• so dull

    From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 09:32:26 2023
    The safety car came way to early. The front half of the field were forced to pit to early and then spent the rest of the day nursing the hard tire to the end.

    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Apr 30 13:43:43 2023
    On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

    Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen
    into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
    admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
    and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Sun Apr 30 11:39:07 2023
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:43:47 AM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?
    Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
    admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
    and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/

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    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows
    how extremely expensive it is to be poor.
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    I'm guessing there's already a rule change?

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  • From Phil Carmody@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Apr 30 22:40:52 2023
    XYXPDQ <[email protected]> writes:
    The safety car came way to early. The front half of the field were
    forced to pit to early and then spent the rest of the day nursing the
    hard tire to the end.

    That's not how safety cars work - they come in when they're needed, not
    when it's opportune for the racers.

    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

    Some of my friends think it was a complete shitshow. Others think it
    was a total fiasco. I take a more nuanced approach and think it was
    simply an utter fuckup.

    Heads should roll.

    Phil
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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Apr 30 15:23:43 2023
    On 4/30/2023 2:39 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:43:47 AM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 4/30/2023 12:32 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?
    Apparently the FIA officials with authority over the pitlane have fallen
    into the habit of beginning to set up the parc ferme barriers, and
    admitting photographers and others, before the race is actually over -
    and were unaware that Ocon still had a mandatory pit stop to perform.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-to-take-immediate-steps-to-avoid-repeat-of-dangerous-ocon-f1-pitlane-near-miss/10463314/

    I'm guessing there's already a rule change?

    No. It's a matter of "procedures and protocol" being (forseeably)
    unsafe and the FIA being tasked with fixing them. There are other
    stakeholders (mentioned in the article) involved.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Sun Apr 30 15:28:48 2023
    On 4/30/23 09:32, XYXPDQ wrote:

    And what happened in the pit lane on the last lap?

    Here are 2 articles on the situation:

    https://www.racefans.net/2023/04/30/fia-will-take-immediate-steps-in-response-to-very-dangerous-pit-lane-incident/

    FIA will “take immediate steps” in response to “very dangerous” pit lane
    incident
    2023 Azerbaijan Grand PrixPosted on
    30th April 2023, 15:57 | Written by Keith Collantine
    The FIA has said “immediate steps” will be taken in response to the potentially dangerous incident which occured in the pit lane during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
    Esteban Ocon came across a crowd of people in his path when he came into
    the pits to change tyres on the final lap of the race. The Alpine driver avoided hitting anyone, but said the situation could have been a “big disaster” had he not braked in time. ----


    https://www.racefans.net/2023/04/30/ocon-says-crazy-near-miss-in-pit-lane-could-have-been-a-big-disaster/

    Ocon says “crazy” near-miss in pit lane could have been “a big disaster”
    2023 Azerbaijan Grand PrixPosted on
    30th April 2023, 15:07 | Written by Will Wood and Claire Cottingham
    Esteban Ocon called on the FIA to change their post-race podium
    procedure to avoid another near-miss incident in the pit lane in the future. The Alpine driver came across a group of people standing in the fast
    lane of the pits when he came in on the final lap of the Azerbaijan
    Grand Prix.
    Ocon had run the first 50 laps of the race on the same set of hard
    tyres. As he made his way into the pit lane, FIA personnel had already
    begun setting up parc ferme and the fenced off pen reserved for the top
    three finishers.
    Fortunately no one was hit by the Alpine. -------

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 01:46:35 2023
    That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Mon May 1 08:13:44 2023
    On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
    That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.

    You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?

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  • From XYXPDQ@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon May 1 08:42:50 2023
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
    That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at least come close to before) show how much more tread life these tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used softer tires.
    You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?


    Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around behind him.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Mon May 1 10:33:52 2023
    On 2023-05-01 08:42, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:
    That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at
    least come close to before) show how much more tread life these
    tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used
    softer tires.
    You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?


    Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast
    enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around
    behind him.

    Because he was on a course with very limited overtaking opportunities
    and (obviously) had good straight line speed.

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to XYXPDQ on Mon May 1 13:35:43 2023
    On 5/1/2023 11:42 AM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:13:47 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-05-01 01:46, XYXPDQ wrote:

    That Occon went to the last lap (which I think he's done or at
    least come close to before) show how much more tread life these
    tire have than they should. Be better racing if they just used
    softer tires.

    The softer tire (the weekend's medium) did not hold up well. That's why everybody on it switched to hards when they could. Ocon (and
    Hűlkenberg) were exceptional in that they ran nearly the full race
    distance on a single set of hards.

    (And neither flavor of tire has treads, lively or not.)

    You get that there were disastrously slow by the end, right?

    Usually the midfield produces some entertaining action, he was fast
    enough to keep the rest of the field on newer tires parading around
    behind him.

    Reducing the second DRS zone by 100 meters (a move criticized by some of
    the drivers) may well have been an error.

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