I am not talking about national reparations. That is a different issue.

Localized reparations are unworkable, unjust, and do not compensate the descendants on aggrieved people.

Case in point: Greenbelt, Maryland.

Greenbelt was an early planned community, born of the idealism of
of the liberal Democrat administration of FDR

https://www.ghi.coop/content/ghi-greenbelt-history

It came to be in the late 1930's. New construction in an unpopulated
wooded area beyond the edges of the then smaller Maryland
suburbs of Washington, D.C.. Apartment and rowhouse homes owned
as a cooperative. Each resident family owned a share of the cooperative,
but not the actual residence itself.

But it had a problem. African Americans were prohibited from living there
or owning a share of the cooperative. Until the latter part of the 1960's even then, there were very few blacks living there (at least in the original
cooperative community. Greenbelt has since expanded and annexed
more territory). I worked in the greater Greenbelt community from 1979
to 1987. Just outside the entrance road to the original Coopertive neighborhood. And hardly any blacks lived in old Greenbelt.

https://www.greenbeltmuseum.org/post/black-history-month-18-desegregating-greenbelt-interview-now-viewable-1

Right now. Greenbelt had a referendum on reparations, and it passed.
A committee has been formed to study the issue.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations in general.
But the question is this: How does the community address and atone for
the wrongs of the past?

There are people years ago who applied and were denied. They have descendants.

There are people who never even applied, knowing full well they would be denied. And they have descendants.

And there are current black residents whose ancestors never applied,
never considered applying, were never denied, and who's ancestors lived in other parts of America during the period of segregation.

So, why should the current black residents be paid reparations, when
their particular ancestors were not affected by Greenbelt segregation,
while the ancestors of the actual black people who suffered,
the ancestors who (who remain unidentified and we don't know
where they now reside) are paid nothing??

This is unreasonable.

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized, not localized, because of intervening population migration, over time.

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On 5/22/23 5:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I am not talking about national reparations. That is a different
issue.

Localized reparations are unworkable, unjust, and do not compensate
the descendants on aggrieved people.

Especially if attempts to compensate them are prevented by specious
objections.

https://www.greenbeltmuseum.org/post/black-history-month-18-desegregating-greenbelt-interview-now-viewable-1

Right now. Greenbelt had a referendum on reparations, and it
passed. A committee has been formed to study the issue.

By "right now," you mean "November 2021," a year and a half ago.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations in
general. But the question is this: How does the community address
and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it. Too bad
the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd encourage you to participate.

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized, not
localized, because of intervening population migration, over time.

Not to worry: no matter how much reparation is paid, the man will still
be ahead.

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On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 5:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I am not talking about national reparations. That is a different
issue.

Localized reparations are unworkable, unjust, and do not compensate
the descendants on aggrieved people.

Especially if attempts to compensate them are prevented by specious objections.

There IS NO attempt to compensate them. not even to identify them
Greenbelt is a liberal bastion. There are no conservatives heir trying to thwart this.

https://www.greenbeltmuseum.org/post/black-history-month-18-desegregating-greenbelt-interview-now-viewable-1

Right now. Greenbelt had a referendum on reparations, and it
passed. A committee has been formed to study the issue.

By "right now," you mean "November 2021," a year and a half ago.

I said "HAD a referendum" then the committee was formed., and NOW it is working on the issue

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations in
general. But the question is this: How does the community address
and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it. Too bad
the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd encourage you to participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized, not
localized, because of intervening population migration, over time.

Not to worry: no matter how much reparation is paid, the man will still
be ahead.

What man? Do you mean the proverbial white men in charge of oppressing blacks all over America?

Is America the Land of Opportunity or The Land of Oppression????

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On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 5:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I am not talking about national reparations. That is a different
issue.

Localized reparations are unworkable, unjust, and do not compensate
the descendants on aggrieved people.

Especially if attempts to compensate them are prevented by specious
objections.

There IS NO attempt to compensate them. not even to identify them
Greenbelt is a liberal bastion. There are no conservatives heir trying to thwart this.

I was referring to your rationalizations.

https://www.greenbeltmuseum.org/post/black-history-month-18-desegregating-greenbelt-interview-now-viewable-1

Right now. Greenbelt had a referendum on reparations, and it
passed. A committee has been formed to study the issue.

By "right now," you mean "November 2021," a year and a half ago.

I said "HAD a referendum" then the committee was formed., and NOW it is working on the issue

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to have gone
into what was take from slaves and their descendants up to the present.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations in
general. But the question is this: How does the community address
and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it. Too bad
the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd encourage you to
participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized, not
localized, because of intervening population migration, over time.

Not to worry: no matter how much reparation is paid, the man will still
be ahead.

What man? Do you mean the proverbial white men in charge of oppressing blacks all over America?

They're real.

Is America the Land of Opportunity or The Land of Oppression????

Once to every man and nation
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth with falsehood,
For the good or evil side;
Some great cause, God's new Messiah,
Offering each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever
Twixt that darkness and that light.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to have gone
into what was take from slaves and their descendants up to the present.

WTF? Can't you read???? The subject of my OP was LOCAL REPARATIONS, and
i specifically put aside the national issue.

During the era of slavery, Greenbelt did not exist, it was unpopulated forest. There were NO residents of Greenbelt affected by slavery, There were
NO residents if Greenbelt at all. I just DID NOT EXIST

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations in
general. But the question is this: How does the community address
and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it. Too bad
the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd encourage you to
participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

What an ignorant thing to say
L'et's apply your own standards to yourself.

You are not black, therefore YOU have no skin in the reparations game
you are not TG, therefore you have no skin in TG issues.
You are not a criminal, therefore you have no skin in the game in
criminal justice discussions.
You are not a drug addict, therefore you have no skin in the games afa addiction issues
You ae not homeless, therefore you have no skin in the game in homelessness discussions

You are a fucking ignorant moron. Your head is buried so far up your ass,
its coming back out of your mouth

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized, not
localized, because of intervening population migration, over time.

Not to worry: no matter how much reparation is paid, the man will still >> be ahead.

What man? Do you mean the proverbial white men in charge of oppressing blacks
all over America?

They're real.

Is America the Land of Opportunity or The Land of Oppression????

Once to every man and nation
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth with falsehood,
For the good or evil side;
Some great cause, God's new Messiah,
Offering each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever
Twixt that darkness and that light.

Yes, or No?
It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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Usenet is like a box of chawklits - you never know whatcha gonna git.

Is America the Land of Opportunity or The Land of Oppression????

Once to every man and nation ...

Yes, or No?
It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

You so stupid, yo mama shoulda drownded you.

Here's a simple answer: Depends on your circumstances, your heritage,
your environment, and your own abilities.

At your advanced age, if you don't realize that we are not all equal from childhood,
you'll never be able to see it.

Here's a concrete example of institutional discrimination.


Public schools would have to display Ten
Commandments under bill passed by Texas Senate
This is the latest attempt from Texas Republicans to inject
religion into public schools. In 2021, state Sen. Bryan Hughes,
a Mineola Republican, authored a bill that became law requiring
schools to display donated “In God We Trust” signs.
[texastribune.org]

How will this affect students who are not christian? Might they be
offended at being coerced into observing a State Religion?

The Constitution has many Amendments, not just the accursed Second.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 5:56 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

I am not talking about national reparations. That is a different
issue.

Localized reparations are unworkable, unjust, and do not compensate
the descendants on aggrieved people.

Especially if attempts to compensate them are prevented by specious
objections.

There IS NO attempt to compensate them. not even to identify them Greenbelt is a liberal bastion. There are no conservatives heir trying to thwart this.

I was referring to your rationalizations.

https://www.greenbeltmuseum.org/post/black-history-month-18-desegregating-greenbelt-interview-now-viewable-1

Right now. Greenbelt had a referendum on reparations, and it
passed. A committee has been formed to study the issue.

By "right now," you mean "November 2021," a year and a half ago.

I said "HAD a referendum" then the committee was formed., and NOW it is working on the issue

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to have gone
into what was take from slaves and their descendants up to the present.

I'm curious.....who should pay? My family heritage in the US post dates slavery by
many decades. I've got no generational wealth to speak of so I've only got what I earned
and that was all post 1980. So how do you absolve me and others like me of liability?

ScottW

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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The Super Sleazy Shmoo pretends to be human. Oh, what a tragedy!

I'm curious.....who should pay?

Everyone who has benefited from White Privilege.

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On 5/23/23 3:25 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:09:54 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently
given much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought
seems to have gone into what was take from slaves and their
descendants up to the present.

WTF? Can't you read???? The subject of my OP was LOCAL REPARATIONS,
and i specifically put aside the national issue.

Sounds like a parsing of the general topic of reparations into national
and local levels, something that requires some thought.

During the era of slavery, Greenbelt did not exist, it was
unpopulated forest. There were NO residents of Greenbelt affected by
slavery, There were NO residents if Greenbelt at all. I just DID
NOT EXIST

When Greenbelt did exist, the formerly enslaved and their
descendants were harmed by exclusion. You come close to the anecdotal definition of chutzpah in which the man who killed his parents calls for
mercy as an orphan.

Now do San Francisco, which you also commented on.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations
in general. But the question is this: How does the community
address and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it.
Too bad the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd
encourage you to participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

What an ignorant thing to say L'et's apply your own standards to
yourself.

I'm not bringing up reparations for or against.

You are not black, therefore YOU have no skin in the reparations game
you are not TG, therefore you have no skin in TG issues.

The Greenbelt? You said you wouldn't join the commission because you no
longer work there. I have made no comparable claim, so your turnabout
doesn't count.

You are not a criminal, therefore you have no skin in the game in
criminal justice discussions. You are not a drug addict, therefore
you have no skin in the games afa addiction issues You ae not
homeless, therefore you have no skin in the game in homelessness
discussions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

You are a fucking ignorant moron. Your head is buried so far up your
ass, its coming back out of your mouth

Typical Fox viewer, your ideas are expressed in rage. Go find an
axe-throwing bar or something and keep your self-respect intact.

whatever is doe with reparations needs to be nationalized,
not localized, because of intervening population migration,
over time.

Not to worry: no matter how much reparation is paid, the man
will still be ahead.

What man? Do you mean the proverbial white men in charge of
oppressing blacks all over America?

They're real.

Is America the Land of Opportunity or The Land of Oppression????

Once to every man and nation Comes the moment to decide, In the
strife of truth with falsehood, For the good or evil side; Some
great cause, God's new Messiah, Offering each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever Twixt that darkness and that
light.

Yes, or No? It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

Porque no los dos.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 4:45:22 PM UTC-4, Fascist Flea wrote:

Here's a simple answer: Depends on your circumstances, your heritage,
your environment, and your own abilities.

I admit that urban black children born into Democratic run cities of failed schools
with a drug addicted baby mama and a gangsta father, have some lengthier bootstraps

Here's a concrete example of institutional discrimination.

Public schools would have to display Ten
Commandments under bill passed by Texas Senate
This is the latest attempt from Texas Republicans to inject
religion into public schools. In 2021, state Sen. Bryan Hughes,
a Mineola Republican, authored a bill that became law requiring
schools to display donated “In God We Trust” signs.
[texastribune.org]

How will this affect students who are not christian? Might they be
offended at being coerced into observing a State Religion?

The typical urban black kid would not be
offended, as he would
not be proficient enough to read the sign


Better that environment than an urban school with not one student at grade level in math and reading.

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On 5/23/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given
much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to
have gone into what was take from slaves and their descendants up
to the present.

I'm curious.....who should pay?

Good question for Art. He's given it a lot of thought lately. SF thinks corporations should.

My family heritage in the US post dates slavery by many decades. I've
got no generational wealth to speak of so I've only got what I
earned and that was all post 1980. So how do you absolve me and
others like me of liability?

Short answer: collectively. Longer answer: aren't you a property
owner? You've benefited financially if you rent houses built on land
formerly controlled by the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be
wary of getting served by the House of Habsburg.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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When Greenbelt did exist, the formerly enslaved and their
descendants were harmed by exclusion. You come close to the anecdotal definition of chutzpah in which the man who killed his parents calls for mercy as an orphan.

NO! blacks were excluded whether their descendants were or were not slaves. GHI didn't know particular slave history and didn't ask.

And only particular blacks were excluded, those that actually applied, and those who
may have wished to apply and didn't. And we can't identify those people and find their
ancestors, the ones with the actual grievance.
Almost all American blacks were not affected by GHI discrimination..
For instance, blacks living in Georgia who never heard of Greenbelt and never had any
intention of moving anywhere in Maryland were unaffected.

And blacks currently living in Greenbelt, their ancestors from the 30's through 60's had
nothing to do with trying to move into Greenbelt. Their migrations came much later, as Greenbelt
(outside of GHI area) grew much later, in the 70's and 80's

Now do San Francisco, which you also commented on.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations
in general. But the question is this: How does the community
address and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss it.
Too bad the deadline for applying passed last August or I'd
encourage you to participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

What an ignorant thing to say L'et's apply your own standards to
yourself.

I'm not bringing up reparations for or against.

You are not black, therefore YOU have no skin in the reparations game
you are not TG, therefore you have no skin in TG issues.

The Greenbelt? You said you wouldn't join the commission because you no longer work there. I have made no comparable claim, so your turnabout doesn't count.

The STANDARD you based that on applies to you
You ate trying to cancel my ability to have a discussion claaiming I
"have no skin" in. While you discuss other issues here that
you gave no skin in

Yes, or No? It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

Porque no los dos.

Porque hablo inglés.

And don't you dare ever again to try to cancel me, or deny my validity to discuss anything

by your such efforts you have proven yourself to be a disgusting worthless leftwing arrogant
asshole. If it were up to me, you would be tarred and feathered, your citizenship revoked, and
deported back to whatever dung heap your ancestors came from.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 5/23/23 9:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

When Greenbelt did exist, the formerly enslaved and their
descendants were harmed by exclusion. You come close to the
anecdotal definition of chutzpah in which the man who killed his
parents calls for mercy as an orphan.

NO! blacks were excluded whether their descendants were or were not
slaves. GHI didn't know particular slave history and didn't ask.

And that's better? How many recent immigrants of African descent were
trying to settle in The Greenbelt? Maybe add that percentage to the calculations on the back of your envelope?

Since the damage was for the exclusion, not for having once been
enslaved (The Greenbelt not existing in slave-holding times as you point
out), how is that different? One group harmed for being black
immigrants, the other for being black native born?

And only particular blacks were excluded, those that actually
applied, and those who may have wished to apply and didn't. And we
can't identify those people and find their ancestors, the ones with
the actual grievance. Almost all American blacks were not affected by
GHI discrimination.. For instance, blacks living in Georgia who never
heard of Greenbelt and never had any intention of moving anywhere in
Maryland were unaffected.

You've given this a lot of thought, in the service of denying
reparations for fear of anyone benefiting.

And blacks currently living in Greenbelt, their ancestors from the
30's through 60's had nothing to do with trying to move into
Greenbelt. Their migrations came much later, as Greenbelt (outside
of GHI area) grew much later, in the 70's and 80's

Does that timing have anything to do with the Civil Rights Act
forbidding redlining? One could make the date of that legislation a
cutoff point, although that would disregard the lack of generational
wealth that wasn't accumulated.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations >>>>>>> in general. But the question is this: How does the
community address and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss
it. Too bad the deadline for applying passed last August or
I'd encourage you to participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

What an ignorant thing to say L'et's apply your own standards to
yourself.

I'm not bringing up reparations for or against.

You are not black, therefore YOU have no skin in the reparations
game you are not TG, therefore you have no skin in TG issues.

The Greenbelt? You said you wouldn't join the commission because
you no longer work there. I have made no comparable claim, so your
turnabout doesn't count.

The STANDARD you based that on applies to you You ate trying to
cancel my ability to have a discussion claaiming I "have no skin" in.
While you discuss other issues here that you gave no skin in

Oooh, I "CANCELED" you! You're still here, saying the same stuff on the
same soapbox. Could it be that what you want is to argue unopposed?

I suppose the irony escapes you that you think blacks shouldn't get The Greenbelt reparations because they don't have skin in the game due to
being excluded.

Yes, or No? It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

Porque no los dos.

Porque hablo inglés.

Know your internet memes.

https://digitalcultures.net/memes/porque-no-los-dos/

And don't you dare ever again to try to cancel me, or deny my
validity to discuss anything

I don't deny your validity. I simply disagree with your reasoning.

by your such efforts you have proven yourself to be a disgusting
worthless leftwing arrogant asshole. If it were up to me, you would
be tarred and feathered, your citizenship revoked, and deported back
to whatever dung heap your ancestors came from.

Yes, violence, the hallmark of the confident.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:36:14 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/23/23 9:33 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

When Greenbelt did exist, the formerly enslaved and their
descendants were harmed by exclusion. You come close to the
anecdotal definition of chutzpah in which the man who killed his
parents calls for mercy as an orphan.

NO! blacks were excluded whether their descendants were or were not slaves. GHI didn't know particular slave history and didn't ask.

And that's better? How many recent immigrants of African descent were
trying to settle in The Greenbelt? Maybe add that percentage to the calculations on the back of your envelope?

Since the damage was for the exclusion, not for having once been
enslaved (The Greenbelt not existing in slave-holding times as you point out), how is that different? One group harmed for being black
immigrants, the other for being black native born?

And only particular blacks were excluded, those that actually
applied, and those who may have wished to apply and didn't. And we
can't identify those people and find their ancestors, the ones with
the actual grievance. Almost all American blacks were not affected by
GHI discrimination.. For instance, blacks living in Georgia who never heard of Greenbelt and never had any intention of moving anywhere in Maryland were unaffected.

You've given this a lot of thought, in the service of denying
reparations for fear of anyone benefiting.

And blacks currently living in Greenbelt, their ancestors from the
30's through 60's had nothing to do with trying to move into
Greenbelt. Their migrations came much later, as Greenbelt (outside
of GHI area) grew much later, in the 70's and 80's

Does that timing have anything to do with the Civil Rights Act
forbidding redlining? One could make the date of that legislation a
cutoff point, although that would disregard the lack of generational
wealth that wasn't accumulated.

https://www.greenbeltmd.gov/government/boards-committees/reparations-commission#:~:text=Reparations%20Commission%201%20About%20In%20the%20last%20election%2C,Membership%20...%205%20Purpose%20...%206%20Liaison%20

I will put aside the underlying moral issue of reparations >>>>>>> in general. But the question is this: How does the
community address and atone for the wrongs of the past?

<snip>

This is unreasonable.

Maybe the 21-person commission you mentioned will discuss
it. Too bad the deadline for applying passed last August or
I'd encourage you to participate.

I don't live in Greenbelt. I stopped working there in 1989.

So, no "skin in the game."

What an ignorant thing to say L'et's apply your own standards to
yourself.

I'm not bringing up reparations for or against.

You are not black, therefore YOU have no skin in the reparations
game you are not TG, therefore you have no skin in TG issues.

The Greenbelt? You said you wouldn't join the commission because
you no longer work there. I have made no comparable claim, so your
turnabout doesn't count.

The STANDARD you based that on applies to you You ate trying to
cancel my ability to have a discussion claaiming I "have no skin" in. While you discuss other issues here that you gave no skin in

Oooh, I "CANCELED" you! You're still here, saying the same stuff on the
same soapbox. Could it be that what you want is to argue unopposed?

I suppose the irony escapes you that you think blacks shouldn't get The Greenbelt reparations because they don't have skin in the game due to
being excluded.

Yes, or No? It's a binary, non fluid, choice.

Porque no los dos.

Porque hablo inglés.

Know your internet memes.

https://digitalcultures.net/memes/porque-no-los-dos/

And don't you dare ever again to try to cancel me, or deny my
validity to discuss anything

I don't deny your validity. I simply disagree with your reasoning.

by your such efforts you have proven yourself to be a disgusting
worthless leftwing arrogant asshole. If it were up to me, you would
be tarred and feathered, your citizenship revoked, and deported back
to whatever dung heap your ancestors came from.

Yes, violence, the hallmark of the confident.

And we still have the Greenbelt reparations situation,
where the ancestors of black people who were discriminated against by GHI
are not compensated, while the black people who are compensated had ancestors who
were not discriminated against by GHI.

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On 5/24/23 11:00 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:36:14 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Yes, violence, the hallmark of the confident.

And we still have the Greenbelt reparations situation, where the
ancestors of black people who were discriminated against by GHI are
not compensated, while the black people who are compensated had
ancestors who were not discriminated against by GHI.

A lot to unpack. Why would you compensate the ancestors? They're long
dead and were in Africa. When did the descendants get compensated? Why
would you compensate for ancestors who didn't suffer because they were
in Africa rather than for the ones that suffered exclusion?

And you said they were each discriminated against equally: "blacks were excluded whether their descendants were or were not slaves."

The proposal is very much in the talking stage, so I'm sure these
problems will be solved before any reparations happen.

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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 1:33:47 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/24/23 11:00 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:36:14 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Yes, violence, the hallmark of the confident.

And we still have the Greenbelt reparations situation, where the
ancestors of black people who were discriminated against by GHI are
not compensated, while the black people who are compensated had
ancestors who were not discriminated against by GHI.

A lot to unpack. Why would you compensate the ancestors? They're long
dead and were in Africa. When did the descendants get compensated? Why
would you compensate for ancestors who didn't suffer because they were
in Africa rather than for the ones that suffered exclusion?

And you said they were each discriminated against equally: "blacks were excluded whether their descendants were or were not slaves."
The proposal is very much in the talking stage, so I'm sure these
problems will be solved before any reparations happen.

meant descendants.


hopeful resolution is a big fat common sense rational resounding NO

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On 5/25/23 10:48 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 1:33:47 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/24/23 11:00 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:36:14 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Yes, violence, the hallmark of the confident.

And we still have the Greenbelt reparations situation, where the
ancestors of black people who were discriminated against by GHI are
not compensated, while the black people who are compensated had
ancestors who were not discriminated against by GHI.

A lot to unpack. Why would you compensate the ancestors? They're long
dead and were in Africa. When did the descendants get compensated? Why
would you compensate for ancestors who didn't suffer because they were
in Africa rather than for the ones that suffered exclusion?

And you said they were each discriminated against equally: "blacks were
excluded whether their descendants were or were not slaves."
The proposal is very much in the talking stage, so I'm sure these
problems will be solved before any reparations happen.

meant descendants.

Yes, I commented assuming that's what you meant. The incoherence
remains: blacks were excluded whether or not they or their ancestors
were enslaved, therefore suffered damage.

hopeful resolution is a big fat common sense rational resounding NO

Let's just agree you're against reparations. Since there's no actual proposition on the table, you may continue to argue both sides with the
usual strawmen and questionable logic as we've come to expect.

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Yes, I commented assuming that's what you meant. The incoherence
remains: blacks were excluded whether or not they or their ancestors
were enslaved, therefore suffered damage.

"Certain" blacks were excluded. The blacks set to get reparations from Greenbelt
have no ancestral connection to those blacks who were excluded.
I also hope you are aware that basing reparation payments on race is
blatantly Unconstitutional. Reparations need to be ased on
some other substantive criteria. In this localized case, ancestral slavery won't
work regarding a community founded in 1936.

hopeful resolution is a big fat common sense rational resounding NO

Let's just agree you're against reparations. Since there's no actual proposition on the table, you may continue to argue both sides with the
usual strawmen and questionable logic as we've come to expect.

Tell me what is so logical in compensating people who have no ancestral connection to those who were aggrieved in the past

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On 5/26/23 2:31 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

Yes, I commented assuming that's what you meant. The incoherence
remains: blacks were excluded whether or not they or their
ancestors were enslaved, therefore suffered damage.

"Certain" blacks were excluded.

No True Blacks excluded. I get it.

The blacks set to get reparations from Greenbelt have no ancestral
connection to those blacks who were excluded.

No blacks are set to get reparations from Greenbelt.

I also hope you are aware that basing reparation payments on race is blatantly
Unconstitutional. Reparations need to be ased on some other
substantive criteria.

There is no race-based reparations program in Greenbelt.

In this localized case, ancestral slavery won't work regarding a community founded in 1936.

Yes, as you point out, damage was also done to people whose ancestors
weren't enslaved.

hopeful resolution is a big fat common sense rational resounding
NO

Let's just agree you're against reparations. Since there's no
actual proposition on the table, you may continue to argue both
sides with the usual strawmen and questionable logic as we've come
to expect.

Tell me what is so logical in compensating people who have no
ancestral connection to those who were aggrieved in the past

Hence the fact that Greenbelt hasn't proposed doing so. The Referendum:

The City Council of Greenbelt should establish a twenty-one (21) member Commission to review, discuss, and make recommendations related to local reparations for African American and Native American residents of Greenbelt.

Seems to restrict reparations to present residents. Presumably the Constitutional question would be part of the discussion of whether
compensation should be offered.

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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:46:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Seems to restrict reparations to present residents.

Exactly!!!! People who's ancestors were NOT discriminated against by GHI

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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/23/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given
much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to
have gone into what was take from slaves and their descendants up
to the present.

I'm curious.....who should pay?

Good question for Art. He's given it a lot of thought lately. SF thinks corporations should.

Which means everyone pays.

I can't wait until this implodes in dems faces.
A promise dangled is a promise broken.

My family heritage in the US post dates slavery by many decades. I've
got no generational wealth to speak of so I've only got what I
earned and that was all post 1980. So how do you absolve me and
others like me of liability?

Short answer: collectively.

It's a collective punishment.

Longer answer: aren't you a property

owner? You've benefited financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be
wary of getting served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control?
Thanks for proving reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

ScottW

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-4, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/23/23 6:14 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/22/23 9:52 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 9:13:24 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

You've mentioned reparations several times and have evidently given
much thought to why they shouldn't be paid. Less thought seems to
have gone into what was take from slaves and their descendants up
to the present.

I'm curious.....who should pay?

Good question for Art. He's given it a lot of thought lately. SF thinks corporations should.

Which means everyone pays.

I can't wait until this implodes in dems faces.
A promise dangled is a promise broken.

My family heritage in the US post dates slavery by many decades. I've got no generational wealth to speak of so I've only got what I
earned and that was all post 1980. So how do you absolve me and
others like me of liability?

Short answer: collectively.

It's a collective punishment.
Longer answer: aren't you a property

owner? You've benefited financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be
wary of getting served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control?
Thanks for proving reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

ScottW

GND isn't destroying America fast enough, so Stevie has to invent something else.

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On 5/27/23 1:33 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:46:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Seems to restrict reparations to present residents.

Exactly!!!! People who's ancestors were NOT discriminated against by GHI

Think that will come up in discussion?

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On 5/27/23 9:20 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

Longer answer: aren't you a propertyowner? You've benefited
financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by
the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be wary of getting
served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control? Thanks for proving
reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

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mINE109 wrote:

Longer answer: aren't you a propertyowner? You've benefited
financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by
the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be wary of getting
served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control? Thanks for proving
reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

The Turd-Shmoo isn't the only MAGA-droid who rejects the entire concept
of White Privilege. I've heard fatuous excuses like "I didn't choose to be born white" and "coloreds can always go back where they came from".

A common thread is their fear of White Guilt. It turns them into jellyfish.

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:16:02 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/27/23 1:33 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:46:10 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

Seems to restrict reparations to present residents.

Exactly!!!! People who's ancestors were NOT discriminated against by GHI

Think that will come up in discussion?

Perhaps

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Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

So have black people.

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-4, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Longer answer: aren't you a propertyowner? You've benefited
financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by
the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be wary of getting
served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control? Thanks for proving reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its strengths.

The Turd-Shmoo isn't the only MAGA-droid who rejects the entire concept
of White Privilege. I've heard fatuous excuses like "I didn't choose to be born
white" and "coloreds can always go back where they came from".

As a realist i subscribe to the existence of multi privileges.
The foremost among them is being born wit US citizenship.

A partial list if priviliges:

US Citizenship
Intact nuclear family
functional father in the home
male privilege
white privilege
Asian privilege
Jewish privilige
being born able and without deformities privilege
high IQ privilige

and the second greatest privilege, big dick privilege

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Sack-Shmoo, the gross-out queen.

and the second greatest privilege, big dick privilege

yuck!

Go to your room and wash your mouth out with soap.

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On 5/27/23 7:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

So have black people.

They started at a disadvantage.

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:30:38 PM UTC-4, Fascist Flea wrote:

Sack-Shmoo, the gross-out queen.

and the second greatest privilege, big dick privilege

yuck!

Go to your room and wash your mouth out with soap.

I suggest you try a blue pill.

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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:48:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/27/23 7:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition >> that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

So have black people.

They started at a disadvantage.

That is substantially true. Not so for kids of successful black people.

Disabled, mentally challenged, poor children, children from broken homes, children of addicted parents, children of incarcerated parents,
abused children, neglected children, and children living in failed public school districts
also start at a disadvantage.

Let's attack the specific problems

Start with school vouchers. Protect the children, not the failed public school system.
Care more about people than about systems.

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On 5/28/23 11:10 AM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 7:48:13 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/27/23 7:50 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition >>>> that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

So have black people.

They started at a disadvantage.

That is substantially true. Not so for kids of successful black people.

No, there's enough disadvantage to go around that even the offspring of
the successful get a share.

Disabled, mentally challenged, poor children, children from broken homes, children of addicted parents, children of incarcerated parents,
abused children, neglected children, and children living in failed public school districts
also start at a disadvantage.

We fail many of them, too.

Let's attack the specific problems

Start with school vouchers. Protect the children, not the failed public school system.
Care more about people than about systems.

Since vouchers will weaken presently functional public schools, I
disagree with your premise. Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite
the enormous gift it would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

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mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

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On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

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On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 1:23:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/27/23 9:20 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

Longer answer: aren't you a propertyowner? You've benefited
financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by
the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be wary of getting
served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control? Thanks for proving
reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its strengths.

Those benefits were and are available to any and all willing to work for them. I did and at times it was not easy. I owe nothing for unearned benefits.

ScottW

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On 5/28/23 2:17 PM, ScottW wrote:

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 1:23:16 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/27/23 9:20 AM, ScottW wrote:

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:14:05 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:

Longer answer: aren't you a propertyowner? You've benefited
financially if you rent houses built on land formerly controlled by
the Emperor Maximilian. If I were you, I'd be wary of getting
served by the House of Habsburg.

When did your crack addiction gain control? Thanks for proving
reparations is nothing but babbling nonsense talk from the left.

Your sense of historical whimsy remains absent as does your recognition
that you have benefited from society with its flaws as well as its
strengths.

Those benefits were and are available to any and all willing to work for them.
I did and at times it was not easy. I owe nothing for unearned benefits.

Did you ever live in a sundown city? An urban area with a history of
redlining? Were your mortgage rates fair? How did you "earn" those benefits?

https://www.shsoutherner.net/features/2017/12/04/reading-between-the-redlines-minneapolis-hidden-history-of-denied-housing/

https://www.kpbs.org/news/midday-edition/2018/04/05/redlinings-mark-on-san-diego-persists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sundown_towns_in_Illinois

Congrats on earning a degree at a time when they were affordable.

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On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's "eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

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The sickness takes hold of Shmoo-Sack.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

You have an acute case of BDS. Get help.

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On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>>>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

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On 5/28/23 1:39 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Here's a good recap:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-ken-paxton-went-from-teflon-ken-to-the-brink-of-being-impeached-by-his-own-party

My favorites are the fake special prosecutor and the 'investigate the investigators' tactic.

"Specifically, Paxton wanted the officials to investigate a claim by
Paul that the feds had forged a search warrant after a real one had been
signed off on by a federal magistrate, thereby unlawfully gaining access.

As Attorney General officials denied that claim, Paul leaked the fact of Paxton’s investigation into his obviously false claims to the media — a winning strategy if there ever was one, but an approach which pales in comparison to what may have been the denouement of Paxton’s attempt to
use his office to help his buddy out."

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On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled >> his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

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On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:26:52 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:39 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Here's a good recap:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-ken-paxton-went-from-teflon-ken-to-the-brink-of-being-impeached-by-his-own-party

My favorites are the fake special prosecutor and the 'investigate the investigators' tactic.

"Specifically, Paxton wanted the officials to investigate a claim by
Paul that the feds had forged a search warrant after a real one had been signed off on by a federal magistrate, thereby unlawfully gaining access.

As Attorney General officials denied that claim, Paul leaked the fact of Paxton’s investigation into his obviously false claims to the media — a winning strategy if there ever was one, but an approach which pales in comparison to what may have been the denouement of Paxton’s attempt to
use his office to help his buddy out."

My favorite is the FBI tamping down the Biden investigations.
I am sure you agree with me and don't support that skullduggery,

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On 5/29/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>>>>>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's >>>> his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled >>>> his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

You brought it up in a discussion of Texas politics.

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On 5/29/23 1:37 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:26:52 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:39 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it
would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies. >>>>>

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's
"eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Here's a good recap:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-ken-paxton-went-from-teflon-ken-to-the-brink-of-being-impeached-by-his-own-party

My favorites are the fake special prosecutor and the 'investigate the
investigators' tactic.

"Specifically, Paxton wanted the officials to investigate a claim by
Paul that the feds had forged a search warrant after a real one had been
signed off on by a federal magistrate, thereby unlawfully gaining access.

As Attorney General officials denied that claim, Paul leaked the fact of
Paxton’s investigation into his obviously false claims to the media — a >> winning strategy if there ever was one, but an approach which pales in
comparison to what may have been the denouement of Paxton’s attempt to
use his office to help his buddy out."

My favorite is the FBI tamping down the Biden investigations.

You'll find the complete list of impeachment articles against Paxton
doesn't mention Biden at all.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/25/ken-paxton-20-articles-impeachment/

I am sure you agree with me and don't support that skullduggery,

Comer demanding the FBI comment on allegations while publicizing the accusations are very much akin to the 'investigate the investigators'
tactic I mention above.

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On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:50:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it >>>>>> would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's >>>>> "eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the >>>> state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's >>>> his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled >>>> his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

You brought it up in a discussion of Texas politics.

a non answer to my question

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On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 1:37 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:26:52 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:39 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it >>>>> would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's >>>> "eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the
state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's >>> his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled >>> his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Here's a good recap:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-ken-paxton-went-from-teflon-ken-to-the-brink-of-being-impeached-by-his-own-party

My favorites are the fake special prosecutor and the 'investigate the
investigators' tactic.

"Specifically, Paxton wanted the officials to investigate a claim by
Paul that the feds had forged a search warrant after a real one had been >> signed off on by a federal magistrate, thereby unlawfully gaining access. >>
As Attorney General officials denied that claim, Paul leaked the fact of >> Paxton’s investigation into his obviously false claims to the media — a
winning strategy if there ever was one, but an approach which pales in
comparison to what may have been the denouement of Paxton’s attempt to >> use his office to help his buddy out."

My favorite is the FBI tamping down the Biden investigations.

You'll find the complete list of impeachment articles against Paxton
doesn't mention Biden at all.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/25/ken-paxton-20-articles-impeachment/

I am sure you agree with me and don't support that skullduggery,

Comer demanding the FBI comment on allegations while publicizing the accusations are very much akin to the 'investigate the investigators'
tactic I mention above.

So, you believe that investigators can disobey the law, corrupt an investigation, and be immune from scrutiny.

How vapid are your politics.

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On 5/29/23 7:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:50:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it >>>>>>>> would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They
finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's >>>>>>> "eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the >>>>>> state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's >>>>>> his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled >>>>>> his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

You brought it up in a discussion of Texas politics.

a non answer to my question

A direct answer to your question

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On 5/29/23 7:04 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 1:37 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 10:26:52 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:39 PM, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-ken-paxton-went-from-teflon-ken-to-the-brink-of-being-impeached-by-his-own-party

As Attorney General officials denied that claim, Paul leaked the fact of >>>> Paxton’s investigation into his obviously false claims to the media — a
winning strategy if there ever was one, but an approach which pales in >>>> comparison to what may have been the denouement of Paxton’s attempt to >>>> use his office to help his buddy out."

My favorite is the FBI tamping down the Biden investigations.

You'll find the complete list of impeachment articles against Paxton
doesn't mention Biden at all.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/25/ken-paxton-20-articles-impeachment/ >>> I am sure you agree with me and don't support that skullduggery,
Comer demanding the FBI comment on allegations while publicizing the
accusations are very much akin to the 'investigate the investigators'
tactic I mention above.

So, you believe that investigators can disobey the law, corrupt an investigation, and be immune from scrutiny.

It's Paxton who is disobeying the law here. Comer is just being a
partisan whose cherry-picking and vanishing whistleblowers are
dishonest, not illegal.

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On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 10:53:33 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 7:02 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 4:50:14 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/29/23 1:35 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 8:01:43 AM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 10:53 PM, Art Sackman wrote:

On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-4, mINE109 wrote:

On 5/28/23 1:25 PM, Fascist Flea wrote:

mINE109 wrote:

Even Texas couldn't get behind them, despite the enormous gift it >>>>>>>> would be for home schoolers, religious schools and for-profit academies.

Speaking of Texas, what happened in their House of Reps? They >>>>>>> finally got fed up with Paxton. I thought they had adapted Reagan's >>>>>>> "eleventh commandment" to include indictments.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the >>>>>> state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

You brought it up in a discussion of Texas politics.

a non answer to my question

A direct answer to your question

Just an additional deflection,

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Sack o' Shmoo squints into the darkness.

Paxton attacked Republicans who investigated him after he asked the >>>>>> state to cover his $3.3 million whistleblower settlement. Then there's
his relationship with local real estate figure Nate Paul, who remodeled
his home for free and arranged a job for Paxton's girlfriend.

Hunter Biden Joe Biden the whole Biden family

Don't hold office in Texas. What about that?

What does that have to do with anything?

You brought it up in a discussion of Texas politics.

a non answer to my question

A direct answer to your question

Just an additional deflection,

If your doctor is worth his salt, he should be talking to you about this:

FDA-approved drugs for Alzheimer's
The FDA has approved medications that fall into two categories:
drugs that change disease progression in people living with early
Alzheimer's disease, and drugs that may temporarily mitigate
some symptoms of Alzheimer's dementia.

https://tinyurl.com/4t6vvfw4

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