> better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I was lucky.
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road -- did my >>>>>> brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars >>>>> now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep hills. >>>>
I don't think disc brakes were even an option until the late 60's, but >>>perhaps someone else could be more certain.
Out of curiosity, did your Olds have power or manual brakes? I owned a
I had a '50 Olds also. I don't think they came with power brakes. But
it did stop okay. They did have the possibility of Back-up lights. I
found some at a junk yard and installed them. And they did have the
possibility of an automatic headlight dimmer, based on the lights from
the on-coming car. I only read about that.
Mine certainly had no power brakes. Drums all the way around. No power >steering either. 8-cylinder engine which I once got up to 100 mph on
the long easy downhill pointing at Huntington (I think) Beach. It felt
squirrelly, as I recall, and I backed off immediately. (100 mph in a
Corolla is perfectly fine.) The car ultimately developed a lot of
problems which I had workarounds for, but I ultimately sold it to a
"fine Cherman VW mechanic" who was sure he could fix it. A friend saw
it at the local wrecking yard a few weeks later.
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with steel wool.
You guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need to have
their broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
The new or nearly new features of the '50 were a high-compression (8.5
to 1, iirc) production v-8 engine, and an automatic transmission.
I learned to drive stick on a friend's 1938 (maybe) Ford. Looked like a
Brit taxicab. Later on I had my own 50 Chevy with an add-on floor stick >shift, apparently installed and driven by a chimp. That's the one whose >freeze plugs I replaced. Sold that one to a sailor on leave for the $50
I paid for it.
Later on I drove a car with brake problems. I still pulse the brakes,
mainly to make sure they still work before I NEED to use them. Some
habits just don't die.
I do the same thing, even in newer cars. That's a good habit to have, >>>either way.
At the very least it's a warning in advance of need to the guy behind you.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red lining. >>>
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in
Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is
driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, for >>>>>>>>> example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>> 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who
installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would
think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000
miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>> 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>> his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to >>>>>> replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and clutch. If
a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe it's time to
re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to descend
steep hills.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather thanBut perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills is just
stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, definitely better
than over-reving.
On 03/05/2022 02:20 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 19:08:56 -0500, Michael Trew
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 1:57, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a mountain road --
did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted. Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc brakes; many cars >>>>> now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the brakes on steep
hills.
1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really should have known >>>> better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I was lucky.
I don't think disc brakes were even an option until the late 60's, but
perhaps someone else could be more certain.
Out of curiosity, did your Olds have power or manual brakes? I owned a
I had a '50 Olds also. I don't think they came with power brakes. But
it did stop okay. They did have the possibility of Back-up lights. I
found some at a junk yard and installed them. And they did have the
possibility of an automatic headlight dimmer, based on the lights from
the on-coming car. I only read about that.
Mine certainly had no power brakes. Drums all the way around. No power steering either. 8-cylinder engine which I once got up to 100 mph on the
long easy downhill pointing at Huntington (I think) Beach. It felt squirrelly, as I recall, and I backed off immediately. (100 mph in a
Corolla is perfectly fine.) The car ultimately developed a lot of
problems which I had workarounds for, but I ultimately sold it to a
"fine Cherman VW mechanic" who was sure he could fix it. A friend saw it
at the local wrecking yard a few weeks later.
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with steel wool. You
guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need to have their broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>> driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and today, >>>>>>>>>> for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine went >>>>>>>>>> briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>> 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a piston >>>>>>>>> rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>> installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>> think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000
miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but
regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>> 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I approached >>>>>>> his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a lot cheaper to >>>>>>> replace than engine and clutch.
overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and clutch. If
a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe it's time to
re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to descend
steep hills.
No,
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using the
service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down on a
hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a steady speed down a steep hill.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheat
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be avoided.
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional application
of the service brakes is advised but no more than is required to
maintain a steady speed.
That way you neither damage your engine
or needlessly overheat the service brakes.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather than
keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills is just >>>>> stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, definitely better
than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Mar 2022 21:51:10 -0800, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:
The car ultimately developed a lot of
problems which I had workarounds for, but I ultimately sold it to a
"fine Cherman VW mechanic" who was sure he could fix it. A friend saw
it at the local wrecking yard a few weeks later.
Mine still worked fine, but my brother had gone to Viet Nam and lent,
then gave me his '65 Catalina convertiable. And as much as I like the
Olds, I like the Pontiac better. So I gave or sold it for $50 to a guy
I'd met because he had a car like mine. He had two, and after he had
mine, he had 3. I hated to promote his nerdish hobby (details on
request), but it needed a home.
On 7/3/2022 2:58 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:Fraid so.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>>> overheat and you can't stop.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>> driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and >>>>>>>>>>>> today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>>> went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>>> 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>> piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>> installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>>> think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>>> 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a >>>>>>>>> lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
He was right.
lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine. >>>>>> But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
That should not be general practice if you care about your
vehicle.
So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and clutch.
If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe it's time to >>>>> re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to descend
steep hills.
No,
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using the
service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down on a
hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
Wrong with a long steep descent.
You slow down *before* you begin your descent.
Once into the descent at an *appropriate speed*, you only use the
service brakes to maintain the rate of descent, the engine braking
taking care of the rest.
It's obvious you have never driven trucks.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a
steady speed down a steep hill.
Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.
Again, that's when you *briefly* apply the service brakes.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheatWhat I said long ago.
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be avoided.
Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent
goes for.
Whether you get brake fade depends on your approach to the descent;how
you manage your speed, both when entering and during the descent.
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional
application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is
required to maintain a steady speed.
No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.
Again, you appear never to have driven trucks or,for that matter, any
heavy vehicle.
That way you neither damage your engine
You don't need a steady speed to avoid damaging the engine,
just don't exceed the redline.
or needlessly overheat the service brakes.
What I said long ago.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather
than keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills >>>>>>> is just stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway,
definitely better than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the brakes >>>>>>> overheat and you can't stop.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul in >>>>>>>>> Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>> driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and
today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>> went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was at >>>>>>>>>>> 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a
piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>> installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I would >>>>>>>>> think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower than >>>>>>>>> 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a >>>>>>>> lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
He was right.
lining.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine. >>>>> But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your vehicle. >>>>> That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear.
So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and clutch.
If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe it's time to
re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to descend
steep hills.
No,
Fraid so.
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using the
service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down on a
hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
Wrong with a long steep descent.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a
steady speed down a steep hill.
Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheat
What I said long ago.
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be avoided.
Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent goes for.
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional
application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is
required to maintain a steady speed.
No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.
That way you neither damage your engine
You don't need a steady speed to avoid damaging the engine,
just don't exceed the redline.
or needlessly overheat the service brakes.
What I said long ago.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather
than keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down hills
is just stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway,
definitely better than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:56:35 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:58 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:Fraid so.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]>So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and
wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red >>>>>>> lining.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul >>>>>>>>>>> in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>>> driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>>>> went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was >>>>>>>>>>>>> at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>> piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>>> installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I >>>>>>>>>>> would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!!
This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower >>>>>>>>>>> than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a >>>>>>>>>> lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
brakes overheat and you can't stop.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your engine. >>>>>>> But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear. >>>>>>
That should not be general practice if you care about your
vehicle.
clutch. If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe
it's time to re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to
descend steep hills.
No,
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using the
service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down on a
hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
Wrong with a long steep descent.
You slow down *before* you begin your descent.
What I said long ago.
Once into the descent at an *appropriate speed*, you only use the
service brakes to maintain the rate of descent, the engine braking
taking care of the rest.
You have that backwards.
It's obvious you have never driven trucks.
There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.
And we aren't discussing trucks, we are discussing a medium sized SUV.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a
steady speed down a steep hill.
Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.
Again, that's when you *briefly* apply the service brakes.
Or change down initially and don't need the brakes if it is a long steep descent.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheatWhat I said long ago.
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be avoided.
Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent
goes for.
Whether you get brake fade depends on your approach to the
descent;how you manage your speed, both when entering and during the
descent.
But you don't get brake fade with a modern car like that unless it is a
long steep descent.
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional
application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is
required to maintain a steady speed.
No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.
Again, you appear never to have driven trucks or,for that matter, any
heavy vehicle.
Then you need new glasses bad and that is irrelevant to
your silly line about a constant speed. Only a fool like you
would maintain a constant speed in a truck or heavy vehicle,
at the speed it has to do the worst hairpin bend at and there
is no way to know what speed that will be in advance anyway.
That way you neither damage your engine
You don't need a steady speed to avoid damaging the engine,
just don't exceed the redline.
or needlessly overheat the service brakes.
What I said long ago.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather >>>>>>>> than keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down
hills is just stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, >>>>>>>> definitely better than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
On 7/3/2022 4:07 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:56:35 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:58 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:What I said long ago.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:Fraid so.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any red >>>>>>>> lining.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the >>>>>>>>>> brakes overheat and you can't stop.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul >>>>>>>>>>>> in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine?
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>>> piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person who >>>>>>>>>>>>> installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I >>>>>>>>>>>> would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!! >>>>>>>>>>>> This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only 9000 >>>>>>>>>>>> miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, but >>>>>>>>>>>> regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower >>>>>>>>>>>> than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I
approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were a >>>>>>>>>>> lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage yourBut changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
engine.
That should not be general practice if you care about yourThat's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear. >>>>>>>
vehicle.
clutch. If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe
it's time to re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to
descend steep hills.
No,
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using the
service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down on a
hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
Wrong with a long steep descent.
You slow down *before* you begin your descent.
Once into the descent at an *appropriate speed*, you only use the
service brakes to maintain the rate of descent, the engine braking
taking care of the rest.
You have that backwards.
You don't appear to have it at all.
It's obvious you have never driven trucks.
There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.
And we aren't discussing trucks, we are discussing a medium sized SUV.
Techniques are the same,
just way more critical with a fully loaded truck.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a
steady speed down a steep hill.
Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.
Again, that's when you *briefly* apply the service brakes.
Or change down initially and don't need the brakes if it is a long
steep descent.
You appear to be somewhat clueless.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheat
What I said long ago.
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be
avoided.
Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent
goes for.
Whether you get brake fade depends on your approach to the
descent;how you manage your speed, both when entering and during the
descent.
But you don't get brake fade with a modern car like that unless it is
a long steep descent.
Only one thing I can say in response to that - BULLSHIT!
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional
application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is
required to maintain a steady speed.
No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.
Again, you appear never to have driven trucks or,for that matter, any
heavy vehicle.
Then you need new glasses bad and that is irrelevant to
your silly line about a constant speed. Only a fool like you
would maintain a constant speed in a truck or heavy vehicle,
at the speed it has to do the worst hairpin bend at and there
is no way to know what speed that will be in advance anyway.
You are just trying to confuse the situation.
That way you neither damage your engine
You don't need a steady speed to avoid damaging the engine,
just don't exceed the redline.
or needlessly overheat the service brakes.
What I said long ago.
If your brakes fail on a steep hill, OK. But doing that rather >>>>>>>>> than keeping your speed below the over-rev point going down
hills is just stupid. Use your brakes for exiting the freeway, >>>>>>>>> definitely better than over-reving.
But perfectly possible to not over rev in that situation.
On 3/6/2022 0:51, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/05/2022 02:20 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 04 Mar 2022 19:08:56 -0500,
Michael Trew
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 1:57, The Real Bev wrote:
On 03/03/2022 09:51 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/3/2022 17:38, The Real Bev wrote:
Only once -- the very first time I drove down a
mountain road --
did my
brakes get too hot to stop as quickly as I wanted.
Lesson learned.
That's a pretty rare occurrence these days with disc
brakes; many cars
now have rear disc brakes also. When I first drove a
car (recently)
with 4 wheel manual drum brakes, I quickly learned why
people
(especially older drives) teach you to pulse the
brakes on steep
hills.
1950 Olds 88. Did they even have disks then? I really
should have known
better, but I'd never driven a mountain road before. I
was lucky.
I don't think disc brakes were even an option until the
late 60's, but
perhaps someone else could be more certain.
Out of curiosity, did your Olds have power or manual
brakes? I owned a
I had a '50 Olds also. I don't think they came with power
brakes. But
it did stop okay. They did have the possibility of
Back-up lights. I
found some at a junk yard and installed them. And they
did have the
possibility of an automatic headlight dimmer, based on
the lights from
the on-coming car. I only read about that.
Mine certainly had no power brakes. Drums all the way
around. No power
steering either. 8-cylinder engine which I once got up to
100 mph on the
long easy downhill pointing at Huntington (I think) Beach.
It felt
squirrelly, as I recall, and I backed off immediately.
(100 mph in a
Corolla is perfectly fine.) The car ultimately developed a
lot of
problems which I had workarounds for, but I ultimately
sold it to a
"fine Cherman VW mechanic" who was sure he could fix it. A
friend saw it
at the local wrecking yard a few weeks later.
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the
whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with
steel wool. You
guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need
to have their
broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
The vehicles that I have with chrome bumpers have rust
scattered on parts of the chrome. I'll have to see if steel
wool cleans that up.
On 3/6/2022 9:58 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/6/2022 0:51, The Real Bev wrote:
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the
whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with
steel wool. You
guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need
to have their
broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
The vehicles that I have with chrome bumpers have rust
scattered on parts of the chrome. I'll have to see if steel
wool cleans that up.
For surface discoloration use a chrome polish. Steel wool will leave
micro scratches and hence rust faster.
Where the chrome is broken or blistered, sand back to clean metal, acid
wash, primer and chrome spray paint (I assume you don't want to have
them stripped polished and re plated)
AMuzi wrote
Michael Trew wrote
The Real Bev wrote
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the
whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with
steel wool. You
guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need
to have their
broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
The vehicles that I have with chrome bumpers have rust
scattered on parts of the chrome. I'll have to see if steel
wool cleans that up.
For surface discoloration use a chrome polish. Steel wool will leave
micro scratches and hence rust faster.
Where the chrome is broken or blistered, sand back to clean metal, acid
wash, primer and chrome spray paint (I assume you don't want to have
them stripped polished and re plated)
Nah, not re-plated on an old beater. Both are common 4 door sedans from
the 60's/70's or beat up pick up trucks, original and worn, shot
suspension, etc. Could be restored, but an unlikely candidate, and I
don't have the money. It's just fun to drive around town.
People always honk and wave now when you roll down the road in a 60's
car.
On 3/7/2022 9:07, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/6/2022 9:58 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/6/2022 0:51, The Real Bev wrote:
My grandma never learned to drive, but she scrubbed the
whitewalls until
they looked brand new. She also cleaned the chrome with
steel wool. You
guys remember chrome, right? Back when bumpers didn't need
to have their
broken plastic covers replaced at $hundreds/each.
The vehicles that I have with chrome bumpers have rust
scattered on parts of the chrome. I'll have to see if steel
wool cleans that up.
For surface discoloration use a chrome polish. Steel wool
will leave
micro scratches and hence rust faster.
Where the chrome is broken or blistered, sand back to
clean metal, acid
wash, primer and chrome spray paint (I assume you don't
want to have
them stripped polished and re plated)
Nah, not re-plated on an old beater. Both are common 4 door
sedans from the 60's/70's or beat up pick up trucks,
original and worn, shot suspension, etc. Could be restored,
but an unlikely candidate, and I don't have the money. It's
just fun to drive around town. People always honk and wave
now when you roll down the road in a 60's car.
On 3/6/2022 15:50, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 5 Mar 2022 21:51:10 -0800, The Real Bev
<[email protected]> wrote:
The car ultimately developed a lot of
problems which I had workarounds for, but I ultimately sold it to a
"fine Cherman VW mechanic" who was sure he could fix it. A friend saw
it at the local wrecking yard a few weeks later.
Mine still worked fine, but my brother had gone to Viet Nam and lent,
then gave me his '65 Catalina convertiable. And as much as I like the
Olds, I like the Pontiac better. So I gave or sold it for $50 to a guy
I'd met because he had a car like mine. He had two, and after he had
mine, he had 3. I hated to promote his nerdish hobby (details on
request), but it needed a home.
OK, I'm curious about the "nerdish hobby" now.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 18:59:30 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/3/2022 4:07 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 15:56:35 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7/3/2022 2:58 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:What I said long ago.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2022 13:43:49 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 4/3/2022 7:48 pm, Jacob Jones wrote:Fraid so.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 17:19:58 +1100, Xeno
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2022 9:51 am, Jacob Jones wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 09:37:46 +1100, Bob F <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:So does driving that saves wear and tear on both brakes and
On 3/3/2022 12:59 PM, Jacob Jones wrote:No he was not when you change down before there will be any >>>>>>>>> red lining.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2022 07:49:46 +1100, Bob F
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/3/2022 12:03 PM, micky wrote:Rather a silly comment if you end up crashing because the >>>>>>>>>>> brakes overheat and you can't stop.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:47:28 -0600, Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Houston
TX <[email protected]> wrote:
micky wrote:So you're suggesting I shouldn't do it?
Is red-lining worse, better, or the same when the engine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is driving the
wheels as when the wheels are driving the engine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I use the engine to slow down when going down hill, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today, for
example, I put the ATransmission into 2nd and then engine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went briefly
to 5500, the apparent red line. For several seconds was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 5000 and
even longer at 4500.
I did that exiting the freeway in my last Toyota.
It sucked a valve into the combustion chamber and broke a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> piston rod
destroying the engine. I gave it away to a needy person >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who installed a
used engine and ended up with a nice car.
Unless your freeway was going very steeply down hill, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would think you
came close to the redline even less time than I have!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a 2021 or 2022 Citroen C-3. A rental with only >>>>>>>>>>>>> 9000 miles on
it, so it must be new. I think I bought the insurance, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but regardless,
I don't want to hurt the car. mAYBE I shouldnt go lower >>>>>>>>>>>>> than 3rd gear
and rely on the brakes for anything more.
A motorcycle shop owner heard me downshift to slow as I >>>>>>>>>>>> approached his lot, and immediately told me that brakes were >>>>>>>>>>>> a lot cheaper to replace than engine and clutch.
He was right.
Reving to high speeds to slow down can quickly damage your >>>>>>>>>> engine.But changing down so you don't redline doesnt.
That should not be general practice if you care about your >>>>>>>>>> vehicle.That's wrong too. Doing it properly does produce less brake wear. >>>>>>>>
clutch. If a driver has a need to brake hard, either way, maybe >>>>>>>> it's time to re-learn how to drive.
We aren't talking about braking hard, we are talking how to
descend steep hills.
No,
*we* are talking about using engine braking as opposed to using
the service brakes. You shouldn't be using the engine to slow down >>>>>> on a hill, that's what the service brakes are for.
Wrong with a long steep descent.
You slow down *before* you begin your descent.
Once into the descent at an *appropriate speed*, you only use the
service brakes to maintain the rate of descent, the engine braking
taking care of the rest.
You have that backwards.
You don't appear to have it at all.
You are pathetic.
It's obvious you have never driven trucks.
There you go again, face down in the mud, as always.
And we aren't discussing trucks, we are discussing a medium sized SUV.
Techniques are the same,
Nope.
just way more critical with a fully loaded truck.
They aren't critical on a descent which isn't signed
as a steep descent with a modern medium SUV.
What you can, and should, do is use engine brakingto maintain a >>>>>> steady speed down a steep hill.
Doesn't have to be a steady speed when the slope changes a lot.
Again, that's when you *briefly* apply the service brakes.
Or change down initially and don't need the brakes if it is a long
steep descent.
You appear to be somewhat clueless.
You don't have a fucking clue.
That is the precise scenario where your service brakes can overheat
What I said long ago.
and that is to be avoided at all costs if brake fade is to be
avoided.
Whether you get brake faded depends on how long the steep descent
goes for.
Whether you get brake fade depends on your approach to the
descent;how you manage your speed, both when entering and during
the descent.
But you don't get brake fade with a modern car like that unless it
is a long steep descent.
Only one thing I can say in response to that - BULLSHIT!
You are pathetic.
If needed, should the vehicle still speed up, an occasional
application of the service brakes is advised but no more than is
required to maintain a steady speed.
No need for a steady speed. Fine if it varies for hairpin bends etc.
Again, you appear never to have driven trucks or,for that matter,
any heavy vehicle.
Then you need new glasses bad and that is irrelevant to
your silly line about a constant speed. Only a fool like you
would maintain a constant speed in a truck or heavy vehicle,
at the speed it has to do the worst hairpin bend at and there
is no way to know what speed that will be in advance anyway.
You are just trying to confuse the situation.
You have never had a fucking clue.
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