• DoJ morons exposed

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 10:46:31 2023
    Somebody thought hiding rows and columns was good enough to secure classified intel.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/key-proud-boys-trial-skids-to-halt-after-accidental-leak-of-classified-info-to-defense/ar-AA18q9Y5

    The real question is....the defense seemed to find the info of value as they began pursuing it in cross-examination. So what was it?

    Doesn't the defense have a right to all evidence?

    Would DoJ and FBI classify evidence damaging to their case?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 10 18:50:20 2023
    On 3/10/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Somebody thought hiding rows and columns was good enough to secure classified intel.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/key-proud-boys-trial-skids-to-halt-after-accidental-leak-of-classified-info-to-defense/ar-AA18q9Y5

    The real question is....the defense seemed to find the info of value as they began pursuing it in cross-examination. So what was it?

    Doesn't the defense have a right to all evidence?

    Would DoJ and FBI classify evidence damaging to their case?

    This might be easier to follow.

    https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1633841816687755267

    The messages were between Miller and another agent identified as T. Wang
    in the docs. Smith contends that when he began reviewing the
    spreadsheet, he uncovered hidden rows containing msgs between the agents
    and that those msgs suggest there's been a violation of atty-client priv[ilege.]

    The Proud Boys' attorney submitted this:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23699514/smith-motion-to-impeach-hidden-communications.pdf

    [Miller] testified that in order to comply with her Jencks obligations
    she compiled her Lync messages in an Excel spreadsheet which was then
    produced to the USAO.
    The version of Miller’s Excel sheet produced to the defense contained 25
    rows of her Lync messages. In cross-examination the agent acknowledged
    she alone compiled that disclosure. She testified that those messages constituted a complete production of her Jencks statements from Lync.
    However, a close examination of the agent’s sheet revealed over one
    thousand hidden Excel rows of messages. Miller was thus examined as to
    whether she had withheld from prosecutors Lync messages concerning whether:
    (1) a conspiracy charge was factually supported in the Proud Boys case;
    (2) Telegram user Aaron of the Bloody East was involved in “planning chats,” and
    (3) inaccurate FBI informant-related information should be disclosed to
    the defense. Miller answered in the negative.

    Miller was also cross-examined as to whether the agent had gained access
    to the content of attorney-client communications involving defense trial strategy in this matter. Again the witness answered in the negative.
    However, the agent’s hidden Lync messages contain statements concerning:
    - Whether agents could make out a valid “conspiracy and not make a fool
    of ourselves”...

    From the hidden rows in Miller’s Lync spreadsheet it is apparent that
    the defense has not received all of her Jencks statements in these
    relevant communications. That is because the individuals with whom
    Miller exchanges messages can be seen responding to the agent—but her
    own statements are missing.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 10 17:03:13 2023
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:50:23 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Somebody thought hiding rows and columns was good enough to secure classified intel.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/key-proud-boys-trial-skids-to-halt-after-accidental-leak-of-classified-info-to-defense/ar-AA18q9Y5

    The real question is....the defense seemed to find the info of value as they began pursuing it in cross-examination. So what was it?

    Doesn't the defense have a right to all evidence?

    Would DoJ and FBI classify evidence damaging to their case?
    This might be easier to follow.

    https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1633841816687755267

    The messages were between Miller and another agent identified as T. Wang
    in the docs. Smith contends that when he began reviewing the
    spreadsheet, he uncovered hidden rows containing msgs between the agents
    and that those msgs suggest there's been a violation of atty-client priv[ilege.]

    The Proud Boys' attorney submitted this:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23699514/smith-motion-to-impeach-hidden-communications.pdf

    [Miller] testified that in order to comply with her Jencks obligations
    she compiled her Lync messages in an Excel spreadsheet which was then produced to the USAO.
    The version of Miller’s Excel sheet produced to the defense contained 25 rows of her Lync messages. In cross-examination the agent acknowledged
    she alone compiled that disclosure. She testified that those messages constituted a complete production of her Jencks statements from Lync. However, a close examination of the agent’s sheet revealed over one thousand hidden Excel rows of messages. Miller was thus examined as to whether she had withheld from prosecutors Lync messages concerning whether: (1) a conspiracy charge was factually supported in the Proud Boys case;
    (2) Telegram user Aaron of the Bloody East was involved in “planning chats,” and
    (3) inaccurate FBI informant-related information should be disclosed to
    the defense. Miller answered in the negative.

    Miller was also cross-examined as to whether the agent had gained access
    to the content of attorney-client communications involving defense trial strategy in this matter. Again the witness answered in the negative. However, the agent’s hidden Lync messages contain statements concerning:
    - Whether agents could make out a valid “conspiracy and not make a fool
    of ourselves”...

    From the hidden rows in Miller’s Lync spreadsheet it is apparent that
    the defense has not received all of her Jencks statements in these
    relevant communications. That is because the individuals with whom
    Miller exchanges messages can be seen responding to the agent—but her
    own statements are missing.

    End quote.

    So it's yes to all of the above.
    Incompetent morons who can't even use Excel.
    Willing to lie under oath during cross examination.
    And classify crap like "Whether agents could make out a valid “conspiracy and not make a fool
    of ourselves”... speaks for itself.

    How do you keep condoning this egregious abuse of power by the DoJ?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Fri Mar 10 19:15:16 2023
    On 3/10/23 7:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:50:23 PM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 3/10/23 12:46 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Somebody thought hiding rows and columns was good enough to secure classified intel.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/key-proud-boys-trial-skids-to-halt-after-accidental-leak-of-classified-info-to-defense/ar-AA18q9Y5

    The real question is....the defense seemed to find the info of value as they began pursuing it in cross-examination. So what was it?

    Doesn't the defense have a right to all evidence?

    Would DoJ and FBI classify evidence damaging to their case?
    This might be easier to follow.

    https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1633841816687755267

    The messages were between Miller and another agent identified as T. Wang
    in the docs. Smith contends that when he began reviewing the
    spreadsheet, he uncovered hidden rows containing msgs between the agents
    and that those msgs suggest there's been a violation of atty-client
    priv[ilege.]

    The Proud Boys' attorney submitted this:

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23699514/smith-motion-to-impeach-hidden-communications.pdf

    End quote.

    So it's yes to all of the above.

    According to the defense.

    Incompetent morons who can't even use Excel.
    Willing to lie under oath during cross examination.
    And classify crap like "Whether agents could make out a valid “conspiracy and not make a fool
    of ourselves”... speaks for itself.

    No, that's a good question for which an agent should have a good answer.

    How do you keep condoning this egregious abuse of power by the DoJ?

    I'm not, but it isn't. This is a mistake. The defense isn't entitled to
    the prosecution's internal communications, especially when it involves classified material. The Jencks requirement still apply, of course.

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