Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

https://floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/rLtFIrqhfng-HD- 1024x576.jpg

Last week, we watched American Eagle sell out of jeans after running ads featuring blonde, white Sydney Sweeney, which for some indecipherable
reason triggered a tsunami of liberal virtue-signaling. But a quiet counterpoint story emerged around the same time. Car and Driver ran the
article under the generous headline, “JLR CEO Adrian Mardell to Step Down Ahead of the Brand’s Contentious Rebrand.” In other words, the CEO
suddenly and unexpectedly quit. Rats and ships and so forth. But also: so
much more.

Jaguar’s “rebrand” was horrifying enough. Jaguar plans to “transition” its
iconic luxury brand to a single, electric model, shown above in pink,
which is the main color pushed in all the company’s promo pictures. But
the new model isn’t even out yet. Instead, Jaguar’s problems are better compared to Bud Lite, except —if you can imagine it— even worse.

According to the New York Post, Jaguar sales in Europe flatlined— by an astonishing 98% drop. That’s not a typo. They only sold 49 cars in all of Europe in April, which compares unfavorably to the 2,000 sold last April,
2024.

The company’s woes are being blamed on its much-ballyhooed “re-brand.” This year, the ultra-luxury carmaker also “transitioned” to a new
marketing campaign. If you thought Dylan Mulvaney was a bad idea, the
Jaguar managers said, “hold your lite beer and watch this.” They green- lighted a series of ads featuring “colorful characters” and no cars. The ads are indescribably painful to watch. See for yourself:

https://youtu.be/rLtFIrqhfng

Watching that ad feels like slowing down to inspect a highway collision.
You can’t help it, even though what you are looking at keeps getting
worse. What I’d most like to know is how much Jaguar paid for that ad campaign. I’m beginning to suspect I am in the wrong line of work.
Whatever they paid, it was too much.

I guess Jaguar decided its new electric customer base is flamboyant transexxuals. This lesson in marketing self-destruction is remarkably
similar to Bud Lite’s incomprehensible decision, since Jaguar’s classic market actually trends very conservative: people who value iconic,
traditional, understated luxury brands with a cherished historical
aesthetic. Think wood-trim dashboards, Connolly leather, and Le Mans
racing victories.

Ironically, the campaign is titled, “Copy Nothing,” but the ad copies the most tired visual tropes of 2020s progressivism and features characters
who are all the same —gender confused— but in different neon colors. Ironically, it’s not even individualistic. At best, the ads illustrate
tribal conformity.

If Jaguar is reacting at all, it’s reacting slowly. In March, Jaguar announced it was “reconsidering” its relationship with its PR firm, Accenture Song. But so far, the creatives remain in place, and the ads
still race into oblivion on the automaker’s official platforms. Even CEO Martell, who just quit, plans to continue through the end of the year. Say
what you want about Bud Lite, but that company reacted at lightspeed
compared to this.

There’s much we could say. We could compare Jaguar’s self-immolation to, not just Bud Light, but American Eagle’s even more “transgressive” —but commercially successful— Sydney Sweeney campaign. Instead, let’s consider the cultural moment itself.

In 2019, men painting their nails and wearing dresses to the Oscars was
edgy. But in 2025, saying “boys and girls are different” is even edgier. Real rebellion now looks like dad jokes, beards, dresses, eating meat, and practicing monogamy. What changed?

It was Covid. Covid was the great pivot. The blast crater at the center of
the radical cultural revolution between 2019 to 2025 is shaped like a
spike protein. Covid wasn’t the direct cause; it was the accelerant, the revelator, the institutional unmasker. Pandemic stress tore the mask off
the machinery behind the narratives, revealed what elites actually think
of normal people (the “herd”), and taught millions to doubt what they’re told.

Politically, covid fractured the traditional left-right axis. Democrats
were exposed as liars; the party was not, in fact, the party of working
people, it was the party of the jab-or-terminate policy. It did not
actually believe that “a woman has a right to choose” or “my body, my choice,” not when it came to forced injections of experimental drugs. Instead, a virus revealed that Republican libertarianism protected
individual rights, whereas Democrats think individual rights are more like privileges to be suspended when they become politically inconvenient.

Even now, the Democrat brand is “resist authority,” but ironically it
still aligns with every traditional institution.

Covid made the impossible possible. The exposure of the Democrats’ real
brand paved the way for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and
greased the skids for Trump’s re-election. So in a sense, Jaguar’s misguided ad campaign mirrors the modern Democrat party.

Jaguar’s goofy, neon-hued, conformist ad campaign doesn’t just mirror the aesthetic of the modern Democratic Party. It mirrors the Donkey Party’s entire operating delusion: the belief that symbolic identity signaling can substitute for substance, that moral preening is persuasive, that
delivering useful products is just a distraction, and that the audience
will never notice the contradiction between words and actions.

Can you see it? The trajectory between the covid crisis, Syndey Sweeney’s tight genes, Trump’s hyper-masculine tariffs, and the DOJ restoring the merit-based civil service exam? It’s a straight line. It’s the ultimate covid miracle: the crisis that was supposed to lock down humanity ended up unlocking reality.

https://floppingaces.net/most-wanted/jaguars-woke-suicide-note-the- democrat-party-on-four-wheels/

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On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for all of
5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic, and not just a political diatribe from a man who voted for a felon and pedophile?

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On 8/13/25 10:12, Alan wrote:

On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for
all of 5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic,

Pretty clear message for Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren,
and Alpine Renault on how not to try for pink and WOKE on their
performance and luxury cars marketing.

and not just a political
diatribe from a man who voted for a felon and pedophile?

"pedophile?"
Seriously Alan?
You sure have opinions, and voice conclusions.

Now surely, Trump does qualify as a JERK, but it will always
amaze me how after 10 year of the far left insulting him,
and constantly lying about him, the voters still picked him
as representing their interests best.

It is also amazing how wound up emotionally many Canadians
have gotten.

Have you been sending your Canadian money to support
Kamala Harris next adventure?

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On 2025-08-13 16:38, a425couple wrote:

On 8/13/25 10:12, Alan wrote:

On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for all
of 5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic,

Pretty clear message for Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren,
and Alpine Renault on how not to try for pink and WOKE on their
performance and luxury cars marketing.

and not just a political diatribe from a man who voted for a felon and
pedophile?

"pedophile?"
Seriously Alan?
You sure have opinions, and voice conclusions.

Yup. Pedophile.

And convicted felon.

And fraudster.

Now surely, Trump does qualify as a JERK, but it will always
amaze me how after 10 year of the far left insulting him,
and constantly lying about him, the voters still picked him
as representing their interests best.

And you voted for him, right?

It is also amazing how wound up emotionally many Canadians
have gotten.

Have you been sending your Canadian money to support
Kamala Harris next adventure?

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On 14/08/2025 11:38 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/13/25 10:12, Alan wrote:

On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for all
of 5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic,

Pretty clear message for Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren,
and Alpine Renault on how not to try for pink and WOKE on their
performance and luxury cars marketing.

and not just a political diatribe from a man who voted for a felon and
pedophile?

"pedophile?"
Seriously Alan?
You sure have opinions, and voice conclusions.

Now surely, Trump does qualify as a JERK, but it will always
amaze me how after 10 year of the far left insulting him,
and constantly lying about him, the voters still picked him
as representing their interests best.

Lying ? Make that "telling the obvious truth". And are you aware that
those who you imagine to be "far left" are actually pretty much
centre-right ?

It is also amazing how wound up emotionally many Canadians
have gotten.

Dude, not just Canadians - it's the whole world. Because that's who he
is fucking up.

--
geoff

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In article <783nQ.6867$[email protected]>,
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

An interesting essay with lots of good points.

I may not like Trump too much as a person but it is such a change to
hear a leader speak some truth rather than absurd ideologies and
lies. I live in Britain, heaven help me but if I could vote Trump I
would in a heart beat.

Our PM...

Smash the gangs.
Release the sausages.
We're proud of our free speech.
�20 billion black hole becomes �60 biliion.
3/4 of money we borrow to pay just interest on what we owe.
Last month alone 16/20 billion to pay interest.
Fuel prices through the roof.
Borders, don't even mention those.
Billions spent on the insane idea we can "tackle" climate change.
Our bankrupt country gives �11.6 billion to help Africa tackle
climate change, money it borrowed!!
Taxes through the roof.
Industry all but gone.

This is where 20 years of left wing governments gets you. Yes, the Conservatives were also left wing.

I so hate stupid ideologies that ignore reality to enable "aren't we
nice" virtue signalling.


Bob.

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On 14/08/2025 9:37 pm, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <783nQ.6867$[email protected]>,
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

An interesting essay with lots of good points.

I may not like Trump too much as a person but it is such a change to
hear a leader speak some truth rather than absurd ideologies and
lies. I live in Britain, heaven help me but if I could vote Trump I
would in a heart beat.

Probably would have voted for Mosely too.

--
geoff

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On 2025-08-14 02:37, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <783nQ.6867$[email protected]>,
a425couple <[email protected]> wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

An interesting essay with lots of good points.

I may not like Trump too much as a person but it is such a change to
hear a leader speak some truth rather than absurd ideologies and
lies. I live in Britain, heaven help me but if I could vote Trump I
would in a heart beat.

What "truth" would that be?

Name an actual "truth" that Trump has ever stated beyond the most trivial.

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In article <107lvfl$qpub$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Probably would have voted for Mosely too.

I take it that's an insult? The usual starting position of the left
an Ad Hominem Attack.

But leaving that aside, I'll confess I don't know. I don't recall
ever hearing a recording of him speaking and to my shame have never
read about the man so I'm unable to give a true answer. Max's dad
with a funny colour shirt is my limit.

But just because I'm not a leftist doesn't mean I eat babies alive.
It means my life experience is different to yours. I was left leaning
until I was 40-ish then reality opened my eyes.

In general I'm pro freedom but with sensible limits.
I hate all modern ideologies, because I've yet to see one that isn't destructive and/or mad.

Bob.

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In article <107ludk$psb1$[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

What "truth" would that be?

Name an actual "truth" that Trump has ever stated beyond the most
trivial.

1. There are only two genders.

2. The climate change ideology is a scam.

3. Freedom of speech is a crucial fundamental human right.

4. Whenever a government moves towards the left it becomes more
censorious (to protect it's lies), totalitarian and incompetently run.

I'm sure you'll disagree with them all but that says more about you
than Trump or those statements.

Enjoy.

Bob.

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On 15/08/2025 8:39 pm, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107ludk$psb1$[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

What "truth" would that be?

Name an actual "truth" that Trump has ever stated beyond the most
trivial.

1. There are only two genders.

Confusing sex with gender.

2. The climate change ideology is a scam.

Head/bury/sand. WTF do scientists know anyway, eh.>

3. Freedom of speech is a crucial fundamental human right.

Except if you have the temerity to disagree with Trump.

4. Whenever a government moves towards the left it becomes more
censorious (to protect it's lies), totalitarian and incompetently run.

Not like your orange one then ! LOL

I'm sure you'll disagree with them all but that says more about you
than Trump or those statements.

Yes, says "not deluded".

Enjoy.

Sad that people can actually admire nasty, ignorant, manipulative,
lying, cheating, borish bullies. Missed a few traits I'm sure ...

geoff

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On 15/08/2025 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107lvfl$qpub$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Probably would have voted for Mosely too.

I take it that's an insult? The usual starting position of the left
an Ad Hominem Attack.

Well you do seem to admire authoritarian right-wing fundamentalists. I
guess you would take that as a compliment.

--
geoff

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In article <107n5vb$13ahr$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

On 15/08/2025 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107lvfl$qpub$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Probably would have voted for Mosely too.

I take it that's an insult? The usual starting position of the
left an Ad Hominem Attack.

Well you do seem to admire authoritarian

No, definitely not. I like freedom not state control.

right-wing fundamentalists.

I can see that from an extreme left position I may appear right wing
but I don't consider myself that at all. I just like common sense and
freedom, I don't like silly ideologies and BS.

I guess you would take that as a compliment.

To me, the left appear to mentally live in a world as they think it
should be, complete with all manner of absurd beliefs. I can no
longer watch main stream TV news because in the UK at least, it
constantly ignores reality so it can follow the left wing narrative
without exploding.

So huge elephants in the room are simply not mentioned and ignored.
Doesn't match the narrative.


Bob.

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In article <107n5po$13ahr$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Sad that people can actually admire nasty, ignorant, manipulative,
lying, cheating, borish bullies. Missed a few traits I'm sure ...

Sad that people live with fantasy beliefs and if you want to see
outrageous lying look at the UK....


Bob.

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On 2025-08-15 08:41, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107n5po$13ahr$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Sad that people can actually admire nasty, ignorant, manipulative,
lying, cheating, borish bullies. Missed a few traits I'm sure ...

Sad that people live with fantasy beliefs and if you want to see
outrageous lying look at the UK....

I notice you didn't actually address any of his direct rebuttals.

:-)

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On 2025-08-15 01:39, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107ludk$psb1$[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

What "truth" would that be?

Name an actual "truth" that Trump has ever stated beyond the most
trivial.

1. There are only two genders.

Trivial.

2. The climate change ideology is a scam.

Fascinating the way you phrase that.

3. Freedom of speech is a crucial fundamental human right.

Trivial.

4. Whenever a government moves towards the left it becomes more
censorious (to protect it's lies), totalitarian and incompetently run.

You claim Trump isn't acting to censor people?

He's firing those who speak truths he doesn't want heard.

I'm sure you'll disagree with them all but that says more about you
than Trump or those statements.

I'm sure you're sure.

Idiots are always sure.

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On 2025-08-15 08:54, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107n5vb$13ahr$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

On 15/08/2025 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107lvfl$qpub$[email protected]>,
Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Probably would have voted for Mosely too.

I take it that's an insult? The usual starting position of the
left an Ad Hominem Attack.

Well you do seem to admire authoritarian

No, definitely not. I like freedom not state control.

And yet Trump is sending troops to control the people...

right-wing fundamentalists.

I can see that from an extreme left position I may appear right wing
but I don't consider myself that at all. I just like common sense and freedom, I don't like silly ideologies and BS.

What are the "extreme left positions" you are "sure" he holds.

I guess you would take that as a compliment.

To me, the left appear to mentally live in a world as they think it
should be, complete with all manner of absurd beliefs. I can no
longer watch main stream TV news because in the UK at least, it
constantly ignores reality so it can follow the left wing narrative
without exploding.

Beliefs such as...

So huge elephants in the room are simply not mentioned and ignored.
Doesn't match the narrative.

Huge elephants such as...

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In article <107nrno$18js3$[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2025-08-15 01:39, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <107ludk$psb1$[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:

1. There are only two genders.

Trivial.

Not to biological women who want their women only spaces and sports
back it isn't or indeed to men that live in reality not the land of
unicorns.

2. The climate change ideology is a scam.

Fascinating the way you phrase that.

Glad you like it. :-)

3. Freedom of speech is a crucial fundamental human right.

Trivial.

Really? So you're fortunate that you've never had to consider the
possibility that if the authorities don't like your thoughts you may
be sent to prison.

I'm also told J D Vance has expressed his concerns about the dark
path the UK is going down on free speech. I thank him for that.

4. Whenever a government moves towards the left it becomes more
censorious (to protect it's lies), totalitarian and incompetently run.

You claim Trump isn't acting to censor people?

I do not but good try.

He's firing those who speak truths he doesn't want heard.

The left speaking truths? Surely not!

Are you sure, are these objective truths or "my truths"?

I'm not familiar with the concept of the left telling any truth.

See what neutral and long respected UK commentator Andrew Neil said
about our lefty PM and lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvEgx-lfCKI

Anyway trivial, in Britain it's the risk of prison.

Idiots are always sure.

And there it is, the predictable, inevitable, insult.
:-) :-)


Yesterday, just one day in woke, mad UK....
As I understand it.

We had a pub in the Cotswolds who had the opportunity to have J D
Vance have his lunch there. The staff said if he entered the pub they
would all walk out. They decided that their need to show false
"virtue signalling" was more important than their employer's business
or making an important USA government official welcome in the UK at
least for lunch.

Sack the lot, they can never be trusted again. I'll bet most of them
have no idea why they're supposed to hate J D Vance. Presumably
because he supports free speech.

The sensible majority of the UK would see this as a terrible
embarrassment for our country (what's left of it).

I only hope some other pub with staff living in reality not cloud
cuckoo land, got the prestige of the VP dining in their pub. I sure
they did.


Also yesterday, again as I understand it we had a massive piece of
injustice in the UK as a guilty man with the "correct" opinions
walked free from court.

I'd like to tell you about it but I genuinely fear I do not have free
speech and I would risk being arrested and imprisoned so I can't.

It's now your opinion that decides your fate not what you did.


Just one day in lefty, basket case Britain.



Bob.

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On 8/13/25 21:35, Geoff wrote:

On 14/08/2025 11:38 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/13/25 10:12, Alan wrote:

On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for all
of 5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic,

Pretty clear message for Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren,
and Alpine Renault on how not to try for pink and WOKE on their
performance and luxury cars marketing.

and not just a political diatribe from a man who voted for a felon
and pedophile?

"pedophile?"
Seriously Alan?
You sure have opinions, and voice conclusions.

It is also amazing how wound up emotionally many Canadians
have gotten.

Dude, not just Canadians - it's the whole world. Because that's who he
is fucking up.

OK Geoff, are you Canadian, or from UK, or other?

What have you, and your country, done to so weaken yourselves
that you can try claiming 'victimization' ?

How can you claim "Trump is fucking up the whole world" ?

I'll take some time and effort on one classic Trump disruption.
Because indeed, Trump is a disrupter, and he gets changes made.
And change makes everyone uncomfortable. But sometimes changes
have really needed to be done.
For decades, the USA has spent in total, and by all measures
percent of GDP, way more than the rest of NATO has spent
on defense of our free world. The rest of NATO has been
'cheaping out" and depending on the USA citizen to pay
to protect them from military force.
For decades, our various Presidents have talked about this
politely, and generally all the NATO heads have politely
said they will try improving. But 'other needs' have
always taken precedence, so it never happened.

Then Trump the Jerk, complains, and very pointedly says
for those countries not paying their proper share,
maybe we won't protect you if you get invaded.
How rude. Everyone gets offended at the Jerk.
But, over a couple of years, most of NATO has seriously
finally increased their defense spending.

In 1950, when the F1 World Driving Championship was started,
So, cue up and sing along to get in proper spirit: https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TDMyMzMvKCsxYPSSTCrKLEnMy8tMVCgqzUktVijJSFUoTyxLLQYAFpoOEg&q=britannia+rules+the+waves&rlz=1CAKOCV_enUS1128&oq=Britannia+rules+the+waves&gs_lcrp=
EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgBEC4YQxiABBiKBTIMCAAQIxgnGIAEGIoFMgwIARAuGEMYgAQYigUyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyDAgEEAAYQxiABBiKBTIMCAUQABhDGIAEGIoFMggIBhAAGBYYHjIICAcQABgWGB4yCAgIEAAYFhgeMggICRAAGBYYHtIBCTcyOTFqMGoxNagCDLACAfEFEOi2w4-uL9U&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=
ive&vld=cid:25a7fa91,vid:v2c5QHtgFxY,st:66

In 1950:
.
The US economy was the largest by a significant margin, with an
estimated GDP of around $2.1 trillion, according to Facebook.

Soviet Union:.
The Soviet Union's economy was second largest, estimated at around $1.3 trillion, according to Facebook.

United Kingdom:.
The UK had the third largest economy, estimated at around $300 billion, according to Facebook.
Other major economies:
.
Germany (primarily West Germany), Japan, France, and Italy also had
notable GDPs in the 1950s.
It's worth noting that these figures represent nominal GDP and can vary depending on the source and calculation methods.

The UK certainly is a leader in all the many technologies that
contribute to auto racing, but how about overall economic growth?

Lets look at now
Search: Rank Country GDP (USD) % of Total
1 🇺🇸 U.S. $26,855B 25.54%
2 🇨🇳 China $19,374B 18.43%
3 🇯🇵 Japan $4,410B 4.19%
4 🇩🇪 Germany $4,309B 4.10%
5 🇮🇳 India $3,737B 3.55%
6 🇬🇧 UK $3,159B 3.00%
7 🇫🇷 France $2,923B 2.78%
8 🇮🇹 Italy $2,170B 2.06%
9 🇨🇦 Canada $2,090B 1.99%
10 🇧🇷 Brazil $2,081B 1.98%

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On 17/08/2025 5:55 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/13/25 21:35, Geoff wrote:

On 14/08/2025 11:38 am, a425couple wrote:

On 8/13/25 10:12, Alan wrote:

On 2025-08-13 09:34, a425couple wrote:

Jaguar in the past was a auto racing great, and a F1 team.
The automaker has slipped greatly. Very great slide!
Here is an interesting opinion.

Other than mentioning in passing that Jaguar had an F1 team (for all
of 5 years), how is any of this remotely on topic,

Pretty clear message for Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren,
and Alpine Renault on how not to try for pink and WOKE on their
performance and luxury cars marketing.

and not just a political diatribe from a man who voted for a felon
and pedophile?

"pedophile?"
Seriously Alan?
You sure have opinions, and voice conclusions.

It is also amazing how wound up emotionally many Canadians
have gotten.

Dude, not just Canadians - it's the whole world. Because that's who he
is fucking up.

OK Geoff, are you Canadian, or from UK, or other?

What have you, and your country, done to so weaken yourselves
that you can try claiming 'victimization' ?

Impose a unilateral 15% tariff on imports from New Zealand, where there
is no justification, apart from whim, for such a tariff.>

How can you claim "Trump is fucking up the whole world" ?

There used to be an organisation called GATT which generally worked, in
a rational way. Trump has basically thrown those principles out the
window and imposed tariffs on countries for reasons of whim, pique, and
because he doesn't like their governments.

I'll take some time and effort on one classic Trump disruption.
Because indeed, Trump is a disrupter, and he gets changes made.

A disrupter, a business failure, a cheater, a liar, a xenop[hobe, a
mysogoinist and a whole list of other negative character traits. You
dispute any of those vile traits ?

He is a clown and egoist who does what it takes to be centre-stage. He
does not appear to even understand what he is imposing, what parties are affected, and what the long-term effects may be. He surrounds himself
with sycophants and even appoints them to responsible government
positions - many significant leaders who are hugely unqualified.

And change makes everyone uncomfortable.  But sometimes changes
have really needed to be done.

But Trump wouldn't know what 'needed to be done' if it bit him in the arse.

For decades, the USA has spent in total, and by all measures
percent of GDP, way more than the rest of NATO has spent
on defense of our free world.  The rest of NATO has been
'cheaping out" and depending on the USA citizen to pay
to protect them from military force.
For decades, our various Presidents have talked about this
politely, and generally all the NATO heads have politely
said they will try improving.  But 'other needs' have
always taken precedence, so it never happened.

The USA is by far the largest economy that can afford to do what it
needs, in its claimed role as 'the world's policeman'.

Then Trump the Jerk, complains, and very pointedly says
for those countries not paying their proper share,
maybe we won't protect you if you get invaded.
How rude.  Everyone gets offended at the Jerk.
But, over a couple of years, most of NATO has seriously
finally increased their defense spending.

In 1950, when the F1 World Driving Championship was started,
So, cue up and sing along to get in proper spirit: https://www.google.com/search? gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TDMyMzMvKCsxYPSSTCrKLEnMy8tMVCgqzUktVijJSFUoTyxLLQYAFpoOEg&q=britannia+rules+the+waves&rlz=1CAKOCV_enUS1128&oq=Britannia+rules+the+waves&gs_lcrp=

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Yes, Britain certainly made impacts on the world in the days old yore.
Some for better and some for worse. And now long overtaken by the USA
(and others).

In 1950:
.
The US economy was the largest by a significant margin, with an
estimated GDP of around $2.1 trillion, according to Facebook.

Soviet Union:.
The Soviet Union's economy was second largest, estimated at around $1.3 trillion, according to Facebook.

United Kingdom:.
The UK had the third largest economy, estimated at around $300 billion, according to Facebook.
Other major economies:
.
Germany (primarily West Germany), Japan, France, and Italy also had
notable GDPs in the 1950s.
It's worth noting that these figures represent nominal GDP and can vary depending on the source and calculation methods.

The UK certainly is a leader in all the many technologies that
contribute to auto racing, but how about overall economic growth?

Lets look at now
Search: Rank    Country    GDP (USD)    % of Total
1    🇺🇸 U.S.            $26,855B    25.54%
2    🇨🇳 China    $19,374B    18.43%
3    🇯🇵 Japan    $4,410B    4.19%
4    🇩🇪 Germany    $4,309B    4.10%
5    🇮🇳 India    $3,737B    3.55%
6    🇬🇧 UK            $3,159B    3.00%
7    🇫🇷 France    $2,923B    2.78%
8    🇮🇹 Italy    $2,170B    2.06%
9    🇨🇦 Canada    $2,090B    1.99%
10    🇧🇷 Brazil    $2,081B    1.98%

Yes, and ?
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~misfit~ <[email protected]> wrote:

On 17/08/2025 5:55 am, a425couple wrote:

<snip politics, remove crossposting>

This shit doesn't belong here in rasf1.

+1

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On 22/08/2025 5:03 am, Martin Harran wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 19:36:42 +1200, ~misfit~
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 17/08/2025 5:55 am, a425couple wrote:

<snip politics, remove crossposting>

This shit doesn't belong here in rasf1.

Agreed. It's the sort of shit that has destroyed other Usenet groups
:(

Because it clutters up all the numerous other posts, and people can't
avoid reading threads they don't like.

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