Who had that on their Las Vegas race betting card?
https://apnews.com/article/andretti-global-f1-fia-expansion-11th-team-c65c0160167925d2aedb09ae9f779654
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:02:24?PM UTC-4, News wrote:
Who had that on their Las Vegas race betting card?
https://apnews.com/article/andretti-global-f1-fia-expansion-11th-team-c65c0160167925d2aedb09ae9f779654
Big thumbs up! I hope they make it all the way.
Now, who would drive? Will they pick from their Indycar team? The European formulas? Poach someone? Who would you all hire?
John
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 17:46:06 -0700 (PDT), JP <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:02:24?PM UTC-4, News wrote:
Who had that on their Las Vegas race betting card?
https://apnews.com/article/andretti-global-f1-fia-expansion-11th-team-c65c0160167925d2aedb09ae9f779654
Big thumbs up! I hope they make it all the way.
Now, who would drive? Will they pick from their Indycar team? The European formulas? Poach someone? Who would you all hire?
JohnIndycar drivers are not appropriate for F1. The better pools for
drivers are F2 and F3 competitions, since the whole car concepts
similar to F1 and they mostly drive at the same tracks.
So, Andretti will probably choose young drivers from there and
possible one veteran to guide them.
Yazoo,what it takes. Palou is a different story. I think he might be no worse than the
That’s a good point about lower formula drivers having some familiarity with F1 circuits. The US press has been talking about Alex Palou having a possible path to F1. Colton Herta also, however from what I’ve observed of him I don’t think he has
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
Please see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/�lex_Palou
(Sorry, not sure how to post a live link in usenet)
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the ex-F2 drivers in Indycar currently is the
tyres. They say in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and they'll get hotter and
hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say that if you were to do that with the F1 / F2 Pirelli
rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the wheelie goes on, chunks fly off
and they never come back to you.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the ex-F2 drivers
in Indycar currently is the
tyres. They say in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and
they'll get hotter and
hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say that if you were to do that
with the F1 / F2 Pirelli
rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the
wheelie goes on, chunks fly off
and they never come back to you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know that F1 tyres
have to be managed well. If driver pushes them too much they will
degrade very quick. Based on what I learned about the differences, I
believe that F1 car is much more complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very different >techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g. drafting is much more >important). It is my impression that Indycar requires less skill but more >bottle.
AFAIK, some drivers did well transfering from F1 to Indycar, but some strugled a lot. I don't know any opposite direction (from Indycar to
F1) with any success.
On 5 Oct 2023 20:03:42 GMT, Sir Tim <[email protected]d>
wrote:
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very
different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g.
drafting is much more important). It is my impression that Indycar
requires less skill but more bottle.
Yes, exactly thats my opinion as well. :)
AFAIK, some drivers did well transfering from F1 to Indycar, but
some strugled a lot. I don't know any opposite direction (from
Indycar to F1) with any success.
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 1:34:22 AM UTC-6, Yazoo wrote:
AFAIK, some drivers did well transfering from F1 to Indycar, but some
strugled a lot. I don't know any opposite direction (from Indycar to
F1) with any success.
Jacques Villeneuve
Juan Pablo Montoya
Mario Andretti
On 5 Oct 2023 20:03:42 GMT, Sir Tim <[email protected]d> wrote:Jaques Villeneuve
...
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very different >>techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g. drafting is much more >>important). It is my impression that Indycar requires less skill but more >>bottle.
Yes, exactly thats my opinion as well. :)
AFAIK, some drivers did well transfering from F1 to Indycar, but some >strugled a lot. I don't know any opposite direction (from Indycar to
F1) with any success.
On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 09:34:19 +0200, Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:
On 5 Oct 2023 20:03:42 GMT, Sir Tim <[email protected]d> wrote:
...
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very different >>techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g. drafting is much more >>important). It is my impression that Indycar requires less skill but more >>bottle.
Yes, exactly thats my opinion as well. :)
AFAIK, some drivers did well transfering from F1 to Indycar, but some >strugled a lot. I don't know any opposite direction (from Indycar toJaques Villeneuve
F1) with any success.
How about Michael Andretti himself?
On Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 6:41:31 PM UTC-6, JP wrote:
How about Michael Andretti himself?what do mean himself?
Jaques Villeneuve
Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the ex-F2 drivers
in Indycar currently is the
tyres. They say in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and >>> they'll get hotter and
hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say that if you were to do that
with the F1 / F2 Pirelli
rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the
wheelie goes on, chunks fly off
and they never come back to you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know that F1 tyres
have to be managed well. If driver pushes them too much they will
degrade very quick. Based on what I learned about the differences, I
believe that F1 car is much more complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g. drafting is much more important). It is my impression that Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
On 2023-10-05 13:03, Sir Tim wrote:
Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the ex-F2 drivers >>> in Indycar currently is the
tyres. They say in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and >>> they'll get hotter and
hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say that if you were to do that >>> with the F1 / F2 Pirelli
rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the
wheelie goes on, chunks fly off
and they never come back to you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know that F1 tyres
have to be managed well. If driver pushes them too much they will
degrade very quick. Based on what I learned about the differences, I
believe that F1 car is much more complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g. drafting is much more important). It is my impression that Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
I think your impression is wrong.
Racing on an oval is different from a road course, obviously, but it requires just as much skill. Ask Nigel Mansell what he thought about the challenges of oval racing.
Furthermore, the feeder serieses (?) for IndyCar are road racing series.
I think by far the biggest factor is the lack of familiarity with the
tracks that F1 uses. This is what caught Michael Andretti out when he
tried to move from IndyCars to F1. He had plenty of success on IndyCar
road courses, but moving straight over to F1 and having to learn every circuit from scratch at every race just wasn't workable.
I think your impression is wrong.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2023-10-05 13:03, Sir Tim wrote:
Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:I think your impression is wrong.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the
ex-F2 drivers in Indycar currently is the tyres. They say in
Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and they'll
get hotter and hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say
that if you were to do that with the F1 / F2 Pirelli rubber
you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the
wheelie goes on, chunks fly off and they never come back to
you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know that
F1 tyres have to be managed well. If driver pushes them too
much they will degrade very quick. Based on what I learned
about the differences, I believe that F1 car is much more
complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very
different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g.
drafting is much more important). It is my impression that
Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
Racing on an oval is different from a road course, obviously, but
it requires just as much skill. Ask Nigel Mansell what he thought
about the challenges of oval racing.
Furthermore, the feeder serieses (?) for IndyCar are road racing
series.
I think by far the biggest factor is the lack of familiarity with
the tracks that F1 uses. This is what caught Michael Andretti out
when he tried to move from IndyCars to F1. He had plenty of success
on IndyCar road courses, but moving straight over to F1 and having
to learn every circuit from scratch at every race just wasn't
workable.
Yes, you’re right Alan, I understand oval racing is quite difficult,
more so than one would expect. For his first year or so Grosjean
didn’t drive any of the oval races but has now become pretty good.
Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down from
Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.
On 2023-10-09 05:28, JP wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2023-10-05 13:03, Sir Tim wrote:
Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:I think your impression is wrong.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
One of the biggest differences, according to some of the
ex-F2 drivers in Indycar currently is the tyres. They say in
Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and they'll
get hotter and hotter and give more grip. Whereas they say
that if you were to do that with the F1 / F2 Pirelli rubber
you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get slipperier as the
wheelie goes on, chunks fly off and they never come back to
you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know that
F1 tyres have to be managed well. If driver pushes them too
much they will degrade very quick. Based on what I learned
about the differences, I believe that F1 car is much more
complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require very
different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses (e.g.
drafting is much more important). It is my impression that
Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
Racing on an oval is different from a road course, obviously, but
it requires just as much skill. Ask Nigel Mansell what he thought
about the challenges of oval racing.
Furthermore, the feeder serieses (?) for IndyCar are road racing
series.
I think by far the biggest factor is the lack of familiarity with
the tracks that F1 uses. This is what caught Michael Andretti out
when he tried to move from IndyCars to F1. He had plenty of success
on IndyCar road courses, but moving straight over to F1 and having
to learn every circuit from scratch at every race just wasn't
workable.
Yes, you’re right Alan, I understand oval racing is quite difficult, more so than one would expect. For his first year or so Grosjean
didn’t drive any of the oval races but has now become pretty good.
Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down from Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.True. I thought about that when I replied (and checking there's also
"World Wide Technology Raceway" in Madison Illinois), but that's still
only 3 out of 14 races, and on short ovals at that.
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 7:00:19 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:One of the biggest differences, according to some of the
On 2023-10-09 05:28, JP wrote:
On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 1:52:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2023-10-05 13:03, Sir Tim wrote:
Yazoo <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 17:53:28 +1300, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/10/2023 8:19 pm, Yazoo wrote:
Good place to read about differences:
https://www.redbull.com/us-en/indycar-vs-f1-differences
True. I thought about that when I replied (and checking there'sI think your impression is wrong.ex-F2 drivers in Indycar currently is the tyres. They say
in Indy you can spin up the rears, keep your boot in and
they'll get hotter and hotter and give more grip. Whereas
they say that if you were to do that with the F1 / F2
Pirelli rubber you'll lose the tyres - for good. They get
slipperier as the wheelie goes on, chunks fly off and
they never come back to you.
Thanks. I didn't know about Indycar tyres, but I do know
that F1 tyres have to be managed well. If driver pushes
them too much they will degrade very quick. Based on what I
learned about the differences, I believe that F1 car is
much more complicated and harder to drive.
A lot of Indycar racing takes place on ovals, which require
very different techniques from the road circuits that F1 uses
(e.g. drafting is much more important). It is my impression
that Indycar requires less skill but more bottle.
Racing on an oval is different from a road course, obviously,
but it requires just as much skill. Ask Nigel Mansell what he
thought about the challenges of oval racing.
Furthermore, the feeder serieses (?) for IndyCar are road
racing series.
I think by far the biggest factor is the lack of familiarity
with the tracks that F1 uses. This is what caught Michael
Andretti out when he tried to move from IndyCars to F1. He had
plenty of success on IndyCar road courses, but moving straight
over to F1 and having to learn every circuit from scratch at
every race just wasn't workable.
Yes, you’re right Alan, I understand oval racing is quite
difficult, more so than one would expect. For his first year or
so Grosjean didn’t drive any of the oval races but has now become
pretty good.
Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down
from Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.
also "World Wide Technology Raceway" in Madison Illinois), but
that's still only 3 out of 14 races, and on short ovals at that.
Yeah I saw that too when I looked it up. The World Wide Blah Blah is
a NASCAR track.
I guess maybe they use the shorter ovals to “ease them in.” But the
short ones can be challenging too because even though they don’t have
the outright speed you’re always turning. I don’t like to watch them because they make me dizzy. But I guess my wife would say that’s a
natural state for me. ;-)
But that makes them MORE like road racing if anything.
I guess maybe
I don’t like to watch them because they make me dizzy.
But I guess
Actually, Indy NXT (formerly Indy Lights), the next level down from
Indycar runs on a couple of ovals, e.g. Iowa and Milwaukee.
True. I thought about that when I replied (and checking there's also
"World Wide Technology Raceway" in Madison Illinois), but that's still
only 3 out of 14 races, and on short ovals at that.
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