• Who can classify and declassify?

    From mINE109@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 13:21:19 2023
    https://twitter.com/charlie_savage/status/1614054039167111169

    leads to this link which I can be read as is or in 'reader view':

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/us/politics/how-classified-information-is-handled.html

    tl/dr:

    Does the government track the existence of every classified document?

    No, the government does not.

    Is the classification system enforced by criminal law?

    Not directly — for the most part.

    Can vice presidents declassify information?

    Yes. Vice presidents have been deemed “original classification
    authorities” since March 2003, when President George W. Bush altered the executive order then governing the secrecy system to bestow that power
    on Vice President Dick Cheney. The current version of that order
    retained that arrangement.

    Does declassification matter in the current investigations?

    Perhaps as a matter of political messaging, but not much as a matter of
    legal substance...

    Either way, none of the criminal laws the Justice Department cited in
    applying for the F.B.I. search warrant for Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate
    — the Espionage Act, a law against concealing or destroying official
    records, and a law against obstructing an official effort — depend on
    whether the information was classified.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 19:03:00 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:21:25 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    https://twitter.com/charlie_savage/status/1614054039167111169

    leads to this link which I can be read as is or in 'reader view':

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/us/politics/how-classified-information-is-handled.html

    tl/dr:

    Does the government track the existence of every classified document?

    No, the government does not.

    Is the classification system enforced by criminal law?

    Not directly — for the most part.

    Can vice presidents declassify information?

    Yes.

    I always find it amusing when Stephen invokes the Trump defense.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sun Jan 15 12:07:47 2023
    On 1/14/23 9:03 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 11:21:25 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    https://twitter.com/charlie_savage/status/1614054039167111169

    leads to this link which I can be read as is or in 'reader view':

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/us/politics/how-classified-information-is-handled.html

    tl/dr:

    Does the government track the existence of every classified document?

    No, the government does not.

    Is the classification system enforced by criminal law?

    Not directly — for the most part.

    Can vice presidents declassify information?

    Yes.

    I always find it amusing when Stephen invokes the Trump defense.

    In this case, it's the Cheney defense. Remember the "man-size" safe?

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