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  • Re: Las Vegas Residents E

    From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to NEWS on Thu Nov 16 10:57:00 2023
    Las Vegas' first year since 1981-1982 and the Caesars Place fiascos.
    Possibly its last (again). TBD. I'll venture a higher percentage of
    locals (if not Liberty) would rather see Watkins Glen return.

    As a non-local, I would rather see a race at Watkins Glen myself. Of
    course, I would rather watch Indycar race at the Glen vs. Long Beach or any other street event, so I might be in a minority with that opinion.

    IIRC, either US ChampCar and/or Indycar has held street races in Las Vegas since 1982, but they didn't stay on the schedule long so they were
    apparently not lucrative.

    Whereas Monaco was first held in 1929, and annually since 1955, with 1938-1947, 1949, 1951, and 1953-1954 races cancelled for various geopolitical, financial, and sporting reasons.

    The Long Beach GP has run for several years under various organizations. I have never read anything about locals fussing about that one, either. My impression, having visited Long Beach when there was not a race on, is that
    at least part of the course is regularly closed for street festivals, etc.,
    so maybe closing that area does not cause as much trouble.

    Whereas in Las Vegas, 'No one gives a crap about the sport. No one.'

    I bet some do give a crap but not like folks do about Monaco.


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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Thu Nov 16 19:39:58 2023
    On 11/15/2023 4:57 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    IIRC, either US ChampCar and/or Indycar has held street races in Las
    Vegas since 1982, but they didn't stay on the schedule long so they
    were apparently not lucrative.

    Not street races. The Caesar's Palace course was simplified into a
    five-turn distorted oval for CART in 1983 and 1984.

    https://www.racingcircuits.info/north-america/usa/caesars-palace.html

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to MARK JACKSON on Fri Nov 17 07:40:00 2023
    IIRC, either US ChampCar and/or Indycar has held street races in Las
    Vegas since 1982, but they didn't stay on the schedule long so they
    were apparently not lucrative.

    Not street races. The Caesar's Palace course was simplified into a
    five-turn distorted oval for CART in 1983 and 1984.

    https://www.racingcircuits.info/north-america/usa/caesars-palace.html

    In 2007, ChampCar opened their season with a street race in Vegas. I don't remember offhand what the circuit looked like, but it was apparently
    downtown near the Children's Museum, which is farther north than the F1 curcuit. Will Power won the pole and the race.

    I have read conflicting information about whether or not the event was renewed for what turned out to be the aborted 2008 schedule.

    Thanks for the info about the modified circuit they ran in 1983-84. I
    didn't realize they simplified it for CART to run.


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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 17 14:44:14 2023
    On 11/16/2023 1:40 PM, Dumas Walker wrote:
    IIRC, either US ChampCar and/or Indycar has held street races in Las
    Vegas since 1982, but they didn't stay on the schedule long so they
    were apparently not lucrative.

    Not street races. The Caesar's Palace course was simplified into a
    five-turn distorted oval for CART in 1983 and 1984.

    https://www.racingcircuits.info/north-america/usa/caesars-palace.html

    In 2007, ChampCar opened their season with a street race in Vegas. I don't remember offhand what the circuit looked like, but it was apparently
    downtown near the Children's Museum, which is farther north than the F1 curcuit. Will Power won the pole and the race.

    Thanks, I stand corrected. Racingcircuits.info seems to have missed the Fremont Street circuit, which indeed was considerably north of the
    current layout. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Vegas_Grand_Prix

    I have read conflicting information about whether or not the event was renewed
    for what turned out to be the aborted 2008 schedule.

    Wikipedia article says it was on the 2008 schedule until the merger with
    IRL.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to MARK JACKSON on Sat Nov 18 11:29:00 2023
    Thanks, I stand corrected. Racingcircuits.info seems to have missed the Fremont Street circuit, which indeed was considerably north of the
    current layout. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Vegas_Grand_Prix

    If you do a search on Champcar 2007 Las Vegas, a reddit link will come up
    that has a map of both circuits that illustrates their positions. Glad
    someone went to the trouble. ;)

    I have noticed that a few circuit info and results sites tend to be missing info from Champcar's later years.

    I have read conflicting information about whether or not the event was renew
    for what turned out to be the aborted 2008 schedule.

    Wikipedia article says it was on the 2008 schedule until the merger with
    IRL.

    Yes, I saw that. The article about the actual 2008 (aborted) schedule does
    not mention it at all, though. May just be an oversight that no one has
    ever corrected.

    For some reason, I thought they had raced more than just once (+ the two
    CART races you mentioned) and wondered if some of those races I was
    thinking of were not the "vapor events" that would often appear on their schedules never to take place. I found no evidence of that, so I guess CART/ChampCar only street raced there just the one time.


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