• Maxine's daughter gets a raise

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 1 19:24:08 2023
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.

    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 2 09:37:38 2023
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.

    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."

    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.

    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 2 09:35:25 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with
    what's best for Cal. voters.


    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."

    Except her mailer is not really her campaign.
    What do other candidates in other offices and districts have to do with her campaign?

    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/

    Whataboutism? Really. I thought you were better than that...at least you said you were.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Feb 2 13:33:36 2023
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting
    payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with
    what's best for Cal. voters.

    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political
    advertising. Hard to think there'd be any if that were the case.

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."

    Except her mailer is not really her campaign.
    What do other candidates in other offices and districts have to do with her campaign?

    I have no problem with a future reform of slate mailing.

    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/

    Whataboutism? Really. I thought you were better than that...at least you said you were.

    None of the above.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to That on Thu Feb 2 19:02:21 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting
    payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with what's best for Cal. voters.
    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political advertising.

    Hmmm, you think political campaigns aren't about making a case for
    what's best for their constituents. That says a lot.....about you.

    Hard to think there'd be any if that were the case.
    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."

    Except her mailer is not really her campaign.
    What do other candidates in other offices and districts have to do with her campaign?
    I have no problem with a future reform of slate mailing.

    Hard to get reform of a practice you won't condemn.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 4 09:06:27 2023
    On 2/2/23 9:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with
    what's best for Cal. voters.
    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political
    advertising.

    Hmmm, you think political campaigns aren't about making a case for
    what's best for their constituents. That says a lot.....about you.

    No, they're for electing the candidate, something so blindingly obvious
    you can only have it missed purposefully.

    Hard to think there'd be any if that were the case.
    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."

    Except her mailer is not really her campaign.
    What do other candidates in other offices and districts have to do with her campaign?
    I have no problem with a future reform of slate mailing.

    Hard to get reform of a practice you won't condemn.

    No, it's about the same difficulty considering I don't live in California.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 10:06:29 2023
    On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 9:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with
    what's best for Cal. voters.
    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political
    advertising.

    Hmmm, you think political campaigns aren't about making a case for
    what's best for their constituents. That says a lot.....about you.
    No, they're for electing the candidate, something so blindingly obvious
    you can only have it missed purposefully.

    Wow....that's about as negative a take on democracy as any I've ever heard.
    Explains why you apparently lean toward socialism and communism.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 4 14:34:31 2023
    On 2/4/23 12:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 9:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state... >>>>>
    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with >>>>> what's best for Cal. voters.
    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political
    advertising.

    Hmmm, you think political campaigns aren't about making a case for
    what's best for their constituents. That says a lot.....about you.
    No, they're for electing the candidate, something so blindingly obvious
    you can only have it missed purposefully.

    Wow....that's about as negative a take on democracy as any I've ever heard.

    That campaigns exist to elect their candidate? If that offends your sensibilities, maybe you should take up a gentler hobby than politics.

    Explains why you apparently lean toward socialism and communism.

    Democratic socialism, that is. Communists don't campaign when in power
    and don't need to, as the winning margins for Castro, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-Un show.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 16:15:54 2023
    On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:34:33 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/4/23 12:06 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 7:06:29 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 9:02 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:33:39 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/2/23 11:35 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:37:40 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote: >>>>>> On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting
    payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state... >>>>>
    She extorts money to put people on her mailer. Has nothing to do with >>>>> what's best for Cal. voters.
    I didn't know there was a "what's best" requirement for political
    advertising.

    Hmmm, you think political campaigns aren't about making a case for
    what's best for their constituents. That says a lot.....about you.
    No, they're for electing the candidate, something so blindingly obvious
    you can only have it missed purposefully.

    Wow....that's about as negative a take on democracy as any I've ever heard.
    That campaigns exist to elect their candidate? If that offends your sensibilities, maybe you should take up a gentler hobby than politics.
    Explains why you apparently lean toward socialism and communism.
    Democratic socialism, that is. Communists don't campaign when in power
    and don't need to, as the winning margins for Castro, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-Un show.

    Commies and socialists all have the same attitude as the Muslim Bhood. Democracy is like a merry go round, you ride it till you get where you want to be and then you get off.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Feb 4 18:39:43 2023
    On 2/4/23 6:15 PM, ScottW wrote:

    Commies and socialists all have the same attitude as the Muslim Bhood.

    Muslim Brotherhood?

    Democracy is like a merry go round, you ride it till you get where you want to be and then you get off.

    Like Jan 6.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 22:52:01 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!
    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Feb 5 12:03:32 2023
    On 2/5/23 12:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting
    payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!

    Indeed it is.

    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!

    Don't forget his tenure as publisher of The Observer.

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  • From Art Sackman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 12:49:26 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:03:34 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting
    payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!
    Indeed it is.
    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!
    Don't forget his tenure as publisher of The Observer

    What does that have to do with the Waters campaign funneling $$$$ to her daughter?

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to Art Sackman on Sun Feb 5 16:25:37 2023
    On 2/5/23 2:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:03:34 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state...

    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress
    from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!
    Indeed it is.
    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!
    Don't forget his tenure as publisher of The Observer

    What does that have to do with the Waters campaign funneling $$$$ to her daughter?

    I thought you were talking about Kushner's business record. Publishing a magazine is similar to publishing political mailers and both were in
    their positions due to family money.

    The campaign was funneling money? Scott said the daughter was "shaking
    down" people, which sounds more like ad sales, which is actual work
    albeit considered slimy sometimes.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 16:01:27 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:25:39 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 2:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:03:34 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state... >>>>
    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress >>>> from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!
    Indeed it is.
    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!
    Don't forget his tenure as publisher of The Observer

    What does that have to do with the Waters campaign funneling $$$$ to her daughter?
    I thought you were talking about Kushner's business record. Publishing a magazine is similar to publishing political mailers and both were in
    their positions due to family money.

    The campaign was funneling money? Scott said the daughter was "shaking
    down" people,

    No...Maxine does the shaking to funnel money to her daughter.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Mon Feb 6 09:30:26 2023
    On 2/5/23 6:01 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 2:25:39 PM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 2:49 PM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:03:34 PM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/5/23 12:52 AM, Art Sackman wrote:
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-5, MINe109 wrote:
    On 2/1/23 9:24 PM, ScottW wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11699681/California-Democrat-Maxine-Waters-caught-new-nepotism-storm-paying-daughter-192-000.html

    192G for hiring a consultant to put out a mailer.
    "The practice involves Waters, a popular California Democrat, accepting >>>>>> payments to appear on the mailers, a common practice in the state... >>>>>>
    Federal regulations do not prohibit candidates or members of Congress >>>>>> from hiring members of their family for a campaign."
    It's great work (snicker) if you can find it.
    https://heavy.com/money/2020/03/jared-kushner-net-worth/


    wow $1 billion for sending a year's worth of mailers for Trump!!!!!
    Indeed it is.
    That sure beats his years on Wall St where he made absolutely zero!
    Don't forget his tenure as publisher of The Observer

    What does that have to do with the Waters campaign funneling $$$$ to her daughter?
    I thought you were talking about Kushner's business record. Publishing a
    magazine is similar to publishing political mailers and both were in
    their positions due to family money.

    The campaign was funneling money? Scott said the daughter was "shaking
    down" people,

    No...Maxine does the shaking to funnel money to her daughter.

    If it's the same method as back in 2004, the money part is done by Karen
    and her public relations firm:

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-dec-19-me-waters19-story.html

    "Slate mailers like Waters’ are a California tradition. They flourish in population centers like greater Los Angeles, where they allow local
    candidates to share the cost of mass mailings that target blocs of
    voters for a fraction of the amount charged by broadcast outlets and
    daily newspapers.

    To guarantee themselves a spot on Waters’ sample ballot, candidates have
    had to jump through two hoops. First, they had to get her endorsement, candidates say. Then, they say, they received a call from Karen Waters
    telling them the cost of advertising it. Karen said she decides on the
    fee without consulting her mother."

    This sums it up nearly two decades later: "Close ties between elected officials’ activities and their family members’ financial interests are
    not uncommon, nor are they specifically prohibited by congressional
    ethics rules or state campaign laws. Still, for some, such conduct
    raises concerns."

    It's old, it's legal and it's politics as usual. There will be no reform because politicians in both parties benefit. And it can be a good deal,
    say people who publish them:

    http://www.calvoterguide.com/keys-to-buying-slates/

    "Every campaign has limited dollars to spend and seemingly unlimited opportunities to spend these precious funds. The challenge is to direct
    your campaign resources for maximum exposure.

    Slate mailings, like California Voter Guide, are the only true point-of-decision advertising that can generate big exposure for a
    reasonable price. Some candidates purchase slates to reinforce their
    campaign message, others use them to try to elevate themselves out of
    the clutter of their challengers. Many incumbents participate on slates
    as “insurance” against a last minute surge or 3rd party attack
    supporting an underfunded challenger."

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