It's a valid spelling for surnames! Here's an excerpt of an interview
with an SF dweller. The conclusion of Zachary B. Wolf's "What’s really
going on with crime in San Francisco?":

For a better sense of what exactly is going on in one of the world’s
great cities, I talked to Joe Eskenazi, managing editor and columnist
for Mission Local, an independent, nonprofit news site.

WOLF: You’ve lived there pretty much your entire life. Has the city
gotten better or worse in the last 40 some odd years?

ESKENAZI: It’s different. Some things are better, and some things are
worse. People who tell you differently are seeing things through
blinders, frankly. Full disclosure: You and I went to college together,
and I grew up in the area. After Berkeley, I ended up moving full time
to San Francisco 20 some odd years ago.

When I moved to San Francisco, Zach, there were well over 100 murders a
year.

We’ve had as few as 41 murders, I think, two years ago (note: it was
2019). We’re on pace to have about 56, 55. So it’s very different.
Violent crime is much lower now than it was 20 years ago, 10 years ago.

But property crime is off the hook. And overt misery is off the hook.
And the budget of San Francisco has ballooned. So people are frustrated.

But simply saying things are worse or things are better strikes me as
being reductive. Things are certainly more expensive.

More at:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/politics/san-francisco-crime-rate-what-matters/index.html

Just to save you the trouble: citing a balanced report doesn't make
anyone a hypocrite.

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On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

It's a valid spelling for surnames! Here's an excerpt of an interview
with an SF dweller. The conclusion of Zachary B. Wolf's "What’s really going on with crime in San Francisco?":

For a better sense of what exactly is going on in one of the world’s
great cities, I talked to Joe Eskenazi, managing editor and columnist
for Mission Local, an independent, nonprofit news site.

WOLF: You’ve lived there pretty much your entire life. Has the city
gotten better or worse in the last 40 some odd years?

ESKENAZI: It’s different. Some things are better, and some things are worse. People who tell you differently are seeing things through
blinders, frankly. Full disclosure: You and I went to college together,
and I grew up in the area. After Berkeley, I ended up moving full time
to San Francisco 20 some odd years ago.

When I moved to San Francisco, Zach, there were well over 100 murders a year.

We’ve had as few as 41 murders, I think, two years ago (note: it was 2019). We’re on pace to have about 56, 55. So it’s very different. Violent crime is much lower now than it was 20 years ago, 10 years ago.

But property crime is off the hook. And overt misery is off the hook.
And the budget of San Francisco has ballooned. So people are frustrated.

But simply saying things are worse or things are better strikes me as
being reductive. Things are certainly more expensive.

More at:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/politics/san-francisco-crime-rate-what-matters/index.html

Just to save you the trouble: citing a balanced report doesn't make
anyone a hypocrite.

Just for the sake of balance, I'll call your CNN and raise you a Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/reporter-san-francisco-watches-live-man-brazenly-steals-from-walgreens-did-guy-pay

Open up your eyes. Stores are closing. Businesses are moving out,
store shelves are being put behind lock and key.

comparative crime stats are useless. I can make a crime "go away" by simply decriminalizing it.
I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

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On 8/4/23 3:47 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:21:31 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

It's a valid spelling for surnames! Here's an excerpt of an interview
with an SF dweller. The conclusion of Zachary B. Wolf's "What’s really
going on with crime in San Francisco?":

For a better sense of what exactly is going on in one of the world’s
great cities, I talked to Joe Eskenazi, managing editor and columnist
for Mission Local, an independent, nonprofit news site.

WOLF: You’ve lived there pretty much your entire life. Has the city
gotten better or worse in the last 40 some odd years?

ESKENAZI: It’s different. Some things are better, and some things are
worse. People who tell you differently are seeing things through
blinders, frankly. Full disclosure: You and I went to college together,
and I grew up in the area. After Berkeley, I ended up moving full time
to San Francisco 20 some odd years ago.

When I moved to San Francisco, Zach, there were well over 100 murders a
year.

We’ve had as few as 41 murders, I think, two years ago (note: it was
2019). We’re on pace to have about 56, 55. So it’s very different.
Violent crime is much lower now than it was 20 years ago, 10 years ago.

But property crime is off the hook. And overt misery is off the hook.
And the budget of San Francisco has ballooned. So people are frustrated.

But simply saying things are worse or things are better strikes me as
being reductive. Things are certainly more expensive.

More at:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/politics/san-francisco-crime-rate-what-matters/index.html

Just to save you the trouble: citing a balanced report doesn't make
anyone a hypocrite.

Just for the sake of balance, I'll call your CNN and raise you a Fox News.

The expert isn't from CNN.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/reporter-san-francisco-watches-live-man-brazenly-steals-from-walgreens-did-guy-pay

Anecdote.

Open up your eyes. Stores are closing. Businesses are moving out,
store shelves are being put behind lock and key.

From the link:

ESKENAZI: There is crime in downtown San Francisco, but there always has
been.

I think the notion that these businesses were driven out by crime is
frankly dishonest. That’s always been a factor. But it wasn’t like Mid-Market (where the Nordstrom is located) was a serene place before
the pandemic.

I think the Nordstrom people were very responsible in what they said.
The letter that was sent to everybody was very upfront that there was
decreased foot traffic. They weren’t making money.

It wasn’t good business for them anymore. And Nordstrom, in fact, closed their Stonestown Mall outlet in 2019, which is a mall more in the
periphery of San Francisco.

So the problem here is that your big, high-end, mall-type retail is
dying. It was already having lots of trouble before the pandemic and
that kind of greased the skids. That’s a big problem for downtown San Francisco. It’s hundreds of thousands of square feet of retail space
that’s suddenly going to go vacant.

To say it was chased out by crime is a preferred narrative of people for
their own worldview.

I just looked back and found an article that I wrote in 2014 about
complaints that one out of every four police calls in that district was
in or near the Westfield Mall. That was there before.

comparative crime stats are useless. I can make a crime "go away" by simply decriminalizing it.
I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

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mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate
them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

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On 8/4/23 9:11 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

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mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

That claim struck me as OTT. OTOH...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxLACIpphU

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On 8/5/23 12:11 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate >>> them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

That claim struck me as OTT. OTOH...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxLACIpphU

Baltimore stats are not trustworthy! Hypnosis goes with the other police methods now suspect: blood spatter, arson science, even eyewitness
testimony and firearm forensics.

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On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 8/4/23 9:11 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

Any DA, mayor, or city council does.
By redefining and reclassifying crimes.
Or by not prosecuting them.
Tse actions all affect crime stats.

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On 8/5/23 5:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 8/4/23 9:11 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to manipulate >>> them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

Any DA, mayor, or city council does.
By redefining and reclassifying crimes.
Or by not prosecuting them.
Tse actions all affect crime stats.

That's why I cited the FBI Uniform Crime Rate. However, it looks like FF
was onto something: you'll reject facts when they conflict with your
beliefs.

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On 8/5/23 6:11 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 8/5/23 5:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:10:06 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 8/4/23 9:11 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

I can make a crime stat lower by altering the legal definition or
threshold of the criminal activity.

Well, if evidence is no good, what's left? Your "gut"?

Sackhead isn't interested in your profane "evidence". Their feelings
are based on Faith, if not Providence itself. You're trying to
manipulate
them into abandoning their Fucksy Faith, which is tantamount to
burning their bridge into Dumpster Heaven. Fuhgeddaboudit.

Did you know Sackie has the power to change crime stats?

Any DA, mayor, or city council does.
By redefining and reclassifying crimes.
Or by not prosecuting them.
Tse actions all affect crime stats.

That's why I cited the FBI Uniform Crime Rate. However, it looks like FF
was onto something: you'll reject facts when they conflict with your
beliefs.

This could help you with your concern about stats:

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

Basically, FBI gets reports, BJS does surveys.

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mINE109 wrote:

Tse actions all affect crime stats.

That's why I cited the FBI Uniform Crime Rate. However, it looks like FF
was onto something: you'll reject facts when they conflict with your beliefs.

Sackdork has been fully inducted into the "debating trade" battalion.
One of their prime directives - if not THE Prime Directive - is never to
admit error. Toward that end, the existence of objective reality (i.e. facts) is an obstacle to "debate".

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