• Horner

    From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 29 19:54:52 2024
    I’m no great fan of Christian Horner but, when he was cleared by the
    internal enquiry, I was minded to give him the benefit of any doubt and
    felt that the response of pundits on the BBC F1: Chequered Flag podcast and other media was simply demonstrating pique at being robbed of a salacious story.

    After today’s developments, however, when it was revealed that screenshots
    of phone text conversations and pictures were sent to hundreds of F1 and entertainment journalists, as well as leading members of F1, the FIA, and
    the F1 teams, I have to wonder how long Horner can continue as team
    principal.

    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

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    Sir Tim

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Thu Feb 29 15:02:42 2024
    On 2/29/2024 2:54 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more
    of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    Or that Horner's Austrian enemies are seeking to reverse the "all OK"
    verdict dictated by the Thai owner of the brand?

    <Fox News>Just raising a question</Fox News>.

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  • From Sir Tim@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Thu Feb 29 23:32:26 2024
    Mark Jackson <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2/29/2024 2:54 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more
    of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    Or that Horner's Austrian enemies are seeking to reverse the "all OK"
    verdict dictated by the Thai owner of the brand?

    Yes, interesting question

    <Fox News>Just raising a question</Fox News>.

    :-)


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    Sir Tim

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Fri Mar 1 13:59:00 2024
    On 1/03/2024 5:54 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    I’m no great fan of Christian Horner but, when he was cleared by the internal enquiry, I was minded to give him the benefit of any doubt and
    felt that the response of pundits on the BBC F1: Chequered Flag podcast and other media was simply demonstrating pique at being robbed of a salacious story.

    After today’s developments, however, when it was revealed that screenshots of phone text conversations and pictures were sent to hundreds of F1 and entertainment journalists, as well as leading members of F1, the FIA, and
    the F1 teams, I have to wonder how long Horner can continue as team principal.

    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    It's hard to think of a better way to destabilise a team.

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  • From keithr0@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Fri Mar 1 17:34:11 2024
    On 1/03/2024 6:02 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 2/29/2024 2:54 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more
    of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    Or that Horner's Austrian enemies are seeking to reverse the "all OK"
    verdict dictated by the Thai owner of the brand?

    <Fox News>Just raising a question</Fox News>.

    Maybe they're fed up with him being the face of Red Bull and getting all
    the publicity.

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Sir Tim on Sun Mar 3 16:02:38 2024
    On 2/29/2024 6:32 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Mark Jackson <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2/29/2024 2:54 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more
    of the other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    Or that Horner's Austrian enemies are seeking to reverse the "all OK"
    verdict dictated by the Thai owner of the brand?

    Yes, interesting question

    Possibly answered by (in German - use Google Translate):

    https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neue-entwicklungen-in-horner-affaere-mintzlaff-wollte-ihn-schon-kuendigen-24030308

    Cites the March issue of /BusinessF1/, while omitting some details from
    there. Says Oliver Mintzlaff prepared papers to terminate Horner, the
    latter's lawyers enforced a clause in his contract calling for an
    independent investigation. . .

    "But then the Thai Yoovidhya clan, majority owners of Red Bull GmbH, are
    said to have placed their protective hand over Horner. On February 28,
    the results of the Horner investigation were presented in a brief press
    release - and to the surprise of many who had seen the evidence, Horner
    was exonerated."

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    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Everything that needs to be said has already been said.
    But, since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Mar 6 23:57:50 2024
    keithr0 <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 1/03/2024 5:54 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    I’m no great fan of Christian Horner but, when he was cleared by the
    internal enquiry, I was minded to give him the benefit of any doubt and
    felt that the response of pundits on the BBC F1: Chequered Flag podcast and >> other media was simply demonstrating pique at being robbed of a salacious
    story.

    After today’s developments, however, when it was revealed that screenshots >> of phone text conversations and pictures were sent to hundreds of F1 and
    entertainment journalists, as well as leading members of F1, the FIA, and
    the F1 teams, I have to wonder how long Horner can continue as team
    principal.

    Is it possible, given the cut-throat nature of F1, that one or more of the >> other teams has connived to disadvantage Red Bull?

    It's hard to think of a better way to destabilise a team.

    A $100M fine is a pretty good disrupter.

    Phil
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