whether you buy one or not.

"true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying $17.33 per gallon of gasoline."

When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and market that gasoline."

"When an EV owner connects to the electric grid, how much are they paying for the extra generation, transmission, and distribution costs that they are imposing on the grid, and will those embedded costs rise over time?"

PG&E just received approval for their next year rate structure that amounts to a 400$ annual increase for the average utility bill.
They largely pointed to "infrastructure" investment as the reason for this fat increase.

ScottW

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On 11/23/23 11:27 AM, ScottW wrote:

whether you buy one or not.

"true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying
$17.33 per gallon of gasoline."

Well, they have a long way to go to catch up with over a century of
fossil fuel subsidies.

When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they
are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and
market that gasoline."

"When an EV owner connects to the electric grid, how much are they
paying for the extra generation, transmission, and distribution
costs that they are imposing on the grid, and will those embedded
costs rise over time?"

Report = back-of-the-envelope math

Jalopnik is on it:

https://jalopnik.com/fossil-fuel-think-tank-electricity-costs-17-per-gallon-1850990794

The author refers to your third paragraph as "outright lies," continuing:

"A gallon of gasoline is directly subsidized in a number of ways. Some estimates indicate the American taxpayer populace is spending around 20
billion dollars per year in direct fossil fuel subsidies...

The national security costs of reliance on foreign oil are extremely
expensive indirect subsidies to internal combustion engine cars. The
health and medical costs of poor air quality are some pretty huge hidden
costs to gas and diesel vehicles."

What "extra generation" do you mean?

Since you didn't cite the origin of this "report" I'm not surprised you
didn't name the authors or their oil industry-funded think tank.

PG&E just received approval for their next year rate structure that
amounts to a 400$ annual increase for the average utility bill. They
largely pointed to "infrastructure" investment as the reason for
this fat increase.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/pg-e-utility-bills-in-california-will-soar-to-help-pay-for-wildfire-protections/ar-AA1k3HSE

"PG&E said 85% of the increase was to improve safety in its gas and
electric operations."

By "infrastucture," PG&E means burying or installing protective covering
on power lines.

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On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:13:17 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 11/23/23 11:27 AM, ScottW wrote:

whether you buy one or not.

"true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying
$17.33 per gallon of gasoline."

Well, they have a long way to go to catch up with over a century of
fossil fuel subsidies.

When ICE owners pay for a gallon of gasoline, the report says, they
are paying for the "entire infrastructure to refine, transport and
market that gasoline."

"When an EV owner connects to the electric grid, how much are they
paying for the extra generation, transmission, and distribution
costs that they are imposing on the grid, and will those embedded
costs rise over time?"

Report = back-of-the-envelope math

Jalopnik is on it:

https://jalopnik.com/fossil-fuel-think-tank-electricity-costs-17-per-gallon-1850990794

The author refers to your third paragraph as "outright lies," continuing:

"A gallon of gasoline is directly subsidized in a number of ways. Some estimates indicate the American taxpayer populace is spending around 20 billion dollars per year in direct fossil fuel subsidies...

The national security costs of reliance on foreign oil are extremely expensive indirect subsidies to internal combustion engine cars. The
health and medical costs of poor air quality are some pretty huge hidden costs to gas and diesel vehicles."

What "extra generation" do you mean?

Since you didn't cite the origin of this "report" I'm not surprised you didn't name the authors or their oil industry-funded think tank.

PG&E just received approval for their next year rate structure that amounts to a 400$ annual increase for the average utility bill. They largely pointed to "infrastructure" investment as the reason for
this fat increase.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/pg-e-utility-bills-in-california-will-soar-to-help-pay-for-wildfire-protections/ar-AA1k3HSE

"PG&E said 85% of the increase was to improve safety in its gas and
electric operations."

By "infrastucture," PG&E means burying or installing protective covering
on power lines.

They already had a fat rate increase to bury some main high voltage lines.
They got the money...but the lines remain overhead.

ScottW

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On 11/24/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 7:13:17 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:

On 11/23/23 11:27 AM, ScottW wrote:

whether you buy one or not.

"true cost of fueling an EV would equate to an EV owner paying
$17.33 per gallon of gasoline."

Debunked.

PG&E just received approval for their next year rate structure that
amounts to a 400$ annual increase for the average utility bill. They
largely pointed to "infrastructure" investment as the reason for
this fat increase.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/pg-e-utility-bills-in-california-will-soar-to-help-pay-for-wildfire-protections/ar-AA1k3HSE

"PG&E said 85% of the increase was to improve safety in its gas and
electric operations."

By "infrastucture," PG&E means burying or installing protective covering
on power lines.

They already had a fat rate increase to bury some main high voltage lines. They got the money...but the lines remain overhead.

The kindest way to read this uncited claim is to assume you remember the
PG&E proposed increase from February of last year and think it already
went into effect.

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