• Re: FIA Sets New Timetable For Decision On F1 Expansion

    From fleemos876@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 02:36:39 2023
    On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 02:30:13 -0000 (UTC), fleemos876 wrote:

    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new- timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

    FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
    decision about an 11th or even 12th team.

    Apparently, it will take another four to six weeks before the FIA will
    be ready to reveal whether or not Formula 1 will be getting up to two
    new teams.

    After several groups responded to the official FIA tender, it was
    reported recently that two prospective new teams—Andretti-Cadillac and Hitech—may already have been granted franchises by the governing FIA.

    But with Liberty Media and most of the existing F1 teams opposed, FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem explains that there are still hurdles to
    jump.

    "This is obviously a political and financial issue, but it is clear to
    me that the FIA must respect the process. The EU also regulates us, so
    we can't manipulate anything," he told formula.hu. "If a team is
    interested and our rules say you can have that many teams, how can we
    say no?"

    Ben Sulayem says he understands the existing teams' opposition on
    financial grounds, but it is his duty to "do the right thing for the
    sport."

    "We can't tell a big team that wants to come to F1 to go and buy a team
    or you can't come in. I think that's wrong," he added.

    It is clear that Ben Sulayem's personal favorite for an 11th team entry
    is Michael Andretti's outfit, with the backing of Cadillac and General Motors.

    "These are serious people and we don't want to disqualify anyone without thoroughly reviewing the submitted applications," he said. "It's about
    big names and big money. Of course, we don't want just anybody, but A
    teams or a car manufacturer. I prefer the manufacturers, because that
    would be good for the sport.

    "We have taken our time, the FIA team worked very hard, we had meetings
    with the teams where we reviewed their applications, and I think the
    final decision will be made within four to six weeks."

    Financial concerns aside, figures like Toto Wolff (Mercedes) have argued
    that more than 20 cars on the grid is actually a safety issue, as "we
    are already tripping over ourselves like on a go-kart track."

    "I don't understand that," the FIA president hit back. "Safety is the
    most important thing for the FIA and our safety people say that 11 or 12 teams is also safe.

    "We'll wait until the evaluation of the teams is finished and then we'll
    see, but I have said it before and I say it now - how could we turn down General Motors? I don't understand the negativity.

    "I heard that Liberty Media would also like an 11th team—this was said
    by CEO Greg Maffei," Ben Sulayem added. "It seems that we are both
    looking at the interests of the sport and its sustainability, because
    this way there will be more business for the promoter as well.

    "Hopefully next month we can make a statement."

    I hope Andretti can get in. I imagine the teams will resist as much as
    they can though. If they need an American team, just get rid of Haas and
    give Andretti a go.

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  • From fleemos876@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 02:30:13 2023
    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new- timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

    FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
    decision about an 11th or even 12th team.

    Apparently, it will take another four to six weeks before the FIA will be
    ready to reveal whether or not Formula 1 will be getting up to two new
    teams.

    After several groups responded to the official FIA tender, it was reported recently that two prospective new teams—Andretti-Cadillac and Hitech—may already have been granted franchises by the governing FIA.

    But with Liberty Media and most of the existing F1 teams opposed, FIA
    president Mohammed Ben Sulayem explains that there are still hurdles to
    jump.

    "This is obviously a political and financial issue, but it is clear to me
    that the FIA must respect the process. The EU also regulates us, so we
    can't manipulate anything," he told formula.hu. "If a team is interested
    and our rules say you can have that many teams, how can we say no?"

    Ben Sulayem says he understands the existing teams' opposition on
    financial grounds, but it is his duty to "do the right thing for the
    sport."

    "We can't tell a big team that wants to come to F1 to go and buy a team or
    you can't come in. I think that's wrong," he added.

    It is clear that Ben Sulayem's personal favorite for an 11th team entry is Michael Andretti's outfit, with the backing of Cadillac and General
    Motors.

    "These are serious people and we don't want to disqualify anyone without thoroughly reviewing the submitted applications," he said. "It's about big names and big money. Of course, we don't want just anybody, but A teams or
    a car manufacturer. I prefer the manufacturers, because that would be good
    for the sport.

    "We have taken our time, the FIA team worked very hard, we had meetings
    with the teams where we reviewed their applications, and I think the final decision will be made within four to six weeks."

    Financial concerns aside, figures like Toto Wolff (Mercedes) have argued
    that more than 20 cars on the grid is actually a safety issue, as "we are already tripping over ourselves like on a go-kart track."

    "I don't understand that," the FIA president hit back. "Safety is the most important thing for the FIA and our safety people say that 11 or 12 teams
    is also safe.

    "We'll wait until the evaluation of the teams is finished and then we'll
    see, but I have said it before and I say it now - how could we turn down General Motors? I don't understand the negativity.

    "I heard that Liberty Media would also like an 11th team—this was said by
    CEO Greg Maffei," Ben Sulayem added. "It seems that we are both looking at
    the interests of the sport and its sustainability, because this way there
    will be more business for the promoter as well.

    "Hopefully next month we can make a statement."

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 09:45:47 2023
    So are prospective teams actually interest in winning the WCC or they just looking for a participation trophy?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Wed Jul 26 12:49:35 2023
    On 7/26/2023 12:45 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:

    So are prospective teams actually interest in winning the WCC or they just looking for a participation trophy?


    A question equally relevant to some current teams.

    Up or out.

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  • From ~misfit~@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 15:10:49 2023
    On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new- timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

    FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
    decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
    <snipped>

    If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion that qualifying will have to
    change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per run then the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At
    least on the tracks that have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get away with the current
    system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to be changed it should be changed for all tracks IMO.


    The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will be faster for the second Q1 (or
    the weather could change) so I don't know how they could deal with that fairly.

    They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are only two more cars on the grid.
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  • From Hornplayer9599@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 22:56:51 2023
    On 7/26/2023 22:10, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
    timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

    FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
    decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
    <snipped>

    If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion that qualifying will have to change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per run then
    the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At least on the tracks that
    have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get away with the
    current system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to be changed it
    should be changed for all tracks IMO.


    The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will be
    faster for the second Q1 (or the weather could change) so I don't know
    how they could deal with that fairly.

    They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are
    only two more cars on the grid.


    If memory serves, I think when HRT, Caterham, and Manor joined the grid
    that brought it up to 24 cars...which is where we'll be if they allow
    two more teams on the grid. The only change the FIA made to qualifying
    was to relegate the bottom 7 cars in Q1 and Q2. So I would say chances
    are likely that there wouldn't be any major change to qualifying with 4
    more cars.

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Aug 3 12:17:29 2023
    Hornplayer9599 <[email protected]> writes:
    On 7/26/2023 22:10, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 26/07/2023 2:30 pm, fleemos876 wrote:
    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a44642186/fia-sets-new-
    timetable-for-decision-on-f1-expansion/

    FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem taking his time in announcing a
    decision about an 11th or even 12th team.
    <snipped>

    If there are to be four more cars on the grid then it's my opinion
    that qualifying will have to change. Maybe have two Q1s with 12 per
    run then the 12 fastest cars in Q2? Then eight in Q3? At least on
    the tracks that have a sub 80 second lap. They might be able to get
    away with the current system on longer tracks. Then again if it's to
    be changed it should be changed for all tracks IMO.


    The biggest problem with that system though is that the track will
    be faster for the second Q1 (or the weather could change) so I don't
    know how they could deal with that fairly.

    They might be able to get away with an unchanged system if there are
    only two more cars on the grid.


    If memory serves, I think when HRT, Caterham, and Manor joined the
    grid that brought it up to 24 cars...which is where we'll be if they
    allow two more teams on the grid. The only change the FIA made to
    qualifying was to relegate the bottom 7 cars in Q1 and Q2. So I would
    say chances are likely that there wouldn't be any major change to
    qualifying with 4 more cars.

    Yup, I don't see a problem with the quali aspect.

    I think the only condition on these new teams is "you don't change your
    team name for at least 5 years". If they can agree to that, and the
    current teams still object to there being new teams, start culling the
    current ones who have changed names in the last decade, and see how
    quickly they shut up.

    Yay! Go Spyker!

    Phil
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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 3 08:26:11 2023
    How are even more of these over long, overweight, way over wide cars going to fit on the shorter/street tracks?

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  • From News@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Thu Aug 3 12:31:55 2023
    On 8/3/2023 11:26 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:

    How are even more of these over long, overweight, way over wide cars going to fit on the shorter/street tracks?


    Exclusively Tilkedromes, and more of them. Just throw money at Liberty.

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