None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals

They came here as children
Thet weren't willful arrivals making an adult decision
They are here, they are not going to be sent back
They need to be able to earn a living and lead their lives
They are not getting any freebies or bennies from the taxpayers
They are going to do a dangerous and difficult job that not many othetr want to do
They are going to be serving their communities
They are going to earn their salaries.

In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but
not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

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On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals

They came here as children
Thet weren't willful arrivals making an adult decision
They are here, they are not going to be sent back
They need to be able to earn a living and lead their lives
They are not getting any freebies or bennies from the taxpayers
They are going to do a dangerous and difficult job that not many othetr want to do
They are going to be serving their communities
They are going to earn their salaries.

In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

The Illinois law goes far beyond DACA's.
"Provides that an individual who is not a citizen but is legally authorized to work in the United States under federal law is authorized to apply for the position of police officer, subject to all requirements and limitations, other than citizenship, to
which other applicants are subject."

You should be aware that anyone can apply for a legal right to work
one year after applying for asylum. Most asylum applicants won't even have a hearing date set in a year.

ScottW

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On 7/29/23 7:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals

In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but
not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

Other public service should be considered: Peace Corps, teaching, etc.

Promises of citizenship for military service should also be honored.

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On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/29/23 7:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals
In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

Other public service should be considered: Peace Corps, teaching, etc.

Promises of citizenship for military service should also be honored.

Military yes. Years ago we used to do that.
Many years ago I had a Lebanese national as a housemate who
was an Army enlistee and got his citizenship.

But I would limit this to police and military,
and possibly firefighters, i.e, those
who risk life and limb.

Teachers, well, maybe just those who work in
dangerous and challenging inner city school districts

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On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals

They came here as children
Thet weren't willful arrivals making an adult decision
They are here, they are not going to be sent back
They need to be able to earn a living and lead their lives
They are not getting any freebies or bennies from the taxpayers
They are going to do a dangerous and difficult job that not many othetr want to do
They are going to be serving their communities
They are going to earn their salaries.

In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

The Illinois law goes far beyond DACA's.
"Provides that an individual who is not a citizen but is legally authorized to work in the United States under federal law is authorized to apply for the position of police officer, subject to all requirements and limitations, other than citizenship,

to which other applicants are subject."

You should be aware that anyone can apply for a legal right to work
one year after applying for asylum. Most asylum applicants won't even have a hearing date set in a year.

ScottW

No problem with asylum category
Asylum seekers are legal entrants.
My only problem is with illegals who entered as adults.

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 7:58:32 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:13:56 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:53:46 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals

They came here as children
Thet weren't willful arrivals making an adult decision
They are here, they are not going to be sent back
They need to be able to earn a living and lead their lives
They are not getting any freebies or bennies from the taxpayers
They are going to do a dangerous and difficult job that not many othetr want to do
They are going to be serving their communities
They are going to earn their salaries.

In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but
not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

The Illinois law goes far beyond DACA's.
"Provides that an individual who is not a citizen but is legally authorized to work in the United States under federal law is authorized to apply for the position of police officer, subject to all requirements and limitations, other than citizenship,

to which other applicants are subject."

You should be aware that anyone can apply for a legal right to work
one year after applying for asylum. Most asylum applicants won't even have a hearing date set in a year.

ScottW

No problem with asylum category
Asylum seekers are legal entrants.
My only problem is with illegals who entered as adults.

Except for Bidens first two years they did give illegal entrants
ability to request asylum and then released them pending future
scheduling including security checks etc. But those are required for the work permit, so
overall, since they're here and not subject to being deported, I agree with allowing 'em to work
once they've completed the necessary background checks.
Not sure how many will qualify to be police officers.

ScottW

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On 7/31/23 10:02 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/29/23 7:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals
In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but >>> not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

Other public service should be considered: Peace Corps, teaching, etc.

Promises of citizenship for military service should also be honored.

Military yes. Years ago we used to do that.
Many years ago I had a Lebanese national as a housemate who
was an Army enlistee and got his citizenship.

But I would limit this to police and military,
and possibly firefighters, i.e, those
who risk life and limb.

Teachers, well, maybe just those who work in
dangerous and challenging inner city school districts

EMTs, forestry workers, social services, child care, elder care.

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On 7/31/23 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 7:58:32 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

My only problem is with illegals who entered as adults.

Except for Bidens first two years they did give illegal entrants
ability to request asylum and then released them pending future
scheduling including security checks etc.

If they requested asylum, they're not illegal. In fact, they have to be
here, or at a port of entry, to apply.

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:33:28 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/31/23 10:02 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/29/23 7:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

None at all

https://www.theblaze.com/news/illinois-pritzker-signs-foreign-nationals-police-officers

This applies to DACA arrivals
In fact, I would add that after five years of service, the US govt should confer citizenship.

My general position on DACA's is that they be given residency status, but
not citizenship. But I would give citizenship to DCA police officers.

Other public service should be considered: Peace Corps, teaching, etc.

Promises of citizenship for military service should also be honored.

Military yes. Years ago we used to do that.
Many years ago I had a Lebanese national as a housemate who
was an Army enlistee and got his citizenship.

But I would limit this to police and military,
and possibly firefighters, i.e, those
who risk life and limb.

Teachers, well, maybe just those who work in
dangerous and challenging inner city school districts

EMTs, forestry workers, social services, child care, elder care.

work yes, and at present they can,
citizenship, no
just for particularly risky public service jobs like
police or military

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:36:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/31/23 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 7:58:32 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

My only problem is with illegals who entered as adults.

Except for Bidens first two years they did give illegal entrants
ability to request asylum and then released them pending future
scheduling including security checks etc.

If they requested asylum, they're not illegal. In fact, they have to be here, or at a port of entry, to apply.

You wrongly presume Joe enforced the law. He didn't.
For his first two years he allowed over a million migrants to cross illegally and request asylum and be released.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/us/politics/asylum-biden-administration.html They are among the more than one million undocumented immigrants who have been allowed into the country temporarily after crossing the border during President Biden’s tenure, part of a record-breaking cascade of irregular migration around the world.

Distinct from the hundreds of thousands who have entered the country undetected during Mr. Biden’s term, many of the one million are hoping for asylum — a long shot — and will have to wait seven years on average before a decision on their case is
reached because of the nation’s clogged immigration system.

ScottW

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You wrongly presume Joe enforced the law. He didn't.
For his first two years he allowed over a million migrants to cross illegally
and request asylum and be released.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/us/politics/asylum-biden-administration.html
They are among the more than one million undocumented immigrants who have been allowed into the country temporarily after crossing the border during President Biden’s tenure, part of a record-breaking cascade of irregular migration around the world.

Distinct from the hundreds of thousands who have entered the country undetected during Mr. Biden’s term, many of the one million are hoping for asylum — a long shot — and will have to wait seven years on average before a decision on their case is

reached because of the nation’s clogged immigration system.

ScottW

You are correct, but, .... there are also legitimate asylum seekers who came in here
the right way. once here, they got their papers pretty quickly
and some of them are already citizens.

I know a number of Burmese who have come here as political asylum seekers.

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:39:11 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

You wrongly presume Joe enforced the law. He didn't.
For his first two years he allowed over a million migrants to cross illegally
and request asylum and be released.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/us/politics/asylum-biden-administration.html
They are among the more than one million undocumented immigrants who have been allowed into the country temporarily after crossing the border during President Biden’s tenure, part of a record-breaking cascade of irregular migration around the world.

Distinct from the hundreds of thousands who have entered the country undetected during Mr. Biden’s term, many of the one million are hoping for asylum — a long shot — and will have to wait seven years on average before a decision on their case

is reached because of the nation’s clogged immigration system.

ScottW

You are correct, but, .... there are also legitimate asylum seekers who came in here
the right way. once here, they got their papers pretty quickly
and some of them are already citizens.

I know a number of Burmese who have come here as political asylum seekers.

There are almost 1.6 million asylum-seekers waiting for an asylum hearing in the U.S., according to 2022 data from the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, or TRAC, at Syracuse University in New York.

Attorneys with private and pro bono practices are overloaded with unresolved cases for years, a problem that inhibits them from taking on new clients and harms those they already have, explained experts, who say that the immigration system has not been
able to adapt to the current migratory flow.

“It’s hard for us to expand our services and take on more clients because we can’t close any of our cases,” said Rachel Kafele, director of programs for Oasis Legal Services, a nonprofit organization that offers free legal advice and support to
immigrants from the LGBTQ community in California and parts of Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

Oasis has a three-month waitlist for new cases because more than 800 of its clients haven't gotten an appointment with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. “We have clients who applied for asylum in 2014 and are still waiting for their interview,"
Kafele said.

ScottW

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On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 7:43:26 PM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:39:11 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

You wrongly presume Joe enforced the law. He didn't.
For his first two years he allowed over a million migrants to cross illegally
and request asylum and be released.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/us/politics/asylum-biden-administration.html
They are among the more than one million undocumented immigrants who have been allowed into the country temporarily after crossing the border during President Biden’s tenure, part of a record-breaking cascade of irregular migration around the

world.

Distinct from the hundreds of thousands who have entered the country undetected during Mr. Biden’s term, many of the one million are hoping for asylum — a long shot — and will have to wait seven years on average before a decision on their

case is reached because of the nation’s clogged immigration system.

ScottW

You are correct, but, .... there are also legitimate asylum seekers who came in here
the right way. once here, they got their papers pretty quickly
and some of them are already citizens.

I know a number of Burmese who have come here as political asylum seekers.

There are almost 1.6 million asylum-seekers waiting for an asylum hearing in the U.S., according to 2022 data from the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, or TRAC, at Syracuse University in New York.

Attorneys with private and pro bono practices are overloaded with unresolved cases for years, a problem that inhibits them from taking on new clients and harms those they already have, explained experts, who say that the immigration system has not been

able to adapt to the current migratory flow.

“It’s hard for us to expand our services and take on more clients because we can’t close any of our cases,” said Rachel Kafele, director of programs for Oasis Legal Services, a nonprofit organization that offers free legal advice and support to

immigrants from the LGBTQ community in California and parts of Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

Oasis has a three-month waitlist for new cases because more than 800 of its clients haven't gotten an appointment with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. “We have clients who applied for asylum in 2014 and are still waiting for their

interview," Kafele said.

ScottW

My immigration lawyer quit doing that and switched to doing real estate closings.
For the very same reasons you state.
I just became impossible to resolve cases.
He claimed it actually caused him to have PTSD.
It was driving him insane.

AFA the Burmese I know, they somehow are not caught in the above mess. Three of three are
already citizens and a fourth member of their family is scheduled to arrive in September.

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On 7/31/23 6:25 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:36:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 7/31/23 10:17 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 7:58:32 AM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:

My only problem is with illegals who entered as adults.

Except for Bidens first two years they did give illegal entrants
ability to request asylum and then released them pending future
scheduling including security checks etc.

If they requested asylum, they're not illegal. In fact, they have
to be here, or at a port of entry, to apply.

You wrongly presume Joe enforced the law. He didn't. For his first
two years he allowed over a million migrants to cross illegally and
request asylum and be released.

Under parole.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-biden-administrations-use-of-immigration-parole-authority-is-a-smart-and-lawful-approach-to-todays-migration-challenges/

There should be little question that the CHNV parole processes are
legal. Section 212(d)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act
grants the U.S secretary of homeland security the discretionary
authority to “parole into the United States temporarily under such
conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any [noncitizen]
applying for admission to the United States.” The terms “urgent humanitarian reasons” and “significant public benefit” are not defined
by statute and are therefore left to the agency’s reasonable
interpretation. In fact, when Congress amended the immigration parole
statute to replace prior language that authorized parole for “emergent reasons or for reasons deemed strictly in the public interest” with
these terms, a narrow definition for the language—which would have
allowed parole for an extremely restrictive and specific set of
reasons—was included in the version of the legislation that moved out of
the U.S. House Judiciary Committee. However, the restrictive language
was stripped before the legislation was placed before the U.S. House of Representatives for a vote. That limiting language was also omitted from
the Senate version of the bill, as well as from the final piece of
legislation that ultimately was signed into law—all strong indications
that Congress rejected the constraints that such language would have
placed on the executive’s authority and approved the agency’s use of its expertise and judgment to give further meaning to the terms.

End quote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/us/politics/asylum-biden-administration.html

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