that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.government," this entirely foreign fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time."
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant every single solitary thing in the
ScottW\\
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:21:34 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:government," this entirely foreign fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time."
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant every single solitary thing in the
ScottW\\
Unfortunately, not. It will pass by the wayside
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:22:07 PM UTC-8, Art Sackman wrote:government," this entirely foreign fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time."
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:21:34 PM UTC-5, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant every single solitary thing in the
ScottW\\
Unfortunately, not. It will pass by the waysideNope, it will be repeated in a debate and Joe will be left speechless.
ScottW
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995.
"I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant
every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried
it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a
fourth time."
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans.
"I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried
it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time."
After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS, Medicare, etc.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995.
"I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant
every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign
fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried
it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a
fourth time."
After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS,
Medicare, etc.
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social >>> Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995.
"I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant >>> every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign >>> fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried
it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a
fourth time."
After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS,
Medicare, etc.
What was that? Let it go insolvent?Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to
stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans. >>>> After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS,
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social >>>>> Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995.
"I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant >>>>> every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign >>>>> fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried >>>>> it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a >>>>> fourth time."
Medicare, etc.
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to
stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to
avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic.
Republicans want cuts in other areas so SS can remain solvent but Biden
is screaming no negotiation. Which just ignores the impending doom
and makes solution ever more difficult with each passing year.
On 2/21/23 9:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans. >>>> After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS, >>>> Medicare, etc.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social >>>>> Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. >>>>> "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant >>>>> every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign >>>>> fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried >>>>> it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a >>>>> fourth time."
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to >> stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to >> avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic.
Republicans want cuts in other areas so SS can remain solvent but BidenCuts in other areas is also bad. The only negotiation should be where revenue should come from. Maybe from those making over $400k?
is screaming no negotiation. Which just ignores the impending doom
and makes solution ever more difficult with each passing year.
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:58:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/21/23 9:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Cuts in other areas is also bad. The only negotiation should be where
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:Republicans want cuts in other areas so SS can remain solvent but Biden
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the
On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans. >>>>>> After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS, >>>>>> Medicare, etc.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social >>>>>>> Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. >>>>>>> "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant >>>>>>> every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign >>>>>>> fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried >>>>>>> it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a >>>>>>> fourth time."
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to >>>> stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to >>>> avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic. >>>
is screaming no negotiation. Which just ignores the impending doom
and makes solution ever more difficult with each passing year.
revenue should come from. Maybe from those making over $400k?
and now you just went where Joe says you can't go and slanders anyone
who tries. Welcome to the dark side.
On 2/22/23 11:07 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:58:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/21/23 9:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Cuts in other areas is also bad. The only negotiation should be where
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the >>>> problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to >>>> stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. >>>>>>> "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant
every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign
fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried >>>>>>> it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a >>>>>>> fourth time."
After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS, >>>>>> Medicare, etc.
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic.
Republicans want cuts in other areas so SS can remain solvent but Biden >>> is screaming no negotiation. Which just ignores the impending doom
and makes solution ever more difficult with each passing year.
revenue should come from. Maybe from those making over $400k?
and now you just went where Joe says you can't go and slanders anyoneThe Republicans are welcome to make a proposal. So far, they haven't
who tries. Welcome to the dark side.
offered anything to negotiate on.
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:08:40 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal. So far, they
haven't offered anything to negotiate on.
Bifurcate the fund. Half as it is for everyone, the other half to
allow for private investment options, on a voluntary basis. If you
like your current plan, you get to keep your current plan.100% of it
If you want to try and do better, you can go 50/50 and opt for
opportunity for 50% of your plan
On 2/22/23 11:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:08:40 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal. So far, they
haven't offered anything to negotiate on.
Bifurcate the fund. Half as it is for everyone, the other half toYes, that's a proposal. What happens when the next recession hits and we have to bail out the 50% playing the market?
allow for private investment options, on a voluntary basis. If you
like your current plan, you get to keep your current plan.100% of it
If you want to try and do better, you can go 50/50 and opt for
opportunity for 50% of your plan
And the business interests who see the SS fund as an untapped source of management and investment fees won't settle for half.
On 2/22/23 11:07 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 6:58:03 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/21/23 9:36 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:Cuts in other areas is also bad. The only negotiation should be where
On 2/21/23 11:19 AM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:05:38 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/20/23 9:21 PM, ScottW wrote:Don't let Republicans frame the deal. And "insolvent" overstates the >>>> problem. Without change, SS will have to lower benefits by 20% or so to >>>> stay on track. Changes should be made to avoid this but making a deal to
that will put to rest his 2024 campaign.Then Obama offered his Grand Bargain which was refused by Republicans.
"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social
Security as well," Biden hollered at his Senate colleagues in 1995. >>>>>>> "I meant Medicare and Medicaid, I meant veterans’ benefits, I meant
every single solitary thing in the government," this entirely foreign
fiscally conscious version of Biden continued. "And I not only tried >>>>>>> it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a >>>>>>> fourth time."
After all that, Biden learned his lesson about negotiating over SS, >>>>>> Medicare, etc.
What was that? Let it go insolvent?
avoid lowering benefits by agreeing to lower benefits seems problematic.
Republicans want cuts in other areas so SS can remain solvent but Biden >>> is screaming no negotiation. Which just ignores the impending doom
and makes solution ever more difficult with each passing year.
revenue should come from. Maybe from those making over $400k?
and now you just went where Joe says you can't go and slanders anyoneThe Republicans are welcome to make a proposal.
who tries. Welcome to the dark side.
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:39:36 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/22/23 11:11 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:08:40 PM UTC-5, mINE109Yes, that's a proposal. What happens when the next recession hits
wrote:
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal. So far, they
haven't offered anything to negotiate on.
Bifurcate the fund. Half as it is for everyone, the other half
to allow for private investment options, on a voluntary basis. If
you like your current plan, you get to keep your current
plan.100% of it If you want to try and do better, you can go
50/50 and opt for opportunity for 50% of your plan
and we have to bail out the 50% playing the market?
And the business interests who see the SS fund as an untapped
source of management and investment fees won't settle for half.
"The year-over-year growth rate for private investments (6.38%
average real returns on investments in the S&P 500 between 1984-2014)
was much higher than the return gained by retired workers in the
current Social Security program (between 2.67% and 3.91% return on
the contributions made by a medium income, two-earner couple as of
Dec. 2014)." from Britannica ProCon
Its a long term investment accumulated over 25 or more years. The
accumulated increase in investment value will be greater than a
temporary recessionary dip.
Right now business interests are settling for zero and the
government can control which firms will admiinster that part of the
program. here is my view: options can be held to about twelve
different investment funds of varying focus. Tha participant can be
limited in putting more thna 20% of the private portion to any one
fund. Investment diversification will be required,
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal.
Exactly how does demands for "no negotiation"
welcome a proposal?
On 2/23/23 7:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal.
Exactly how does demands for "no negotiation"They have the House. Propose away!
welcome a proposal?
On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 7:28:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
On 2/23/23 7:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:08:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:They have the House. Propose away!
The Republicans are welcome to make a proposal.
Exactly how does demands for "no negotiation"
welcome a proposal?
I expect they will....and dems will scream...."No negotiation".
And the situation will only get ever more dire.
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