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    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 20:49:32 2023
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest covid mortality rate....
    but they have the lowest overall excess mortality rate.

    https://twitter.com/ID_Denmark/status/1633209078678962176

    Infectious Diseases Scandinavia
    @ID_Denmark
    I (and most other Danish MDs) thought Sweden was crazy in spring of 2020. I am no longer so sure.

    For reasons I cannot explain, Sweden has much higher Covid mortality then Denmark and Norway but their overall mortality is relatively less.
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    Johan Anderberg
    @johananderberg
    ·
    Mar 7
    It's worth noting that the latest numbers, that show Sweden with the lowest excess mortality rate in Europe, are pretty much in line with earlier studies from Eurostat, WHO, ONS etc.

    You'll have to look at the tweet to see the chart.

    So it looks like the deaths from lockdowns more than made up for the lives saved from covid. Not exactly what Stephen kept promising us.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 10:23:24 2023
    On 3/10/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest covid
    mortality rate.... but they have the lowest overall excess mortality
    rate.

    Not according to the Swedes.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20230310/fact-check-did-sweden-have-lower-pandemic-mortality-than-denmark-and-norway/

    Sweden’s per capita death rate from Covid-19 over the period covered by
    the SvD/SCB figures, at 2,249 per million people, is more than double Norway’s 959 per million, 60 percent more than the 1,409 per million who
    died in Denmark, and more than 50 percent more than the 1,612 per
    million who died in Finland.

    While Sweden’s death rate is still far ahead of those of its Nordic neighbours, it is now much closer to theirs than it was at the end of 2020.

    “The most striking difference between Sweden and the other Nordic
    countries is that only Sweden had large excess mortality in 2020 and the
    winter of 2020-21,” Aavitsland explained. “In 2022, the field levelled
    out as the other countries also had excess mortality when most of the population was infected by the omicron variant after all measures had
    been lifted.”

    So it looks like the deaths from lockdowns more than made up for the
    lives saved from covid. Not exactly what Stephen kept promising
    us.

    So why, if the Covid-19 death rates are still so different, are the
    excess mortality rates so similar?

    This largely reflects the fact that many of those who died in Sweden in
    the first year of the pandemic were elderly people in care homes who
    would have died anyway by the end of 2022.

    About 90 percent of Covid-19 deaths were in people above 70, Aavitsland
    pointed out, adding that this is the same age group where you find
    around 80 percent of all deaths, regardless of cause, in a Scandinavian country...

    So does that mean Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell was right
    all along?

    It depends on how you view the shortened lives of the close to ten
    thousand elderly people who caught Covid-19 and died in Sweden in the
    first wave because Sweden did not follow the example of Denmark, Norway,
    and Finland and bring in a short three-week lockdown in March and April
    2020.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 09:02:00 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:23:27 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest covid
    mortality rate.... but they have the lowest overall excess mortality
    rate.
    Not according to the Swedes.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20230310/fact-check-did-sweden-have-lower-pandemic-mortality-than-denmark-and-norway/

    and Stephen proves again....he can't really read.

    No wonder he doesn't like links.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Mar 11 14:50:19 2023
    On 3/11/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:23:27 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest covid
    mortality rate.... but they have the lowest overall excess mortality
    rate.
    Not according to the Swedes.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20230310/fact-check-did-sweden-have-lower-pandemic-mortality-than-denmark-and-norway/

    and Stephen proves again....he can't really read.

    No wonder he doesn't like links.

    Can't read it if it's snipped, right? Your case is that because the
    rates equalized after the neighboring countries adopted similar
    responses the excess deaths that happened when they were different don't
    count.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 13 21:29:09 2023
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/11/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:23:27 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest covid
    mortality rate.... but they have the lowest overall excess mortality
    rate.
    Not according to the Swedes.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20230310/fact-check-did-sweden-have-lower-pandemic-mortality-than-denmark-and-norway/

    and Stephen proves again....he can't really read.

    No wonder he doesn't like links.
    Can't read it if it's snipped, right?

    Can't read it if it's paywalled.

    Your case is that because the
    rates equalized after the neighboring countries adopted similar
    responses the excess deaths that happened when they were different don't count.

    Much of that "excess deaths" were more a matter of when they got hit
    vs. anything else. Look at NY vs the rest of the country.
    They got hit early when treatments were ineffective and foolishly exposed their elderly.
    Sweden likewise got hit early...but doesn't have the lingering problems left by lockdowns
    and is now benefitting.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Mar 14 10:07:08 2023
    On 3/13/23 11:29 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/11/23 11:02 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:23:27 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 10:49 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Sweden of the no lockdown policy might not have the lowest
    covid mortality rate.... but they have the lowest overall
    excess mortality rate.
    Not according to the Swedes.

    https://www.thelocal.se/20230310/fact-check-did-sweden-have-lower-pandemic-mortality-than-denmark-and-norway/

    and Stephen proves again....he can't really read.


    No wonder he doesn't like links.
    Can't read it if it's snipped, right?

    Can't read it if it's paywalled.

    That's why I quoted, which you then snipped. Of course, I found it
    without a paywall.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34609261/

    Conclusions: All-cause mortality in 2020 decreased in Norway and
    increased in Sweden compared with previous years. The observed excess
    deaths in Sweden during the pandemic may, in part, be explained by
    mortality displacement due to the low all-cause mortality in the
    previous year.

    Your case is that because the rates equalized after the neighboring
    countries adopted similar responses the excess deaths that happened
    when they were different don't count.

    Much of that "excess deaths" were more a matter of when they got hit
    vs. anything else.

    Yes, before and after neighboring countries adopted stricter measures
    than Sweden.

    Look at NY vs the rest of the country.

    You were talking about Sweden.

    They got hit early when treatments were ineffective and foolishly exposed their elderly.

    Thank you, Cuomo, and his nursing home cronies. The hospitals were in
    danger of being overrun as it was so less strict measures might have had
    severe consequences.

    Sweden likewise got hit early...but doesn't have the lingering
    problems left by lockdowns and is now benefitting.

    At the cost of the excessive deaths suffered before responses were more similar.

    And Norway and Denmark don't have "lingering problems left by lockdowns."

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