https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
With the additional weight of EV's, do they require a special class
of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear out
at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottWWith the additional weight of EV's, do they require a special class of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear out at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
A claim not made in your cite.Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
A claim not made in your cite.Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
With the additional weight of EV's, do they require a special class
of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear out
at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?That's "tyres" as the piece is from the widely-respected (NOT!)
Telegraph UK.
The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400 lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 9:57:27 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottWWith the additional weight of EV's, do they require a special class of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear out at a much faster rate?Yes they do.
And what would that difference be?Remains to be seen. Eventually I suspect it will shake out as needing more tire to get the same life.
So the tire life is the same....but you've got a bigger tire with a lot more rubber.
ScottW
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
You are suffering a Biden moment. I didn't make that cite, Scott
did.
With the additional weight of EV's, do they require a specialThat's "tyres" as the piece is from the widely-respected (NOT!)
class of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear
out at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?
Telegraph UK.
answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblings
The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400
lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending on
options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. The
Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE
and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
Ever looked at the carbon footprint of asphalt and concrete?
And that recent news on low carbon concrete is for bricks....not poured concrete.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37?AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34?AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
You are suffering a Biden moment.
I didn't make that cite, Scott did.
With the additional weight of EV's, do they require a special classThat's "tyres" as the piece is from the widely-respected (NOT!)
of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear out
at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?
Telegraph UK.
answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblings
The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400 lbs. The
average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending on options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. The Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
On 6/28/23 10:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
You are suffering a Biden moment. I didn't make that cite, ScottCount the check marks and you'll see to whom I replied.
did.
With the additional weight of EV's, do they require a specialThat's "tyres" as the piece is from the widely-respected (NOT!)
class of tires?
If EV's use standard passenger car tires, wouldn't the tires wear
out at a much faster rate?
And what would that difference be?
Telegraph UK.
answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblingsThat's a question for Scott but this mentions potholes, but not car weight:
https://www.bridgestonetire.com/learn/maintenance/how-long-a-tire-lasts/
The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400
lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending onThat would be nine to four hundred pounds below average.
options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. TheAn "average car" is not the same thing as "the average car." As gotchas,
Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE
and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
go, exceptionally weak.
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW**This:
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/28/23 10:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
A claim not made in your cite.EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblingsThat's a question for Scott but this mentions potholes, but not car weight: >>
https://www.bridgestonetire.com/learn/maintenance/how-long-a-tire-lasts/ >>>> The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400
That would be nine to four hundred pounds below average.lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending on
options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. TheAn "average car" is not the same thing as "the average car." As gotchas,
Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE
and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
go, exceptionally weak.
you are so FULL OF SHIT
you still claim 4000 lbs is average car.
What cars are 4000 lbs or greater?
give me a list. You might find a few, but they would not be big sellers,
Here are the big sellers
https://www.edmunds.com/most-popular-cars/
The car I mentioned, the Camry happens to be the second biggest seller.
You will note that many on that list are TRUCKS. They don't count as cars, because what we are comparing are ICE cars vs EV cars.
Five of the ten nest sellers are trucks, one is an EV car.
Four are ICE cars.
The average wight of a RAV4, an SUV (I will count that as a car) is 3700 lbs. The average weight of a Corolla is 2,800 lbs.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting
my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my
EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish this.
Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present electricity needs.
On 6/28/23 10:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
Ever looked at the carbon footprint of asphalt and concrete?Where in your cite is that information?
And that recent news on low carbon concrete is for bricks....not poured concrete.That may be true for whatever recent news you may have seen, but not for
all lower carbon concrete.
https://www.carboncure.com/concrete-corner/a-complete-guide-to-low-carbon-concrete/
On 6/28/23 3:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/28/23 10:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote: >>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
That's a question for Scott but this mentions potholes, but not car weight:answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblingsA claim not made in your cite.EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
https://www.bridgestonetire.com/learn/maintenance/how-long-a-tire-lasts/ >>>> The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400
That would be nine to four hundred pounds below average.lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending on
options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. TheAn "average car" is not the same thing as "the average car." As gotchas, >> go, exceptionally weak.
Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE
and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
you are so FULL OF SHITAnd you've jumped to conclusions. You don't think I looked it up?
https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/average-car-weight/
you still claim 4000 lbs is average car.4,156.
What cars are 4000 lbs or greater?
It's "vehicle" which is reasonable considering Scott is talking about
road wear but I'll grant I did say "car" above. However, the original
cite, my source, and the term "EV" all have vehicle in them, which makes sense considering how trucks and SUVs are high-selling vehicles. Ford doesn't even sell "cars" that aren't Mustangs.
give me a list. You might find a few, but they would not be big sellers,
Sedans: Mazda 3, Mazda 5, VW Jetta, Subaru Impreza, Hyundai Sonata, BMW
3 Series, Nissan Maxima
Others: Ford Explorer, Chevy Blazer, Dodge Durango, Kia Telluride, Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Mazda CX-5, Honda CR-V.
Some trucks that are big sellers: Chevy Silverado, Ford F150.
Here's a source for 85 vehicles but no trucks between 4,000-5,000:
https://readysetrev.com/what-vehicles-weigh-over-4000-pounds
Here are the big sellers
https://www.edmunds.com/most-popular-cars/
The car I mentioned, the Camry happens to be the second biggest seller. You will note that many on that list are TRUCKS. They don't count as cars, because what we are comparing are ICE cars vs EV cars.Since they are all road-going, they all count.
Five of the ten nest sellers are trucks, one is an EV car.
Four are ICE cars.
The average wight of a RAV4, an SUV (I will count that as a car) is 3700 lbs.The figures I cite was the average weight of all vehicles, not the
The average weight of a Corolla is 2,800 lbs.
weight of an individual car. Still, all over 6.000:
https://amanandhisgear.com/vehicles-that-weigh-over-6000-pounds
2023 Buick Enclave
2023 Cadillac Escalade
2023 Chevrolet Blazer
2023 Chevrolet Suburban
2023 Chevrolet Tahoe
2023 Ford Explorer
2023 GMC Yukon & Yukon XL
2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Toyota 4Runner
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/28/23 10:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:Where in your cite is that information?
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:A claim not made in your cite.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
Ever looked at the carbon footprint of asphalt and concrete?
I am going to accept your ignorance on the topic.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 5:38:27 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/28/23 3:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:And you've jumped to conclusions. You don't think I looked it up?
On 6/28/23 10:59 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/27/23 11:57 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:43:34 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote: >>>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
That's a question for Scott but this mentions potholes, but not car weight:answer the question, stop your incessant semantic quibblingsA claim not made in your cite.EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents.... >>>>>>>> Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
https://www.bridgestonetire.com/learn/maintenance/how-long-a-tire-lasts/ >>>>>> The complaint is cars weighing more than "two tonnes," or 4,400
That would be nine to four hundred pounds below average.lbs. The average for cars in the US is just over 4,000 lbs.
A Camry, pretty average, is 3200 to 3.750 pounds, depending on
options
The weight of a Toyota Camry can vary depending on the model. TheAn "average car" is not the same thing as "the average car." As gotchas, >>>> go, exceptionally weak.
Camry LE, for example, weighs in at 3,240 pounds, while the Camry SE >>>>> and XLE weigh in at 3,380 pounds.
you are so FULL OF SHIT
Congrats! You looked up some wrong information, you PUTZ
That is vehicle weight not car weight
https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/average-car-weight/
you still claim 4000 lbs is average car.4,156.
What cars are 4000 lbs or greater?
It's "vehicle" which is reasonable considering Scott is talking about
road wear but I'll grant I did say "car" above. However, the original
cite, my source, and the term "EV" all have vehicle in them, which makes
sense considering how trucks and SUVs are high-selling vehicles. Ford
doesn't even sell "cars" that aren't Mustangs.
Listen Scmucko, when you compare weights of ICE to EV, you have to compare comparable
vehicles.
give me a list. You might find a few, but they would not be big sellers,
Sedans: Mazda 3, Mazda 5, VW Jetta, Subaru Impreza, Hyundai Sonata, BMW
3 Series, Nissan Maxima
You shot yourself in the foot again. They are NOT over 4,000 lbs.
Others: Ford Explorer, Chevy Blazer, Dodge Durango, Kia Telluride, Honda
Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Mazda CX-5, Honda CR-V.
Most of those are trucks
Some trucks that are big sellers: Chevy Silverado, Ford F150.
Trucks
Here's a source for 85 vehicles but no trucks between 4,000-5,000:
WRONG WRONG WRONG.
THAT LIST INCLUDES EV'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are comparing ICE weights vs EV weights, and you give me a list
of some trucks and EV cars.
For exampel, the ICE versions of Toyota RAV4 s
and Hyundai Tucsons are well under 4,000 lbs,
Those 4500 lb wights you cited are for the EV versions.
You are a complete fucking idiot.
https://readysetrev.com/what-vehicles-weigh-over-4000-pounds
Here are the big sellersSince they are all road-going, they all count.
https://www.edmunds.com/most-popular-cars/
The car I mentioned, the Camry happens to be the second biggest seller.
You will note that many on that list are TRUCKS. They don't count as cars, >>> because what we are comparing are ICE cars vs EV cars.
Five of the ten nest sellers are trucks, one is an EV car.
Four are ICE cars.
NO THEY DON''T ALL COUNT
we are coparing weights of ICe cars with EV cats.
The average wight of a RAV4, an SUV (I will count that as a car) is 3700 lbs.The figures I cite was the average weight of all vehicles, not the
The average weight of a Corolla is 2,800 lbs.
weight of an individual car. Still, all over 6.000:
https://amanandhisgear.com/vehicles-that-weigh-over-6000-pounds
2023 Buick Enclave
2023 Cadillac Escalade
2023 Chevrolet Blazer
2023 Chevrolet Suburban
2023 Chevrolet Tahoe
2023 Ford Explorer
2023 GMC Yukon & Yukon XL
2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Toyota 4Runner
Absolutely no differentiation between whether those weights refer to ICE or EV.
Some are outside the classification of 'car'
I did find two high weight ICE SUV's, The Lincoln Navigator and the Cadillac Escalade.
But those are luxury vehicles and are not big sellers.
Here are some weight differences between COMPARABLE EV and ICE models:
Toyota RAV4 ICE 3,500 lb avg.
Comparable Toyota BZ4X EV 4,350lb avg
Mustang ICE 3,750lb Avg
Mustang EV 4,650lb avg
Hyundai Santa FE 3,850 lb avg (and a slightly larger SUV)
Hyundai Ionic5 EV 4,450 lb avg
The average difference between a comparable ICE and EV car is about 800 lbs.
The bottom line is these facts:
An EV car weighs about 800 lbs more and is about 35% heavier than a comparable OCE car.
No amount of your usual lies, obfuscations and misinformation can hide the truth.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's
piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages
"twice as fast" whatever that means?
What's your opinion about US CAFE standards that encourage the sales of heavier vehicles, causing similar excess road damage?
O
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's
piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages
"twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
While you're crying in your latte (check out the new Sparks release),What's your opinion about US CAFE standards that encourage the sales of
heavier vehicles, causing similar excess road damage?
I like French cafes that have real French bread.
US cafes suck.
The French like to bicycle to their cafes.
I drink my coffee at home, saving emissions, road wear, and traffic deaths.
I am a good citizen, other than eating beef and grilling on my charcoal grill.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my
EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish
this.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Explains your very long naps.Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present
electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.
ScottW
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
O
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's
piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages
"twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate thatHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
What's your opinion about US CAFE standards that encourage the sales of >> heavier vehicles, causing similar excess road damage?
I like French cafes that have real French bread.While you're crying in your latte (check out the new Sparks release),
US cafes suck.
The French like to bicycle to their cafes.
I drink my coffee at home, saving emissions, road wear, and traffic deaths.
I am a good citizen, other than eating beef and grilling on my charcoal grill.
give this a read:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blame
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or
even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll
have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they
keep getting bigger.
However, there is one counterintuitive explanation for ever-larger cars
with every passing model year: Fuel economy regulations.
Our regulatory environment, as you'll soon see, is intended to encourage manufacturers to build small, fuel-efficient vehicles. But despite the governmental push for more efficient, eco-friendly cars, the actual data does not lie: Modern cars are growing at a rate that seems untenable."
Read on for how a vehicle over 6,000 lbs gross vehicle weight can be a
light truck with a lower fuel mileage requirement. Thrill to the
description of how a Subaru Crosstrek, an ordinary unibody hatchback, qualifies due to all-wheel drive, weight, axle clearance, "breakover
angle" and "departure angle."
"With that light truck classification comes the benefit of less-strict mileage standards. Whether consumers adore the vehicles or not, there's
a clear incentive here for manufacturers to build and sell more light trucks; they can game Section 523.5 to build cars that are judged less harshly by CAFE standards. So while the Crosstrek is my example, it's
far from the only one out there. There's a reason why light trucks
accounted for nearly 80 percent of new vehicles sold last month: Almost every crossover or SUV with AWD for sale today is a light truck."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold.
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:36:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's
piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages
"twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
That's not my problem.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blame
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or
even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll
have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they
keep getting bigger."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your
comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold.
we were talking about the comparative weight of ICE cars vs EV cars.
and how that might effect road maintenance
All of your above babbling is very nice, but completely off point,
Light trucks have nothing to do with this discussion.
On 6/30/23 8:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:36:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's >>>> piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages >>>> "twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
That's not my problem.No one thinks that's your problem.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blame
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or
even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll >> have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they
keep getting bigger."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your
comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold.
we were talking about the comparative weight of ICE cars vs EV cars.But we weren't.
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 5:29:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/30/23 8:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:36:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:No one thinks that's your problem.
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's >>>>>> piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages >>>>>> "twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
That's not my problem.
But we weren't.https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blamewe were talking about the comparative weight of ICE cars vs EV cars.
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or >>>> even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll >>>> have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they >>>> keep getting bigger."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your
comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold. >>>
Yes we were. Cars vs cars. Trucks vs Trucks.
In every category of vehicle the EV version weighs a whole lot more.
This negatively affects vehicle safety and road life. That is indisputable.
On 7/1/23 10:14 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 5:29:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/30/23 8:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:36:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:No one thinks that's your problem.
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's >>>>>> piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages >>>>>> "twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
That's not my problem.
But we weren't.https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blamewe were talking about the comparative weight of ICE cars vs EV cars.
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or >>>> even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll >>>> have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they >>>> keep getting bigger."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your >>>> comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold. >>>
Yes we were. Cars vs cars. Trucks vs Trucks.Your cite: "EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol
equivalents." I'll grant you that but with the provision that in the not-too-distant future envisioned by the author, there won't be any equivalents as they won't be on sale.
My point is any 2 tonne vehicle will cause the same damage as any other
2 tonne vehicle.
Sadly, the Telegraph story source is paywalled but the headline doesn't inspire confidence. "Pothole damage... is double"? Who knows the dodgy metrics at play there.
Is the alternative of imposing weight limits mentioned?
In every category of vehicle the EV version weighs a whole lot more.800 pounds is 20% of the average vehicle. However, the "secret sauce" of innovation will lower that excess weight.
This negatively affects vehicle safety and road life. That is indisputable.Yes, hence my invoking the way the US subsidizes heavier vehicles thru
CAFE standards.
If EVs are bad because they're heavy, let's see your protests against
light truck SUVs.
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 12:09:41 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
If EVs are bad because they're heavy, let's see your protests
against light truck SUVs.
Pointless EV cars, yes, cars, are bad because they are heavier than
ICE cars, yes cars.
Light truck SUVS that are ICE would be lighter than same such
vehicles that are EV 9if any such exist)
By YOUR standards, I should be appalled by semi tractor trailers, and
evne dump trucks.
On 7/1/23 10:14 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 5:29:58 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 6/30/23 8:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 9:36:16 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:No one thinks that's your problem.
On 6/29/23 3:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
OHe hasn't responded to a different question about the source.
I'm not trying to hide the truth. Speaking of truth, where in Scott's >>>>>> piece does it say that difference causes twice the damage? Or damages >>>>>> "twice as fast" whatever that means?
Ask Scott. I didn't originate that
That's not my problem.
But we weren't.https://www.thedrive.com/news/small-cars-are-getting-huge-are-fuel-economy-regulations-to-blamewe were talking about the comparative weight of ICE cars vs EV cars.
"If you pay attention to the auto industry for any length of time—or >>>> even spend some time simply car-spotting as you sit in traffic—you'll >>>> have noticed an obvious truth about modern cars: They're big, and they >>>> keep getting bigger."
If you say 80% of vehicles sold don't count for your comparison, your >>>> comparison might not be as useful as one that counts all vehicles sold. >>>
Yes we were. Cars vs cars. Trucks vs Trucks.Your cite: "EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol
equivalents." I'll grant you that but with the provision that in the not-too-distant future envisioned by the author, there won't be any equivalents as they won't be on sale.
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.
Concrete trucks are probably among the worst for roads in dump truck domain. Whack the concrete trucks and it's like aborting all road and a whole lotta building construction.Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
Stephen longs for cave dwelling but in Texas I think he'll end up in a sod hut or an adobe shanti if he's lucky.
ScottW
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
You can't build a road without dump trucks.
On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 9:09:41 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
Your cite: "EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol
equivalents." I'll grant you that but with the provision that in the
not-too-distant future envisioned by the author, there won't be any
equivalents as they won't be on sale.
and you'll be paying the hefty price for little or no benefit.
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
Concrete trucks are probably among the worst for roads in dump truck
domain. Whack the concrete trucks and it's like aborting all road and
a whole lotta building construction. Stephen longs for cave dwelling
but in Texas I think he'll end up in a sod hut or an adobe shanti if
he's lucky.
On 7/2/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
Concrete trucks are probably among the worst for roads in dump truck domain. Whack the concrete trucks and it's like aborting all road andDump trucks and concrete trucks are useful despite their inherent
a whole lotta building construction. Stephen longs for cave dwelling
but in Texas I think he'll end up in a sod hut or an adobe shanti if
he's lucky.
dangers and road destroying weight.
If EVs should be banned because they're too heavy, will you propose
banning ICE vehicles of the same weight?
On 7/2/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
Concrete trucks are probably among the worst for roads in dump truck domain. Whack the concrete trucks and it's like aborting all road andDump trucks and concrete trucks are useful despite their inherent
a whole lotta building construction. Stephen longs for cave dwelling
but in Texas I think he'll end up in a sod hut or an adobe shanti if
he's lucky.
dangers and road destroying weight.
If EVs should be banned because they're too heavy, will you propose
banning ICE vehicles of the same weight?
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 7:55:45 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/2/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-7, Art Sackman wrote:Dump trucks and concrete trucks are useful despite their inherent
On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 2:30:40 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
I am appalled by dump trucks and you left out buses.You can't build a road without dump trucks.
Dump trucks are a menace even without considering road damage.
Concrete trucks are probably among the worst for roads in dump truck
domain. Whack the concrete trucks and it's like aborting all road and
a whole lotta building construction. Stephen longs for cave dwelling
but in Texas I think he'll end up in a sod hut or an adobe shanti if
he's lucky.
dangers and road destroying weight.
If EVs should be banned because they're too heavy, will you propose
banning ICE vehicles of the same weight?
First if all, where did I say EV's should be banned?
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of
the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV's
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were ofWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change
the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV's
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
size.
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were ofWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change
the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV's
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
On 7/3/23 7:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of >>> the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV'sWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change >> size.
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
Pounds to pounds.
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my
EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish
this.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Explains your very long naps.Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present
electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.
ScottW
On 29/06/2023 12:24 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my >> EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish >> this.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present >> electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.Explains your very long naps.
ScottW
**You are truly a blithering idiot. Allow me to explain with pictures
and links. Pay close attention, idiot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Australia
And:
https://www.energy-storage.news/australia-had-over-2gwh-of-large-scale-battery-storage-under-construction-at-end-of-2022/
And:
https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/
Which has been storing energy for almost 70 years.
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 3:20:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 29/06/2023 12:24 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
Explains your very long naps.**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting >>>> my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my >>>> EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish >>>> this.**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents....
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present >>>> electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.
ScottW
**You are truly a blithering idiot. Allow me to explain with pictures
and links. Pay close attention, idiot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Australia
And:
https://www.energy-storage.news/australia-had-over-2gwh-of-large-scale-battery-storage-under-construction-at-end-of-2022/
Peanuts....but enjoy the utility rate spike. My total rate with all the fees surcharges and other BS has hit 50c/Kwh.
Their rates are BS.
BTW.....try charging your car between 4 and 10 PM. 80c/KwH.
And:
https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/
Which has been storing energy for almost 70 years.
LoL....you've got growing glaciers on demand or just killing fish with dams?
None of this traces your electrons to renewable sources. They're just sucking money from you so you can virtue signal
you dumb fuck.
ScottW
On 5/07/2023 8:32 am, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 3:20:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 29/06/2023 12:24 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
Explains your very long naps.**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting >>>> my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents.... >>>>>>>
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish
this.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present
electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.
ScottW
**You are truly a blithering idiot. Allow me to explain with pictures
and links. Pay close attention, idiot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Australia
And:
https://www.energy-storage.news/australia-had-over-2gwh-of-large-scale-battery-storage-under-construction-at-end-of-2022/
Peanuts....but enjoy the utility rate spike. My total rate with all the fees surcharges and other BS has hit 50c/Kwh.
Their rates are BS.
BTW.....try charging your car between 4 and 10 PM. 80c/KwH.
And:
https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/
Which has been storing energy for almost 70 years.
LoL....you've got growing glaciers on demand or just killing fish with dams?
None of this traces your electrons to renewable sources. They're just sucking money from you so you can virtue signal
you dumb fuck.
ScottW
**Here is your claim moron:
"So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days."
I proved you wrong. As usual.
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:17:25 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 5/07/2023 8:32 am, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 3:20:14 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:**Here is your claim moron:
On 29/06/2023 12:24 pm, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:50:37 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 29/06/2023 6:54 am, Art Sackman wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/time-to-slam-the-brakes-on-the-electric-vehicle-calamity/ar-AA1d6nvw
On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 4:49:20 PM UTC-4, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 28/06/2023 2:43 pm, ScottW wrote:
Explains your very long naps.**Not so. EVs need not emit any CO2. In my own case, I plan on fitting >>>>>> my garage roof with Solar PV panels, which will enable me to recharge my >>>>>> EV with zero emissions. I am far from the only person who can accomplish >>>>>> this.**This:
EVs damage roads twice as much as their petrol equivalents.... >>>>>>>>>
Poof goes that carbon neutrality.
ScottW
https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500.html
does WAY more damage to roads than this:
https://www.vw.com/en/models/id-4.html
PLUS, the ID4 emits zero CO2 when operating.
EV cars emit CO2, remotely, of course, when charging.
I expect you'll be the first to try and fail.
Then, of course, there are many places where EVs can be charged,
where electricity is sourced from renewable sources. Like all my present >>>>>> electricity needs.
So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days.
ScottW
**You are truly a blithering idiot. Allow me to explain with pictures
and links. Pay close attention, idiot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Australia
And:
https://www.energy-storage.news/australia-had-over-2gwh-of-large-scale-battery-storage-under-construction-at-end-of-2022/
Peanuts....but enjoy the utility rate spike. My total rate with all the fees surcharges and other BS has hit 50c/Kwh.
Their rates are BS.
BTW.....try charging your car between 4 and 10 PM. 80c/KwH.
And:
https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/
Which has been storing energy for almost 70 years.
LoL....you've got growing glaciers on demand or just killing fish with dams?
None of this traces your electrons to renewable sources. They're just sucking money from you so you can virtue signal
you dumb fuck.
ScottW
"So you get zero electricity service at night and cloudy days."
Nobody is calling hydro renewable....it's limited.
As you point out...it had to be stored up for almost 70 years to provide enough
to be worth mentioning.
I proved you wrong. As usual.
If you're lights are on at night you're drawing from carbon fuel sources. Period.
But pay your dumbass premium like the virtue signaling dupe you are.
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 8:55:26 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/3/23 7:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of >>>>> the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV'sWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change >>>> size.
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
Pounds to pounds.
Try carrying a load of hot asphalt in your Tesla.
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:17:25 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Here is your claim moron: "So you get zero electricity service at
night and cloudy days."
Nobody is calling hydro renewable....it's limited.
On 7/4/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:17:25 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:
**Here is your claim moron: "So you get zero electricity service at
night and cloudy days."
Nobody is calling hydro renewable....it's limited.Why do you do this? Solar power is limited, too, as the sun will
eventually deplete itself in some billion years.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/water/hydropower-basics
"Hydropower, or hydroelectric power, is one of the oldest and largest sources of renewable energy, which uses the natural flow of moving water
to generate electricity. Hydropower currently accounts for 28.7% of
total U.S. renewable electricity generation and about 6.2% of total U.S. electricity generation."
On 7/4/23 2:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 8:55:26 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/3/23 7:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of >>>>> the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV'sWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change >>>> size.
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
Pounds to pounds.
Try carrying a load of hot asphalt in your Tesla.It would have the same effect on the road as the same load in another vehicle of the same weight. Well, assuming the same number of axles.\
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 10:55:44 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/4/23 2:12 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 8:55:26 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:It would have the same effect on the road as the same load in another
On 7/3/23 7:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of >>>>>>> the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV'sWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change >>>>>> size.
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
Pounds to pounds.
Try carrying a load of hot asphalt in your Tesla.
vehicle of the same weight. Well, assuming the same number of axles.\
Yes, but if you are looking for a particular class and size of vehicle,
the ICE one will be 700lb to 800lb lighter than the EV one.
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 7/4/23 10:53 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 4:17:25 PM UTC-7, Trevor Wilson wrote:Why do you do this? Solar power is limited, too, as the sun will
**Here is your claim moron: "So you get zero electricity service at
night and cloudy days."
Nobody is calling hydro renewable....it's limited.
eventually deplete itself in some billion years.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/water/hydropower-basics
"Hydropower, or hydroelectric power, is one of the oldest and largest
sources of renewable energy, which uses the natural flow of moving water
to generate electricity. Hydropower currently accounts for 28.7% of
total U.S. renewable electricity generation and about 6.2% of total U.S.
electricity generation."
I've no problem with hydro.....but in Ca. the dumbass environmentalists
can't get past the delta smelt.
In any case....hydro isn't a growing source and your climate change scare mongerers are
telling us it's in decline as snow will be no more.
On 7/3/23 7:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
Second, the same result should be had ONLY IF the two vehicles were of >>> the same class. and size. Don't compare pickup trucks to SUV'sWeight is weight as far as roads go and truck and SUV models can change >> size.
Nor compact SUV's with full size.
Then just compare similar sized in similar class.Pounds to pounds.
Eeezie peezie
Apples to Apples
Oranges to Oranges
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 715 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 27:04:54 |
| Calls: | 12,106 |
| Calls today: | 6 |
| Files: | 15,006 |
| Messages: | 6,518,203 |