Carine Cridelic is trackside strategy engineer for Alpha tauri F1 team. (Degrees from Oxford Brookes and PhD from Universite de Franche – Comte)
Bernadette Collins is race strategy engineer for Aston Martin F1 team.
(Mech Eng degree from University of Belfast.)
Hannah Schmitz is race strategy engineer for Red Bull F1 team.
(Masters in Mech Eng from Cambridge)
Elisa Novello is structural design engineer for Haas F1 team.
(PhD in structural design of composites, University of Padua)
Delphine Biscaye was kinetic energy recovery engineer for Williams F1 team. (Degree in Mech Eng from French Institute of Advanced Mechanics)
Audrey Vastroux is director of testing & ops at BWT Alpine F1 team.
(Masters in Mech Eng from IFP in Nanterre)
Okay, I have typed enough but there are dozens more -- my point re women in F1 is that while any "hopeful" driver's career is usually very short, an engineering career lasts, and women might bear in mind the comment by Ruth Buscombe, ex-Ferrari andSauber aerodynamicist (there must be six or seven women in F1 aerodynamics and CFD right now): "Motor racing is so competitive that a team doesn't care whether the data are produced by a woman, a man, or a duck."
Tell your wives and daughters.
Carine Cridelic is trackside strategy engineerdata are produced by a woman, a man, or a duck."
Bernadette Collins is race strategy engineer
Hannah Schmitz is race strategy engineer for Red Bull F1 team.
Elisa Novello is structural design engineer
Delphine Biscaye was kinetic energy recovery engineer for Williams F1 team. Audrey Vastroux is director of testing & ops at BWT Alpine F1 team.
Ruth Buscombe, ex-Ferrari and Sauber aerodynamicist
"Motor racing is so competitive that a team doesn't care whether the
Tell your wives and daughters.
On 11/21/22 20:33, bra wrote:
Carine Cridelic is trackside strategy engineer for Alpha tauri F1 team. (Degrees from Oxford Brookes and PhD from Universite de Franche – Comte)
Bernadette Collins is race strategy engineer for Aston Martin F1 team. (Mech Eng degree from University of Belfast.)
Hannah Schmitz is race strategy engineer for Red Bull F1 team.
(Masters in Mech Eng from Cambridge)
Elisa Novello is structural design engineer for Haas F1 team.
(PhD in structural design of composites, University of Padua)
Delphine Biscaye was kinetic energy recovery engineer for Williams F1 team.
(Degree in Mech Eng from French Institute of Advanced Mechanics)
Audrey Vastroux is director of testing & ops at BWT Alpine F1 team. (Masters in Mech Eng from IFP in Nanterre)
Sauber aerodynamicist (there must be six or seven women in F1 aerodynamics and CFD right now): "Motor racing is so competitive that a team doesn't care whether the data are produced by a woman, a man, or a duck."Okay, I have typed enough but there are dozens more -- my point re women in F1 is that while any "hopeful" driver's career is usually very short, an engineering career lasts, and women might bear in mind the comment by Ruth Buscombe, ex-Ferrari and
Tell your wives and daughters.Also an often seen one:
From the Olympics to Formula One – The Story of Angela Cullen
MAY 15, 2019
Hintsa Stories
Introducing the people behind the method
Does an F3 team team ever say "Er,
On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:12:22 PM UTC-8, a425couple
wrote:
On 11/21/22 20:33, bra wrote:Thanks for posting that.
Carine Cridelic is trackside strategy engineer for Alpha tauri F1Also an often seen one:
team. (Degrees from Oxford Brookes and PhD from Universite de
Franche – Comte)
Bernadette Collins is race strategy engineer for Aston Martin F1
team. (Mech Eng degree from University of Belfast.)
Hannah Schmitz is race strategy engineer for Red Bull F1 team.
(Masters in Mech Eng from Cambridge)
Elisa Novello is structural design engineer for Haas F1 team.
(PhD in structural design of composites, University of Padua)
Delphine Biscaye was kinetic energy recovery engineer for
Williams F1 team. (Degree in Mech Eng from French Institute of
Advanced Mechanics)
Audrey Vastroux is director of testing & ops at BWT Alpine F1
team. (Masters in Mech Eng from IFP in Nanterre)
Okay, I have typed enough but there are dozens more -- my point
re women in F1 is that while any "hopeful" driver's career is
usually very short, an engineering career lasts, and women might
bear in mind the comment by Ruth Buscombe, ex-Ferrari and Sauber
aerodynamicist (there must be six or seven women in F1
aerodynamics and CFD right now): "Motor racing is so competitive
that a team doesn't care whether the data are produced by a
woman, a man, or a duck."
Tell your wives and daughters.
From the Olympics to Formula One – The Story of Angela Cullen MAY
15, 2019
Hintsa Stories Introducing the people behind the method
Jamie Chadwick, despite being encouraged to publicly foresee an F1
ride, has made some intelligent comments about women's physiology and
cars. [I don't know how much an F1 car is 'built around' a driver,
other than a seat fitting and pedal adjustment.] Chadwick asserted
that the plane angles at which a typical woman's legs/knees, and
arms/elbows operate effectively -- aren't easy to achieve in a
typical formula car which has (necessarily) evolved around a man.
Pedal pivot heights and angles, and hip-to-feet angle/distance are
crucial to men and women but are not the same. Even the thickness of
the steering wheel and its buttons and its vertical tilt have 'ideal' settings which are different between most men and most women.
Chadwick commented [perhaps with some frustration] that because of
these fundamentals, 'more gym workouts' for women will not decrease
the discrepancy.
BTW, her three consecutive W Series championships and the
accompanying 1.5 million cash, have not resulted in even an F3
invitation. But what about those dozen or more F3 pilots who never
finished in the top ten in ANY of the nine 2022 F3 races?
Does an F3 team team ever say "Er, we're giving your ride to a
three-time champion in another series, who won 6 out of 7 races in
2022, and won 4 of 8 races in 2021, with three 2nds and a third."
?
I know a few women racing drivers
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of that.
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team places
the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the preferences
of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of that.
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of that
Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team places
the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the preferences
of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal formation.
I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, but I don't.
On 29/11/2022 19:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of that
Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team places
the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the preferences
of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation.
I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, but I don't.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/29/jamie-chadwick-aims-for-f1-but-not-sure-women-can-cope-with-physical-demands
On 2022-11-29 11:28, Geoff May wrote:
On 29/11/2022 19:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of that >>>> Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team places >>>> the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the preferences >>>> of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation.
I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, but I don't.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/29/jamie-chadwick-aims-for-f1-but-not-sure-women-can-cope-with-physical-demands
Where she says nothing AT ALL about "plane angles"...
...and I've address a couple of her points specifically in another reply.
It's nonsense.
She's basically saying that there is some real problem designing and
setting up and F1 car for a woman because they're smaller...
...when Yuki Tsunoda and she are the same HEIGHT!
...when Yuki Tsunoda and she are the same HEIGHT!
probably.
likely
I'd bet
probably
On 30/11/2022 8:39 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:28, Geoff May wrote:
On 29/11/2022 19:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of that >>>>> Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places
the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences
of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation.
I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, but I don't.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/29/jamie-chadwick-aims-for-f1-but-not-sure-women-can-cope-with-physical-demands
Where she says nothing AT ALL about "plane angles"...
...and I've address a couple of her points specifically in another reply.
It's nonsense.
She's basically saying that there is some real problem designing and
setting up and F1 car for a woman because they're smaller...
...when Yuki Tsunoda and she are the same HEIGHT!
Bet her HIPS ! are significantly wider.
Gasly is just under 10% taller than Chadwick, so I'd bet that his hips
are probably as wide as hers.
Gasly is just under 10% taller than Chadwick, so I'd bet that his hips
are probably as wide as hers.
On 2022-11-29 14:38, geoff wrote:
Bet her HIPS ! are significantly wider.
Gasly is just under 10% taller than Chadwick, so I'd bet that his hips
are probably as wide as hers.
is gambling a trait of homosexuality?
Than Tsunoda's? Yeah, probably.
But are they likely to be much wider that Pierre Gasly's?
Yes: women have wider hips than men...
...of the same HEIGHT.
Gasly is just under 10% taller than Chadwick, so I'd bet that his hips
are probably as wide as hers.
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >identical piece in an identical car?
On 11/21/22 20:33, bra wrote:...
Okay, I have typed enough but there are dozens more -- my point re
women in F1 is that while any "hopeful" driver's career is usually
very short, an engineering career lasts, and women might bear in
mind the comment by Ruth Buscombe, ex-Ferrari and Sauber
aerodynamicist (there must be six or seven women in F1 aerodynamics
and CFD right now): "Motor racing is so competitive that a team
doesn't care whether the data are produced by a woman, a man, or a
duck."
Tell your wives and daughters.
Also an often seen one:
From the Olympics to Formula One – The Story of Angela Cullen
MAY 15, 2019
Hintsa Stories
Introducing the people behind the method
Performance Coach Angela Cullen, Hintsa Performance
The people of Hintsa Performance all share a passion for a better life
and better performance. We would like you to meet them.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >>>> Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned >>>> for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals >>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can >>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical >>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >>> Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned >>> for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can >>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical >>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >>>>> Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned >>>>> for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals >>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can >>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical >>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to >their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough >approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. >>>>>>
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >>>>>> Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned >>>>>> for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals >>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can >>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical >>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
of Jamie Chadwick.
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know. >>
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. >>>>>>>
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals >>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be >>>>>> getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
of Jamie Chadwick.
Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work >>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to >>> their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
You simply ignored all this, huh?
The difference in hip width between males and females of the same height
is less than ONE PERCENT.
And Yuki Tsunoda is the SAME HEIGHT as Jamie Chadwick.
You're committing a classic error of logic by assuming that her success
as a racer makes her particularly knowledgeable about ergonomics...
...and you're doing so in the face of actual data that contradicts her >claims.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:26:01 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please. >>>>>>>>>>
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. >>>>>>>>
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be >>>>>>> getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
of Jamie Chadwick.
Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work >>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to >>>> their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
You simply ignored all this, huh?
Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
impressed the second time.
And yet you cannot refute a word of it.
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems. >>> Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned >>> for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can >>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical >>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's >>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the
pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the
pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world
know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
On 1/12/2022 6:13 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. >>>>>>
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the
pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the
pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to
manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you
get the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would
work for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation
to their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world
know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
Think harder. Tits can also get in the way. But I guess you dwell more
on the likes of Gasly's (etc) hips rather than females' tits.
On 1/12/2022 4:57 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals >>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals
can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage >>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
No, same height. That's different.
On 2022-11-30 14:08, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:26:01 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of >>>>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please. >>>>>>>>>>>
Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team >>>>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the >>>>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of >>>>>>>>>>> that.
It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said. >>>>>>>>>
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with >>>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything, >>>>>>>>>> but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the >>>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be >>>>>>>> getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
of Jamie Chadwick.
Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?
Compared to JUST LOOKING UP THE FACTS.
You're the one claiming her statements are smarter than the facts.
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work >>>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to >>>>> their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere >>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
You simply ignored all this, huh?
Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
impressed the second time.
And yet you cannot refute a word of it.
Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal >>>>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
but I don't.
There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
Sure.
Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
for them?
No.
I found some of her quotes:
'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
are so you can get the right leverage?'
There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
pedals can be placed.
Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
to put the pedals where he can reach them.
"In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
hands are not necessarily that big?"
How, you say?
How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an >>>>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion >>>>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be >>>>>>>>> getting into those cars.
I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
Dude, seriously?
How hard is it to know
Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended) >>>>> of Jamie Chadwick.
Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?
Compared to JUST LOOKING UP THE FACTS.
Your opinions are not necessarily facts especially when have
previously shown that you are happy to source stuff from the Daily
Mail. I'm not interested enough in the subject to do in-depth research
just to perpetuate one of your silly arguments; regarding the physical problems for a woman in an F1 car, I'm quite happy to accept the
judgement of a woman who has won international championships at senior
level and has been a development drive for an F1 team against the
opinion of a man whose only experience has been at club level.
You're the one claiming her statements are smarter than the facts.
that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...
...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work >>>>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to >>>>>> their height than men's hips...
...men are generally larger overall?
If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell, >>>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere >>>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
You simply ignored all this, huh?
Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
impressed the second time.
And yet you cannot refute a word of it.
I'm not particularly interested in debating your hypothetical
calculations based on rough approximations. I'm happy to accept the
judgement of someone who has actually been there and done it.
Dude:
Even when she contradicts herself:
I'm not particularly interested in debating your hypotheticalAnd yet you cannot refute a word of it.Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even lessYou simply ignored all this, huh?The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell, >>>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere >>>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
I don't know better than everyone...
...but I clearly did what you did not:
THINK ABOUT IT!
impressed the second time.
calculations based on rough approximations. I'm happy to accept the
judgement of someone who has actually been there and done it.
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