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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 10:20:08 2023
    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1700589909390835901

    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S.
    Constitution.


    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Sep 10 20:08:12 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1700589909390835901

    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S.
    Constitution.


    ScottW

    I am not sure I agree with you. I don't see how she is violating the Constitution.
    Not all states have open carry or concealed carry. Vermont does not allow concealed carry at all.
    Six states do not allow open carry.

    Maybe she is violating New Mexico law or State Constitution, but not the US Constitution.

    I don't see where a state is prohibited from declaring a statewide public health emergency.

    I support state's rights.

    Her declaration is bad policy, but I think it is legal.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Sep 10 21:23:57 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1700589909390835901

    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S.
    Constitution.


    ScottW
    I am not sure I agree with you. I don't see how she is violating the Constitution.
    Not all states have open carry or concealed carry. Vermont does not allow concealed carry at all.
    Six states do not allow open carry.

    Maybe she is violating New Mexico law or State Constitution, but not the US Constitution.

    I don't see where a state is prohibited from declaring a statewide public health emergency.

    I support state's rights.

    Her declaration is bad policy, but I think it is legal.

    Her state laws are how her state implements the rights of the 2nd amendment. She is suspending those laws and thereby revoking rights of
    law abiding citizens as New Mex has determined them under the constitution. We'll see what the courts have to say if she persists.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Sep 11 10:36:56 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:23:58 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1700589909390835901

    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.
    S. Constitution.


    ScottW
    I am not sure I agree with you. I don't see how she is violating the Constitution.
    Not all states have open carry or concealed carry. Vermont does not allow concealed carry at all.
    Six states do not allow open carry.

    Maybe she is violating New Mexico law or State Constitution, but not the US Constitution.

    I don't see where a state is prohibited from declaring a statewide public health emergency.

    I support state's rights.

    Her declaration is bad policy, but I think it is legal.
    Her state laws are how her state implements the rights of the 2nd amendment. She is suspending those laws and thereby revoking rights of
    law abiding citizens as New Mex has determined them under the constitution. We'll see what the courts have to say if she persists.

    ScottW

    She has various options as to implemening the 2nd Amendment.
    Her recent decision puts her state in line with Vermont, which has not been adjudicated as violating the 2md Amendment.

    Second point. Neither the State of New Mexico nor its voters
    get to determine what rights they have under The Constitution.
    SCOTUS does that.

    This is an inviolate principle.

    It should be applied equally as to New Mexico, as it should be applied equally as to any state
    attempting to remove Trump form the ballot, and as for any attempts
    by California to subvert parental rights for child transgender issues,

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Sep 11 17:03:15 2023
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 10:36:58 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:23:58 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 8:08:14 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 1:20:10 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
    https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1700589909390835901

    I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the
    U.S. Constitution.


    ScottW
    I am not sure I agree with you. I don't see how she is violating the Constitution.
    Not all states have open carry or concealed carry. Vermont does not allow concealed carry at all.
    Six states do not allow open carry.

    Maybe she is violating New Mexico law or State Constitution, but not the US Constitution.

    I don't see where a state is prohibited from declaring a statewide public health emergency.

    I support state's rights.

    Her declaration is bad policy, but I think it is legal.
    Her state laws are how her state implements the rights of the 2nd amendment. She is suspending those laws and thereby revoking rights of
    law abiding citizens as New Mex has determined them under the constitution.
    We'll see what the courts have to say if she persists.

    ScottW
    She has various options as to implemening the 2nd Amendment.
    Her recent decision puts her state in line with Vermont, which has not been adjudicated as violating the 2md Amendment.

    It's probably more of a questionable governor authority to override state legislator enacted law
    with a bit of a 2nd Amendment spin to spice it up.

    ScottW

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