• Wanna feel good story on hydrogen to save the world?

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 25 14:48:18 2023
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 26 09:39:25 2023
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 11:33:52 2023
    On 7/26/23 9:39 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars

    OTOOH:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

    The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

    Sukbae Lee, Ji-Hoon Kim, Young-Wan Kwon

    "For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure. The
    superconductivity of LK-99 is proved with the Critical temperature (Tc), Zero-resistivity, Critical current (Ic), Critical magnetic field (Hc),
    and the Meissner effect. The superconductivity of LK-99 originates from
    minute structural distortion by a slight volume shrinkage (0.48 %), not
    by external factors such as temperature and pressure. The shrinkage is
    caused by Cu2+ substitution of Pb2+(2) ions in the insulating network of Pb(2)-phosphate and it generates the stress. It concurrently transfers
    to Pb(1) of the cylindrical column resulting in distortion of the
    cylindrical column interface, which creates superconducting quantum
    wells (SQWs) in the interface. The heat capacity results indicated that
    the new model is suitable for explaining the superconductivity of LK-99.
    The unique structure of LK-99 that allows the minute distorted structure
    to be maintained in the interfaces is the most important factor that
    LK-99 maintains and exhibits superconductivity at room temperatures and
    ambient pressure."

    Probably will work great with those new super batteries that keep
    getting announced.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 10:12:51 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:33:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 9:39 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars
    OTOOH:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

    The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

    Sukbae Lee, Ji-Hoon Kim, Young-Wan Kwon

    "For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure. The superconductivity of LK-99 is proved with the Critical temperature (Tc), Zero-resistivity, Critical current (Ic), Critical magnetic field (Hc),
    and the Meissner effect. The superconductivity of LK-99 originates from minute structural distortion by a slight volume shrinkage (0.48 %), not
    by external factors such as temperature and pressure. The shrinkage is caused by Cu2+ substitution of Pb2+(2) ions in the insulating network of Pb(2)-phosphate and it generates the stress. It concurrently transfers
    to Pb(1) of the cylindrical column resulting in distortion of the cylindrical column interface, which creates superconducting quantum
    wells (SQWs) in the interface. The heat capacity results indicated that
    the new model is suitable for explaining the superconductivity of LK-99.
    The unique structure of LK-99 that allows the minute distorted structure
    to be maintained in the interfaces is the most important factor that
    LK-99 maintains and exhibits superconductivity at room temperatures and ambient pressure."

    Probably will work great with those new super batteries that keep
    getting announced.

    I wonder how much it will cost to have your home electrical supply upgraded with the super conductor?
    You're gonna need it.

    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).

    At current SDGE rates it will cost around 85$ to charge your car...slowly. Not bad for 800 miles.
    Downside is....SDGE has zero surplus capacity to support this and is actually already in deficit
    from 4 to 9 PM.

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Jul 26 13:22:07 2023
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:33:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 9:39 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars
    OTOOH:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

    The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

    Sukbae Lee, Ji-Hoon Kim, Young-Wan Kwon

    "For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the
    room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient
    pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure..."

    Probably will work great with those new super batteries that keep
    getting announced.

    I wonder how much it will cost to have your home electrical supply upgraded with the super conductor?
    You're gonna need it.

    The suggested uses were for things much smaller than houses such as
    phones, so no transmission lines or distribution.

    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).

    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.

    At current SDGE rates it will cost around 85$ to charge your car...slowly. Not bad for 800 miles.
    Downside is....SDGE has zero surplus capacity to support this and is actually already in deficit
    from 4 to 9 PM.

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.

    Remember back when cobalt was the problem?

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 14:16:22 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:22:11 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:33:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 9:39 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars
    OTOOH:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

    The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

    Sukbae Lee, Ji-Hoon Kim, Young-Wan Kwon

    "For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the
    room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient >> pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure..."

    Probably will work great with those new super batteries that keep
    getting announced.

    I wonder how much it will cost to have your home electrical supply upgraded with the super conductor?
    You're gonna need it.
    The suggested uses were for things much smaller than houses such as
    phones, so no transmission lines or distribution.
    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).
    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.
    At current SDGE rates it will cost around 85$ to charge your car...slowly. Not bad for 800 miles.
    Downside is....SDGE has zero surplus capacity to support this and is actually already in deficit
    from 4 to 9 PM.

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.
    Remember back when cobalt was the problem?

    I remember way back when phlogiston was the problem.

    The phlogiston theory was an early chemical theory that attempted to explain the process of oxidation, which is the reaction that occurs during combustion and rusting1234. The theory postulated the existence of a fire-like element called phlogiston,
    which was contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion1245. The idea was first proposed by Johann Joachim Becher in 1667 and later put together more formally by Georg Ernst Stahl2. The theory was challenged by the concomitant weight
    increase and was abandoned before the end of the 18th century following experiments by Antoine Lavoisier and others2. The phlogiston theory led to experiments that ultimately concluded with the discovery of oxygen2.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Wed Jul 26 16:28:39 2023
    On 7/26/23 4:16 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:22:11 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.
    Remember back when cobalt was the problem?

    I remember way back when phlogiston was the problem.

    That was a good one. That and ether as a transmission medium.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 26 22:16:06 2023
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 9:33:55 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 9:39 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/25/23 4:48 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Well....this ain't it.

    It's a reality story.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hydrogen-no-matter-the-colour-cannot-stop-the-looming-renewable-energy-train-crash/ar-AA1eh6Gx

    Sorry, Toyota. OTOH:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars
    OTOOH:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

    The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor

    Sukbae Lee, Ji-Hoon Kim, Young-Wan Kwon

    "For the first time in the world, we succeeded in synthesizing the
    room-temperature superconductor (Tc≥400 K, 127∘C) working at ambient >> pressure with a modified lead-apatite (LK-99) structure..."

    Probably will work great with those new super batteries that keep
    getting announced.

    I wonder how much it will cost to have your home electrical supply upgraded with the super conductor?
    You're gonna need it.
    The suggested uses were for things much smaller than houses such as
    phones, so no transmission lines or distribution.
    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).
    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.

    LoL....that's the raw power numbers. Simple energy requirements.
    I've not seen anyone changing the laws of physics in batteries or their chargers.

    At current SDGE rates it will cost around 85$ to charge your car...slowly. Not bad for 800 miles.
    Downside is....SDGE has zero surplus capacity to support this and is actually already in deficit
    from 4 to 9 PM.

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.
    Remember back when cobalt was the problem?

    No.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 27 09:16:44 2023
    On 7/27/23 12:16 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).
    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.

    LoL....that's the raw power numbers. Simple energy requirements.
    I've not seen anyone changing the laws of physics in batteries or their chargers.

    Please continue to shift your assumptions when providing
    back-of-the-envelope examples. It make them easier to ignore.

    At current SDGE rates it will cost around 85$ to charge your car...slowly. Not bad for 800 miles.
    Downside is....SDGE has zero surplus capacity to support this and is actually already in deficit
    from 4 to 9 PM.

    The other downside....the new battery requires 35% more lithium.
    Remember back when cobalt was the problem?

    No.

    You referred to it just a year ago.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 08:53:49 2023
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:16:47 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 12:16 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).
    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.

    LoL....that's the raw power numbers. Simple energy requirements.
    I've not seen anyone changing the laws of physics in batteries or their chargers.
    Please continue to shift your assumptions when providing back-of-the-envelope examples. It make them easier to ignore.

    Assumptions? You tell me how you move 150 kW in 10 minutes with a supply voltage of 220.
    There is no "assumption". It's simple basic rules of electricity.

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 27 11:11:38 2023
    On 7/27/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:16:47 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 12:16 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:22:11 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/26/23 12:12 PM, ScottW wrote:

    The toyota "fast charger" will need roughly 680 amps of 220 (and that's being generous with no loss factor).
    Unless they improve it before it reaches market.

    LoL....that's the raw power numbers. Simple energy requirements.
    I've not seen anyone changing the laws of physics in batteries or their chargers.
    Please continue to shift your assumptions when providing
    back-of-the-envelope examples. It make them easier to ignore.

    Assumptions? You tell me how you move 150 kW in 10 minutes with a supply voltage of 220.
    There is no "assumption". It's simple basic rules of electricity.

    Then you'll say "being generous with no loss factor" which shows an
    assumption being made.

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    The back of your envelope? You have access to Toyota's proprietary
    battery design information?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 13:49:12 2023
    On 7/27/23 11:11 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    The back of your envelope? You have access to Toyota's proprietary
    battery design information?

    Update on the superconductor:

    https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684622263339884544

    "I have bad news. I am growing increasingly convinced that LK-99 is
    simply diamagnetic, rather than superconducting. It lines up well with
    existing evidence (susceptibility, levitation, lack of heat capacity singularity, etc.)

    Expectation vs. reality."

    Pianists aren't expected to know what "diamagnetic" means...

    Something to do with quantum physics and frogs:

    http://ch301.cm.utexas.edu/imfs/#mo/magnetism.html

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 14:32:06 2023
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 11:11 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    The back of your envelope? You have access to Toyota's proprietary
    battery design information?
    Update on the superconductor:

    https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684622263339884544

    "I have bad news. I am growing increasingly convinced that LK-99 is
    simply diamagnetic, rather than superconducting. It lines up well with existing evidence (susceptibility, levitation, lack of heat capacity singularity, etc.)

    Expectation vs. reality."

    Pianists aren't expected to know what "diamagnetic" means...

    Copper is diamagnetic....no big deal.

    ScottW

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 16:41:11 2023
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 4:19:29 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 4:32 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 11:11 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    The back of your envelope? You have access to Toyota's proprietary
    battery design information?
    Update on the superconductor:

    https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684622263339884544

    "I have bad news. I am growing increasingly convinced that LK-99 is
    simply diamagnetic, rather than superconducting. It lines up well with
    existing evidence (susceptibility, levitation, lack of heat capacity
    singularity, etc.)

    Expectation vs. reality."

    Pianists aren't expected to know what "diamagnetic" means...

    Copper is diamagnetic....no big deal.
    Copper does this?:

    https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1684218600456876032

    https://www.exploratorium.edu/snacks/stripped-down-motor

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Jul 27 18:19:25 2023
    On 7/27/23 4:32 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 11:49:16 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 11:11 AM, mINE109 wrote:
    On 7/27/23 10:53 AM, ScottW wrote:

    Now you're just ignoring simple facts.

    The back of your envelope? You have access to Toyota's proprietary
    battery design information?
    Update on the superconductor:

    https://twitter.com/alexkaplan0/status/1684622263339884544

    "I have bad news. I am growing increasingly convinced that LK-99 is
    simply diamagnetic, rather than superconducting. It lines up well with
    existing evidence (susceptibility, levitation, lack of heat capacity
    singularity, etc.)

    Expectation vs. reality."

    Pianists aren't expected to know what "diamagnetic" means...

    Copper is diamagnetic....no big deal.
    Copper does this?:

    https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1684218600456876032

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