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I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.
Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like,
and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft
ride.

Do these model labels for Masda and Nissanrefer to the suspension or are
they just catch phrases?

Do any cars give any indication in their names if they have a soft or
"sporty" ride? Especially if they make both kinds. Especially for convertibles.

Is there any central place for looking up models to learn their
suspension or do I have to reseach separately each make and model?
----

I went to cars.com to look what's available, and among the others, I
found 2 Toyota Solars, one just like mine, same year 2005, same colors
(white with tan), only half the mileage, 72,000, and it's for sale only
45 miles from here for $14,995!!

Five years ago I paid 4000 for mine. I got a low price perhaps because
check engine light was on, but others were only 6000 or 7000 Is the
rise in price because it's hard to get a convertible with a real back
seat now? And all things being equal, longer cars have softer rides.
(there are still Ford Mustangs and Chevy Camaros, almost as good.)

Anyhow, I'm still trying to find out if my car's dash lights were
designed wrong or if the lights for 3 of my gauges are broken, so
tomorrow is to be in the 60's and I'm going to go look at my car's long
lost brother. Separated at birth. I don't think they even remember
each other.

Hmmm, the 2008 with 105,000 miles is only $10,820 and the 2008 with
94,000 miles is $12000. I wonder why the 2005 is 4 or 3000 more, just
because its mileage is 30,000 or 20,000 lower???

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In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.
Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like,
and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft
ride.

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats,
although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong
cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may
do to them.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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In alt.home.repair, on 24 Mar 2023 12:15:06 -0000, [email protected]
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.
Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like, >>and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft >>ride.

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats, >although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong
cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may
do to them.
--scott

It was a combination of things, trying to understand the two words,
which might be used by other makers too, but also they are 2 of the few convertibles left on the market. None of the ones I would want are big,
long enough to give s soft ride, and even some of the small ones that
are made don't have a navigation screen. I'm really hooked on that.
Esp. android for auto. Alas.

Here are two intereresting links about GPS

https://ndrive.com/brief-history-gps-car-navigation/ https://landairsea.com/blogs/news/are-gps-units-obsolete

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On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice
for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like, >>and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft >>ride.

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really comfy...

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats, although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong
cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may
do to them.
--scott

--
Cheers, Bev
Giving advice likely to kill the stupid is called passive eugenics.

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On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really comfy...

A friend had a '59 Buick Electra 225 with air ride. It reminded me of a
power boat both the way it heeled over in turns and the way there was a
lot of activity in the engine compartment before getting underway.

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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice
for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no
longer.

5 years ago for a short while I had a Chrysler Sebring. I thought it
would be like the LeBarons, but every bump in the street was annoying,
bumps I didn't even know the street had with the previous car.

Now unless I can get rid of my new back pain, it would be worse.

Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like, >>>and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft >>>ride.

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really >comfy...

They had a 60's Cadillac Eldorado convertible on display at the used car
dealer I went to on Thursday. White leather seats. It was so long,
longer than I remembered. Perfect condition. "Do Not Touch". Nor for
sale.

But no navigation. They may still make add-on navigation that sticks to
the windshield, but I don't want that.

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats,
although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong
cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may
do to them.
--scott

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rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really
comfy...

A friend had a '59 Buick Electra 225 with air ride. It reminded me of a
power boat both the way it heeled over in turns and the way there was a
lot of activity in the engine compartment before getting underway.

"You could drive right over the curb and not know it, it's that smooth!"
-- My friend Jim, talking about his Continental


--
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On 25 Mar 2023 21:18:39 -0000, Scott Dorsey wrote:

rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was
really comfy...

A friend had a '59 Buick Electra 225 with air ride. It reminded me of a >>power boat both the way it heeled over in turns and the way there was a
lot of activity in the engine compartment before getting underway.

"You could drive right over the curb and not know it, it's that smooth!"
-- My friend Jim, talking about his Continental

Absolutely the truth. I had a '62 Continental. 5500 lbs curb weight with a
430 ci engine you could drive over Volkswagens and not notice.

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On 3/25/2023 4:57 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice
for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no
longer.

5 years ago for a short while I had a Chrysler Sebring. I thought it
would be like the LeBarons, but every bump in the street was annoying,
bumps I didn't even know the street had with the previous car.

Now unless I can get rid of my new back pain, it would be worse.

Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse
me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like, >>>> and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft >>>> ride.

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really
comfy...

They had a 60's Cadillac Eldorado convertible on display at the used car dealer I went to on Thursday. White leather seats. It was so long,
longer than I remembered. Perfect condition. "Do Not Touch". Nor for
sale.

But no navigation. They may still make add-on navigation that sticks to
the windshield, but I don't want that.

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats,
although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong
cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may
do to them.
--scott

"no navigation"

I drive mid-1960s cars and use the classic navigation
system- Look at the map, grab some cash and drive. This
requires an additional accessory, "pilot software", to
remember the map but it works for me.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev ><[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called
sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice
for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no
longer.

Have you ever actually seen these cars? The Miata is as close to an MGB
as you can buy today. It is a very fun car; it is light and low to the
ground and handles well. It is almost exactly the opposite of what you
are looking for.
--scott


--
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In alt.home.repair, on 26 Mar 2023 18:23:04 -0000, [email protected]
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev >><[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called >>>>> sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice >>>for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no >>longer.

Have you ever actually seen these cars?

Yes.

The Miata is as close to an MGB
as you can buy today. It is a very fun car;

:-) sounds good.

it is light and low to the
ground and handles well.

;-) sounds wonderful.

It is almost exactly the opposite of what you
are looking for.

Alas, yes.

--scott

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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 12:18:02 -0500, AMuzi <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/25/2023 4:57 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called >>>>> sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice
for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no
longer.

5 years ago for a short while I had a Chrysler Sebring. I thought it
would be like the LeBarons, but every bump in the street was annoying,
bumps I didn't even know the street had with the previous car.

Now unless I can get rid of my new back pain, it would be worse.

Nissan 350Z has models called Touring, grand touring, just to confuse >>>>> me. sport touring

I've found that "touring" means a comfortable ride like old fogeys like, >>>>> and sport means "great handling" but a bumpy ride. I just want a soft >>>>> ride.

Another word for "comfortable" is "wallowing". 1988 Cadillac was really >>> comfy...

They had a 60's Cadillac Eldorado convertible on display at the used car
dealer I went to on Thursday. White leather seats. It was so long,
longer than I remembered. Perfect condition. "Do Not Touch". Nor for
sale.

But no navigation. They may still make add-on navigation that sticks to
the windshield, but I don't want that.

"Touring" literally means an open car with two or more rows of seats,
although German car makers use it to mean a station wagon.

I think if you want a soft ride, you probably are looking at the wrong >>>> cars altogether. These are not soft-riding cars no matter what one may >>>> do to them.
--scott

"no navigation"

I drive mid-1960s cars and use the classic navigation
system- Look at the map, grab some cash and drive. This
requires an additional accessory, "pilot software", to
remember the map but it works for me.

I did that for years and it's good, but since I've had the on-screen
map, I love just driving and when I get to a corner, I look at the map
and decide which way to go. Thursday it took 3 hours to go the 45 miles
from Frederick to Baltimore, and I enjoyed every minute.

I call it "navigation" because that's what the car websites call it, but
I don't need direction, I don't even want directions, I just want a map
and to know where I am I guess I could buy an external GPS -- they must
be really good by now, if they still make them, and if they don't (but
they do, I think), the most recent models should be verrry goood. maybe
I'm compulsive but I liked that it had a defined place on the dashboard, instead of my hunting for a place to put it, like I've had to do with
the cell phone. Wherever I put it, it covers something.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144727280089 7 INCH CAR GPS Navigation
Portable Truck Navigator 8GB 256MB free USA Canada MAP

$40. That's certainly cheap enough. "Free Lifetime Maps". That's good.
-- I hate when there is a cord dangling down that you have to plug in somewhere,

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165691141398 $65 9-inch. Car & Truck GPS
Navigation Navigator Sat Navi 8GB 256MB Canada Mexico US

OTOH, Crutchfield has models up to 800 dollars! Maybe they are better.


Of course I could skip the whole thing and just do what I have done
sometimes, turn left, then right, then left in the hopes I'll go the
direction I intend, and use the phone to figure out where I end up.

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On 3/26/23 4:05 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on 26 Mar 2023 18:23:04 -0000, [email protected]
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev >>><[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called >>>>>> sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice >>>>for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no >>>longer.

Have you ever actually seen these cars?

Yes.

The Miata is as close to an MGB
as you can buy today. It is a very fun car;

:-) sounds good.

it is light and low to the
ground and handles well.

;-) sounds wonderful.

It is almost exactly the opposite of what you
are looking for.

Alas, yes.

Absolute best car I've ever driven is my friend's Honda S2000. Comfort, performance, and it's PRETTY!

--
Cheers, Bev
"Why put fault tolerance in the OS, when it's already built
into the User?" -- Steve Shaw, regarding Win95

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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 17:25:00 -0700, The Real Bev <[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/26/23 4:05 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on 26 Mar 2023 18:23:04 -0000, [email protected]
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Mar 2023 22:36:36 -0700, The Real Bev >>>><[email protected]> wrote:

On 3/24/23 5:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article <[email protected]>,
micky <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm starting out early shopping for a used car and I find that

Masda MX-5 Miata has models called grand touring, but some are called >>>>>>> sport.

Both Miatas I drove in were miserable just going over RR tracks. Nice >>>>>for what they are, but 'comfortable' isn't it.

I was afraid of that. Probably fun for the first 30 minutes, but no >>>>longer.

Have you ever actually seen these cars?

Yes.

The Miata is as close to an MGB
as you can buy today. It is a very fun car;

:-) sounds good.

it is light and low to the
ground and handles well.

;-) sounds wonderful.

It is almost exactly the opposite of what you
are looking for.

Alas, yes.

Absolute best car I've ever driven is my friend's Honda S2000. Comfort,

How do they do that when afaict it's no longer than a Masda Miata?

performance, and it's PRETTY!

I like pretty. When the car doesn't work, you can usually fix it, but
if it's ugly or mediocre, you're stuck.

Oh owe:
Why is S2000 so expensive?
Yes in markets worldwide the Honda S2000 prices have been surging
upwards the past few years. This would be due to it becoming a true cult
hero. It is also recognised as a great little roadster in its own right.
Also the styling hasn't dated at all and looks better than most current efforts.
Why is the 2004 Honda S2000 so expensive after 17 years on ... - Quora quora.com
https://www.quora.com � Search for: Why is S2000 so expensive?

https://www.cars.com/shopping/honda-s2000/
2002 20,000 miles, $39,490

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