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  • What's wrong with DC city council?

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 10 18:01:07 2023
    In November 2022, the D.C. Council approved the Revised Criminal Code Act (RCCA). The RCCA reduces penalties for certain violent criminal offenses, including carjackings, robberies, and homicides. Democratic Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser vetoed
    the bill on Jan. 4. The council then overrode Bowser’s veto on Jan. 17 by a vote of 12-1.

    Craig (a recent assault victim) and 31 Democrats in Congress joined Republicans to block the RCCA on Thursday. (RELATED: Democratic Rep Assaulted In Her Washington DC Apartment).

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 11 09:21:38 2023
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?

    The change of penalties brings the code in line whith what judges are
    actually sentencing.

    https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/washington-dc/us-house-votes-to-overturn-dcs-revised-criminal-code/

    The updated policy would among other things reduce penalties for things
    like carjackings and burglaries.

    “(They) are still subject to very, very significant penalties on courses
    and instead again, significantly longer than even the longest sentences
    that are currently being imposed,” said Jinwoo Park, executive director
    of the Criminal Code Reform Commission...

    “The RCCA actually increases penalties in a number of significant ways
    for things like attempted murder, attempted sexual assault, for certain
    kinds of non-consensual sexual activities, for possession of certain
    dangerous weapons,” Park said.

    Revised DC Criminal Code Act now under Congressional review
    The revised criminal code was passed by D.C. Council in November. The
    mayor vetoed the bill earlier this year, but the council voted to
    override that veto 12 to one.

    “This has been the product of more than a decade of really, really
    intense work in direct consultation with both public defenders and prosecutors,” Park said.

    End quote.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 11 18:19:59 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:21:40 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?
    The change of penalties brings the code in line whith what judges are actually sentencing.

    While the murder rate soars.

    ScottW

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 13:05:13 2023
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:21:40 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?
    The change of penalties brings the code in line whith what judges are actually sentencing.


    The judges should follow the law.
    The law shouldn't adapt to the judges.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Feb 12 15:17:33 2023
    On 2/12/23 3:05 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:21:40 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?
    The change of penalties brings the code in line [to] what judges are
    actually sentencing.


    The judges should follow the law.
    The law shouldn't adapt to the judges.

    Laws should change with the times. Every year there are cute news
    stories about how you can't hunt buffalo from hotel windows or the like.
    This is more serious but the change represents a decade of study and
    discussion so it's a not sop to judges on a whim.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 12 21:43:10 2023
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:17:35 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/12/23 3:05 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:21:40 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?
    The change of penalties brings the code in line [to] what judges are
    actually sentencing.


    The judges should follow the law.
    The law shouldn't adapt to the judges.
    Laws should change with the times. Every year there are cute news
    stories about how you can't hunt buffalo from hotel windows or the like.
    This is more serious but the change represents a decade of study and discussion so it's a not sop to judges on a whim.

    Yes indeedy, murder assaults, robberies and thefts are so passe nowadays.

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  • From Fascist Flea@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 07:59:20 2023
    mINE109 wrote:

    "[M]ost members of the D.C. City Council voted against increasing
    penalties for gun violence offenses. City council members argued there
    is not enough evidence to support a link between raising penalties for gun-related crimes and lowering violence."

    Shmoos don't give a crap about links. What they crave is an excuse -
    any excuse - to inflict harsh punishment on The Others.

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Mon Feb 13 09:38:05 2023
    On 2/12/23 11:43 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:17:35 PM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/12/23 3:05 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 10:21:40 AM UTC-5, mINE109 wrote:
    On 2/10/23 8:01 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Who really wants reduced penalties for homicide?
    The change of penalties brings the code in line [to] what judges are
    actually sentencing.


    The judges should follow the law.
    The law shouldn't adapt to the judges.
    Laws should change with the times. Every year there are cute news
    stories about how you can't hunt buffalo from hotel windows or the like.
    This is more serious but the change represents a decade of study and
    discussion so it's a not sop to judges on a whim.

    Yes indeedy, murder assaults, robberies and thefts are so passe nowadays.

    Some of those penalties were made longer.

    And there's this:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/dc-moves-lower-jail-sentences-and-reduce-punishments-rising-crime

    "[M]ost members of the D.C. City Council voted against increasing
    penalties for gun violence offenses. City council members argued there
    is not enough evidence to support a link between raising penalties for gun-related crimes and lowering violence."

    A recent discussion:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/house-republicans-take-steps-to-block-new-criminal-code-in-washington-d-c

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to Fascist Flea on Mon Feb 13 18:56:49 2023
    On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-5, Fascist Flea wrote:
    mINE109 wrote:

    "[M]ost members of the D.C. City Council voted against increasing
    penalties for gun violence offenses. City council members argued there
    is not enough evidence to support a link between raising penalties for gun-related crimes and lowering violence."

    Shmoos don't give a crap about links. What they crave is an excuse -
    any excuse - to inflict harsh punishment on The Others.


    Bend over.

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