• What advantage is diesel for a passenger car

    From mike@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 01:20:25 2023
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    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe run on diesel.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel fuel.
    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?

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  • From AMuzi@21:1/5 to mike on Mon Feb 6 14:57:41 2023
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    On 2/6/2023 1:50 PM, mike wrote:
    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe
    run on diesel.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me
    headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel
    fuel.
    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?

    Higher energy density than gasoline.

    With modern software controlled engines, the old drawbacks
    (soot, reduced power curve) have been largely mitigated.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to mike on Tue Feb 7 07:56:54 2023
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    mike <[email protected]d> wrote

    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe run on
    diesel.

    That's a lie.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel fuel.

    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?

    They don't.

    Some did go for diesel cars for their better fuel economy
    but that has since been significantly negated by the fact
    that diesel is now more expensive than gasoline and the
    fact that diesel cars pollute more than the best gasoline cars.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to mike on Mon Feb 6 20:59:52 2023
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    mike <[email protected]d> writes:
    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe run on diesel.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel fuel.
    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?

    mileage, mileage, mileage.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 13:51:34 2023
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Feb 7 09:24:13 2023
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    On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:51:34 +1100, T <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On 2/6/23 11:50, mike wrote:
    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    And you have to wear gloves to keep the vapors
    off your hand.

    Nope, no trucker or driver of a diesel car does that.

    Diesel also gives my wife
    violent asthma

    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?

    That would be politics and not science.

    Nope, it was originally due to the mileage cost being
    lower because of the higher energy content of diesel
    which isnt necessarily true anymore when the cost
    of diesel is higher than gasoline in many jurisdictions.

    The public
    got burned really bad on that.

    Nope, plenty are still happy with their diesel cars.

    But some jurisdictions restrict where they can be driven
    due to the higher pollution that diesel cars produce.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TWlnaHR54pyFIFdhbm5hYmXin@21:1/5 to mike on Mon Feb 6 18:27:36 2023
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    mike wrote on 2/6/2023 2:50 PM:
    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe run on
    diesel.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel fuel.
    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?


    I used to own a VW Jetta diesel.

    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1" which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran
    on diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into
    diesel.

    That means a diesel engine runs on a fuel that has a high content of
    motor oil in it. That is the main reason diesel engines outlast a
    gasoline engine many times over. Many taxis are also diesel because
    taxis practically run 24 hour shifts. A gasoline taxi will die in one
    year in New York City.

    A diesel engine has higher torque than a gasoline engine. A diesel car
    is slower to pick up speed from rest compared to a gasoline car. That's
    ideal for trucks and taxis.

    A diesel engine doesn't use spark plugs. It detonates the air-fuel
    mixture by high compression in the cylinders. That means the metal used
    in a diesel engine has to be strong enough to withstand the high
    compression. That's why diesel engines are more expensive than gasoline engines. Considering the fact that a diesel engine can easily run over a million miles, it is cheaper in the long run.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 13:08:10 2023
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    On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 10:27:36 +1100, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ <.> wrote:

    mike wrote on 2/6/2023 2:50 PM:
    Read today that almost all vans and half the cars in Europe run on
    diesel.

    The only thing I know about diesel is it stinks and gives me headaches.

    I get why a huge truck with a heavy load would run on diesel fuel.
    But why would HALF the cars in Europe run on it?


    I used to own a VW Jetta diesel.

    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it.

    Nope, its a different range of fractional distillation of petroleum.

    I used to drive an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel
    is called "Jet A1" which is a fancy grade of kerosene.

    Wrong again. It is close to kerosene but not a fancy grade of it.

    Since the fuel truck itself ran on diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel
    into the truck's fuel tank and added one quart of motor oil. That
    converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into diesel.

    Nope. Diesel engines can operate fine on a very wide range of oils,
    including used vegetable oils.

    That means a diesel engine runs on a fuel that has a high content of
    motor oil in it.

    Nope, just a different distillate fraction of petroleum.

    That is the main reason diesel engines outlast a gasoline engine many
    times over.

    Nope, The real reason is that they are much simpler designs
    given that there is no ignition system at all.

    Many taxis are also diesel because taxis practically run 24 hour shifts.

    Nope, because they are much more fuel efficient
    and that mattered when diesel was significantly
    cheaper than gasoline.

    A gasoline taxi will die in one year in New York City.

    BULLSHIT.

    A diesel engine has higher torque than a gasoline engine. A diesel car
    is slower to pick up speed from rest compared to a gasoline car.

    It wouldn't be if it had higher torque.

    That's ideal for trucks and taxis.

    More bullshit with taxis.

    A diesel engine doesn't use spark plugs. It detonates the air-fuel
    mixture by high compression in the cylinders. That means the metal used
    in a diesel engine has to be strong enough to withstand the high
    compression.

    Its not the metal that matters, its the amount of it that is used that
    matters.

    That's why diesel engines are more expensive than gasoline engines.

    Not true of truck engines.

    Considering the fact that a diesel engine can easily run over a million miles, it is cheaper in the long run.

    And thats the other reason they were so popular in taxis.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 02:27:34 2023
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    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into diesel.


    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 19:54:44 2023
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    On 2/6/2023 7:16 PM, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:
    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to drive >>> an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on
    diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the diesel level (25-40).

    Really????

    Have you priced motor oil recently?

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  • From Xeno@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 14:54:27 2023
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    On 7/2/2023 2:16 pm, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:
    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to drive >>> an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on
    diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    Sounds like a load of bollocks!

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the diesel level (25-40).



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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TWlnaHR54pyFIFdhbm5hYmXin@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Feb 6 22:16:25 2023
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    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on
    diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the
    diesel level (25-40).

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 15:01:54 2023
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    On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 14:16:25 +1100, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ <.> wrote:

    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to
    drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet
    A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on
    diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1) into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

    I don't know if you are being sarcastic.

    Yep, you actually are that stupid.

    I oversimplified the terminologies

    In fact you utterly mangled the facts.

    but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just very clean
    kerosene.

    Bullshit.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

    And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel into the diesel fuel
    tank and add one quart of motor oil.

    Irrelevant to what diesel fuel actually is.

    It was recommended by my employer at the airport.

    I am sure it is done everywhere else too.

    You'd be wrong about that too.

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the diesel level (25-40).

    Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage and that's
    saying something.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Xeno on Tue Feb 7 15:04:05 2023
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    On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 14:54:27 +1100, Xeno <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 7/2/2023 2:16 pm, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:
    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to
    drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet >>>> A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on >>>> diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1)
    into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?
    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    Sounds like a load of bollocks!

    And is a load of bollocks.

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station
    to get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline
    fuel (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank
    and then add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane
    down to the diesel level (25-40).

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TWlnaHR54pyFIFdhbm5hYmXin@21:1/5 to Bob F on Mon Feb 6 23:21:06 2023
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    Bob F wrote on 2/6/2023 10:54 PM:
    On 2/6/2023 7:16 PM, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:
    rbowman wrote on 2/6/2023 9:27 PM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:27:36 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    Diesel is a grade of petroleum that has motor oil in it. I used to
    drive
    an airport fuel truck long time ago. Most aircraft fuel is called "Jet >>>> A1"
    which is a fancy grade of kerosene. Since the fuel truck itself ran on >>>> diesel, I just pumped the Jet A1 fuel into the truck's fuel tank and
    added one quart of motor oil. That converted the kerosene (Jet A1)
    into
    diesel.

    You're just a font of wisdom, aren't you?

    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1
    fuel into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station
    to get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline
    fuel (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank
    and then add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane
    down to the diesel level (25-40).

    Really????

    Have you priced motor oil recently?



    I am talking about mid 1980s when I worked for an airline.

    I haven't bought motor oil for a long time because I bring my car to the dealership for oil change. Anyways, I am talking about 1 quart (about
    one litre) of motor oil into a full tank of Jet fuel to convert it to
    diesel. It was done for convenience because a fuel truck is full of
    fuel. Diesel is lower grade than gasoline and kerosene so using motor
    oil to convert Jet A1 (fancy kerosene) or gasoline to diesel is a handy
    trick. Don't forget that you are not paying government fuel tax like you
    do at the gas station when you use the fuel your are delivery inside the
    fuel truck.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 7 16:27:43 2023
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    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 22:16:25 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.

    Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Petroleum refining is a bit more complex than
    adding a quart of motor oil to kerosene. The aviation industry covers its
    ass thoroughly. There are a few diesel aircraft engines and the question
    comes up. The problem is diesels require a certain cetane (similar to
    octane in gas engines) rating. Turbines don't require cetane, only
    compression engines, so A-1 has no specification. It *probably* has
    sufficient cetane but nobody is going to stick their neck out.


    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the diesel level (25-40).

    <sarcasm> A driver that did that would be walking very shortly. Diesel
    engines are expensive. </sarcasm> What makes you think they don't fill
    their tanks with diesel at the same place where they load the gasoline? Or
    one of those places commonly called truck stops?

    I hate to feed your fantasies but there is one DIY blend but it isn't recommended. #2 diesel has paraffin and will gel as the temperatures get
    below freezing and the paraffin starts to crystallize. Most northern truck stops have winter blend, which is a mixture of #1 and #2. Some in places
    like North Dakota have pumps with straight #1. However if caught short
    with a tank of #2 on their way to Fargo, the old timers would add a gallon
    or two of gasoline to the tank.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TWlnaHR54pyFIFdhbm5hYmXin@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Feb 7 13:16:31 2023
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    rbowman wrote on 2/7/2023 11:27 AM:
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 22:16:25 -0500, Mighty✅ Wannabe✅ wrote:


    I don't know if you are being sarcastic. I oversimplified the
    terminologies but everybody in aviation industry says Jet A1 is just
    very clean kerosene. And I am not kidding about pumping the Jet A1 fuel
    into the diesel fuel tank and add one quart of motor oil. It was
    recommended by my employer at the airport. I am sure it is done
    everywhere else too.
    Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Petroleum refining is a bit more complex than adding a quart of motor oil to kerosene. The aviation industry covers its
    ass thoroughly. There are a few diesel aircraft engines and the question comes up. The problem is diesels require a certain cetane (similar to
    octane in gas engines) rating. Turbines don't require cetane, only compression engines, so A-1 has no specification. It *probably* has sufficient cetane but nobody is going to stick their neck out.



    You are talking to a former airport fuel truck driver who actually
    fueled aircraft on the apron.

    I know the petroleum refining process. I am talking about adapting the
    kerosene grade or gasoline grade of fuel to run properly in a diesel
    truck engine. You just don't want to accept real life knowledge that you
    don't know off.

    Every competent person knows that you can increase the octane by adding alcohol, and decrease the octane by adding motor oil. I am not talking
    about what the refineries do in their distillation process.


    By the way, have you ever seen a fuel truck going to the gas station to
    get diesel fuel in your whole life? I believe they pump gasoline fuel
    (if they are delivery gasoline) into their own diesel fuel tank and then
    add whatever number of quarts of motor oil to get the octane down to the
    diesel level (25-40).
    <sarcasm> A driver that did that would be walking very shortly. Diesel engines are expensive. </sarcasm> What makes you think they don't fill
    their tanks with diesel at the same place where they load the gasoline? Or one of those places commonly called truck stops?

    Our airport fuel trucks never left the airport property to get diesel
    fuel from a gas station outside the airport perimeter. This is their
    standard practice since the beginning of time. Do you think you'd know
    better than me what aircraft fuel truck drivers use to fill their own
    trucks' diesel fuel tanks?

    I hate to feed your fantasies but there is one DIY blend but it isn't recommended. #2 diesel has paraffin and will gel as the temperatures get below freezing and the paraffin starts to crystallize. Most northern truck stops have winter blend, which is a mixture of #1 and #2. Some in places
    like North Dakota have pumps with straight #1. However if caught short
    with a tank of #2 on their way to Fargo, the old timers would add a gallon
    or two of gasoline to the tank.

    You should read properly before your expose. I am talking about
    converting a very clean grade of kerosene (Jet A1) to use in a diesel
    truck engine. If the Jet A1 is clean enough for aircraft, then it is
    clean enough for a diesel truck. The trick is to add motor oil to lower
    the octane to diesel fuel level.

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