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  • Track Limits gone too far?

    From Carl Keehn@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 08:07:49 2023
    Is it time to revisit track limits in regards to qualifying for the
    Qatar race? Not only were several track limit violations filed but the officials were very slow in assessing them. Sadly it would impact on
    the final grid.

    Lando Norris did receive somewhat timely notice that he had been dropped
    from 2nd to 10th on the grid, certainly in time for George Russell to be interviewed as the P2 driver. Oscar Piastri was interviewed as the P3
    driver and notified after the fact, that he had been dropped to P6 on
    the grid.

    In my opinion, if you're going to enforce track limits, you need to do
    so in a timely manner.

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  • From Darryl Johnson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 16:11:33 2023
    On 2023-10-07 4:01 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 10/7/23 05:07, Carl Keehn wrote:
    Is it time to revisit track limits in regards to qualifying for the
    Qatar race?

    Yes.

    In my opinion, if you're going to enforce track limits, you need to do
    so in a timely manner.

    Yes, at a minimum.

    I understand driver safety, and I understand track limits
    being needed.
    But this is not working well.
    It became painful.

    It became unpleasant to watch.



    Perhaps a set of stewards dedicated solely to watching track limits?

    I tend to lean to replacing the curbs with deep, soft gravel outside the
    paved track, so that any excursion results in -- at best -- considerable
    loss of time, or the offending car stuck and unable to continue. There
    may be, and probably are, good reasons for not going this route, but it
    would certainly define track limits in an unambiguous way that would not require steward review.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Carl Keehn on Sat Oct 7 13:01:45 2023
    On 10/7/23 05:07, Carl Keehn wrote:
    Is it time to revisit track limits in regards to qualifying for the
    Qatar race?


    Yes.

    In my opinion, if you're going to enforce track limits, you need to do
    so in a timely manner.

    Yes, at a minimum.

    I understand driver safety, and I understand track limits
    being needed.
    But this is not working well.
    It became painful.

    It became unpleasant to watch.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Oct 8 15:10:14 2023
    On 8/10/2023 3:05 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    How did the track builders screw up so bad? They built curbs that not only don't fit the natural racing line but also destroy tires!


    The track was designed for MotoGP bikes first and F1 cars second. They have different requirements.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 19:05:35 2023
    How did the track builders screw up so bad? They built curbs that not only don't fit the natural racing line but also destroy tires!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Oct 8 20:45:01 2023
    On 2023-10-07 19:05, XYXPDQ wrote:
    How did the track builders screw up so bad? They built curbs that
    not only don't fit the natural racing line but also destroy tires!



    What do you mean by "don't fit the natural racing line"?

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  • From texas gate@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Oct 9 08:04:41 2023
    On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 9:45:05 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    What do you mean by "don't fit the natural racing line"?

    you fucking idiot

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to Darryl Johnson on Tue Oct 10 15:09:43 2023
    On 10/7/23 13:11, Darryl Johnson wrote:
    On 2023-10-07 4:01 PM, a425couple wrote:
    On 10/7/23 05:07, Carl Keehn wrote:
    Is it time to revisit track limits in regards to qualifying for the
    Qatar race?

    Yes.

    In my opinion, if you're going to enforce track limits, you need to
    do so in a timely manner.

    Yes, at a minimum.

    I understand driver safety, and I understand track limits
    being needed.
    But this is not working well.
    It became painful.

    It became unpleasant to watch.

    Perhaps a set of stewards dedicated solely to watching track limits?

    I tend to lean to replacing the curbs with deep, soft gravel outside the

    Ahhh.......

    I am Soooo old, or I've been racing so long,
    I remember racing at Pacific Raceways and
    Riverside when they dug a trench and half buried
    a tire on the inside of turns to mark, and
    enforce, 'track limits'.

    https://www.autoweek.com/news/a2049131/where-are-they-now-snapshot-speed-lives-fates-40-years-after-riversides-1968-can-am/

    http://www.radiolemans.co/2021/05/12/hrn-can-am-special/

    paved track, so that any excursion results in -- at best -- considerable
    loss of time,  or the offending car stuck and unable to continue. There
    may be, and probably are, good reasons for not going this route, but it
    would certainly define track limits in an unambiguous way that would not require steward review.

    I agree mostly with your final thought,
    a good solution (wither various paints with various traction
    abilities or, sand, or gravel) would be 'naturally' self
    enforcing an not connected to steward review.

    After all, this is auto racing and not being scored by
    Gymnastic judges & scorekeepers.

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