• Re: xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas

    From Alan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Tue May 7 15:48:21 2024
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    On 2024-05-07 15:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    1. You're such a tedious pedant.

    2. You're wrong on the facts.

    While having 100+ octane gasoline made more power possible, if they
    hadn't had it, engine manufacturers would still have built very
    effective engines.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Tue May 7 21:53:02 2024
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    In article <v1e9i1$3gl7l$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
    https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.

    The Germans had leaded gasoline and they lost.

    The bombers and fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    What about the processes of cracking longer hydrocarbon chains down to 8
    carbon chains?

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward [email protected]

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 8 05:21:53 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
    In article <v1e9i1$3gl7l$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
    https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.

    The Germans had leaded gasoline and they lost.

    The bombers and fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only >> achievable using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    What about the processes of cracking longer hydrocarbon chains down to 8 >carbon chains?


    I've always remembered Ellery's poor rabbit:

    "I'll lay on," returned Prouty grimly. "You're right--I met
    with a violent obstruction. I've had some little experience,
    if you'll pardon the professional modesty, in examining the
    innards of deceased ladies and gentlemen, but I'll confess
    I never saw 'em in such a mess as this chap Field's.
    Seriously, Jones will attest to the truth of that. His
    aesophagus, for example, and the entire tracheal tract
    looked as if some one had taken a blowtorch and played it
    gently over his insides."

    "What was it--couldn't have been bichloride of mercury,
    could it, Doc?" asked Ellery, who prided himself on a
    complete ignorance of the exact sciences.

    "Hardly," growled Prouty. "But let me tell you what happened.
    I analyzed for every poison on the calendar, and although
    this one had familiar petroleum components I couldn't place
    it exactly. Yes, sir--I was stumped good and proper. And
    to let you in on a secret--the Medical Examiner himself,
    who thought I was pie-eyed from overwork, made a stab at
    it with his own fine Italian hand. The net result in his
    case, my boys, was zero. And the M. E.'s not exactly a
    novice either when it comes to chemical analysis. So we
    surrendered the problem to our fountainhead of learning.
    Let him spout his own story."

    Dr. Thaddeus Jones cleared his throat forbiddingly. "Thank
    you, my friend, for a most dramatic introduction," he said
    in his deep lumbering voice. "Yes, Inspector, the remains
    were turned over to me, and in all seriousness, I want to
    say here and now that my discovery was the most startling
    the Toxicologist's office has made in fifteen years!"

    "My, my!" murmured Queen, taking a pinch of snuff. "I'm
    beginning to respect the mentality of our friend the murderer.
    So many things point to the unusual lately! And what did
    you find, Doctor?"

    "I took it for granted that Prouty and the Medical Examiner
    had done the preliminaries very well," began Dr. Jones,
    crossing his bony knees. "They generally do. And so, before
    anything else, I analyzed for the obscure poisons. Obscure,
    that is to say, from the standpoint of the criminal user.
    To show you how minutely I searched--I even thought of that
    favorite standby of our friends the fiction writers: curare,
    the South American toxin which makes the grade in four out
    of five detective stories. But even that sadly abused member
    of the toxic family disappointed me . . . ."

    Ellery leaned back and laughed. "If you're referring in a
    mildly satirical way to my profession, Dr. Jones, let me
    inform you that I have never used curare in any of my
    novels."

    The toxicologist's eyes twinkled. "So you're one of them,
    too, eh? Queen, old man," he added dolorously, turning to
    the Inspector, who was thoughtfully chewing on a piece of
    French pastry, "allow me to offer you my condolences . . .
    . At any rate, gentlemen, let me explain that in the case
    of rare poisons we can generally come to a definite conclusion
    without much trouble--that is, rare poisons that are in the
    pharmacopoeia. Of course, there are any number of rare
    poisons of which we have no knowledge whatever--Eastern
    drugs particularly.

    "Well, to make a long story short, I found myself faced
    with the unpleasant conclusion that I was up a tree." Dr.
    Jones chuckled in reminiscence. "It wasn't a pleasant
    conclusion. The poison I analyzed had certain properties
    which were vaguely familiar, as Prouty has said, and others
    which didn't jibe at all. I spent most of yesterday evening
    mulling over my retorts and testtubes, and late last night
    I suddenly got the answer."

    Ellery and Queen sat up straight and Dr. Prouty relaxed in
    his chair with a sigh, reaching for a second cup of coffee.
    The toxicologist uncrossed his legs, his voice booming more
    terrifyingly than ever.

    "The poison that killed your victim, Inspector, is known
    as tetra ethyl lead!"

    To a scientist this announcement, in Dr. Jones's profoundest
    tones, might have carried a dramatic quality. To the Inspector
    it meant less than nothing. As for Ellery, he murmured,
    "Sounds like a mythological monster to me!"

    Dr. Jones went on, smiling. "So it hasn't impressed you
    much, eh? But let me tell you a little about tetra ethyl
    lead. It is almost odorless--to be more exact, it resembles
    chloroform in physical appearance. Point number one. Point
    number two--it has an odor--faint, to be sure--but distinctly
    like that of ether. Point number three--it is fearfully
    potent. So potent--but let me illustrate just what this
    devilishly powerful chemical substance will do to living
    tissue."

    By this time the toxicologist had gained the entire attention
    of his audience.

    "I took a healthy rabbit, of the sort we use for experiment,
    and painted--just painted, mind you--the tender area behind
    the creature's ear with an undiluted dose of the stuff.
    Remember, this was not an internal injection. It was merely
    a painting of the skin. It would have to be absorbed through
    the dermis before it reached the bloodstream. I watched the
    rabbit for an hour--and after that I didn't have to watch
    him any more. He was as dead as any dead rabbit I ever saw."

    "That doesn't seem so powerful to me, Doctor," protested
    the Inspector.

    "It doesn't, eh? Well, take my word for it that it's
    extraordinary. For a mere daubing of whole, healthy skin--I
    tell you, I was astounded. If the skin had an incision of
    some sort, or if the poison were administered internally,
    that would be a different story. You can imagine, therefore,
    what happened to Field's insides when he swallowed the
    stuff--and he swallowed plenty!"

    Ellery's brow was wrinkled in thought. He began to polish
    the lenses of his pince-nez.

    "And that isn't all," resumed Dr. Jones. "As far as I
    know--and I have been in the service of the city for God
    knows how many years, and I've not kept uninformed about
    the progress of my science in other parts of the world,
    either--as far as I know, tetra ethyl lead has never before
    been used for criminal purposes!"
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Wed May 8 11:30:13 2024
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    This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
    while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

    On Tue, 7 May 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 5/7/2024 5:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and fighters >> both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable using massive >> quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn

    Explained at:
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2929:_Good_and_Bad_Ideas

    Lynn

    This also misses the time aspect. Some ideas were good, and with time
    better options were invented. If those "bad" ideas would have been
    removed, things would now be a lot worse.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 8 21:09:28 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <v1eb3l$3gva7$[email protected]>, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2024-05-07 15:21, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    1. You're such a tedious pedant.

    2. You're wrong on the facts.

    While having 100+ octane gasoline made more power possible, if they
    hadn't had it, engine manufacturers would still have built very
    effective engines.

    Not to the same extent, although we DID know about things like alcohols
    as octane improvers at the time.

    Lead made for MUCH more powerful aircraft engines with much higher
    compression, and because the only octane improver we had at the time
    was lead there were a lot of crazy volatile engine fuels that were
    mostly casing head and lead.

    BUT... the point should be made that if we didn't have ethyl back then,
    the Germans and Japanese probably wouldn't have had it either. Although
    the Germans did some some pretty amazing performance features that we
    didn't know about (like nitrous), keeping a secret like ethyl would
    be difficult.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 8 21:14:03 2024
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    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    What about the processes of cracking longer hydrocarbon chains down to 8 >carbon chains?

    Houdry Process, 1937, although it didn't become usable until the fifties.
    The ex-petrolero across the hall from my office says it was developed out of German coal gasification research.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 10 00:31:45 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting
    Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be
    totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 10 12:36:16 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/8/2024 4:14 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:

    What about the processes of cracking longer hydrocarbon chains down to 8 >>> carbon chains?

    Houdry Process, 1937, although it didn't become usable until the fifties.
    The ex-petrolero across the hall from my office says it was developed out of >> German coal gasification research.

    Ah, I did not know the name of the process. I know the type of column,
    the cat-cracker, short for catalytic cracker, that uses a fluidized bed
    to break the long carbon chain molecules. Getting compressors to run at >1,300 F was quite a impressive trick on materials.

    I didn't either, but the guy across the hall from me today was a petroleum engineering grad from LSU before he got into aero work and he knew more
    than I really wanted to hear.

    Like a lot of great technical advances in the thirties it relied a lot on improved metallurgy, and the Germans and Swedes were top of the heap at
    that time.

    I went down in the old below ground coal-to-gasoline refinery in >Gelsenkirchen back in 1995 or so. That refinery could make almost a
    million gallons of gasoline a day and was never bombed since the Allies
    did not know about it. There were six flights of stairs bolted to the
    wall of the deep pit with the refinery at the bottom. I suddenly
    realized that the stairways were built in the early 1940s when we hit
    the first landing and told my guide that I had seen enough. He assured
    me that they were in good shape but, 50 year old stairs bolted to a wall
    were unnerving. We went back up to the office building.

    Is this open as a tourist attraction or is it still an operating facility?
    I would love to see it!
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 10 16:13:14 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting >>>Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be >>>totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with >pineapple. Worked for me!

    You are not of the body.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Fri May 10 08:46:33 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting >>Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be
    totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with pineapple. Worked for me!
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Fri May 10 17:06:20 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
    =C2=A0=C2=A0 https://xkcd.com/2929/
    =20
    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.=C2=A0 The bombers = >and=20
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable= >=20
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.
    =20
    Lynn
    =20

    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting= >=20
    Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be=20 >>>totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    We used to get the Jeno's pizza mix and bake it
    in rectangular cookie sheets. It was cut into
    square pieces for serving.

    Apparently common in the day:

    http://cougareats.blogspot.com/2008/01/food-memories-jenos-pizza-mix.html

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri May 10 17:12:28 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    [email protected] (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable >>>>> using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting >>>>Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be >>>>totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone >>pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with >>pineapple. Worked for me!

    You are not of the body.

    Happy Joe's pizza restaurants have a delicious Candian Bacon and
    Saurkraut pizza on the Menu.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri May 10 17:56:21 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 5/10/2024 1:20 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 5/10/2024 10:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance  <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
         https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and >>>>> fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable >>>>> using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting >>>> Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be
    totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with
    pineapple. Worked for me!

    Mod Pizza lets you put anything in their bins on your 11 inch pizza.  I
    put pepperoni and spicy sausage with sliced tomatoes, onions, black
    olives, spinach leaves, and pineapple cooked extra crispy.  Lunch and
    dinner both.

    The Secretary has put out a kill order on you.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Fri May 10 17:55:14 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 5/10/2024 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting
    Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be
    totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with pineapple. Worked for me!

    The Secretary has disavowed you.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat May 11 03:28:45 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <v1mn8q$1qp2f$[email protected]>,
    Cryptoengineer <[email protected]> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/10/2024 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
       https://xkcd.com/2929/

    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.  The bombers and >>>>>> fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable >>>>>> using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.

    Lynn


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting >>>>> Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be
    totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    Back when I went to Popa John's, my favorite was "all the meats" with
    pineapple. Worked for me!

    The Secretary has disavowed you.


    Pizzaria Uno cuts its circular pies in a grid pattern, which is a crime >against nature.
    It means you can't pick up a piece without getting your fingers greasy.

    Pt


    You don't pick up Pizzaria Uno pizza. To quote Heinlein: Pie with a fork.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 08:48:43 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:06:20 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas
    =C2=A0=C2=A0 https://xkcd.com/2929/
    =20
    We would have lost WWII without leaded gasoline.=C2=A0 The bombers = >>and=20
    fighters both required 100+ octane gasoline which was only achievable= >>=20
    using massive quantities of tetra-ethyl lead in those days.
    =20
    Lynn
    =20

    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why Cutting= >>=20
    Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems to be=20 >>>>totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone >>pizza squares.

    We used to get the Jeno's pizza mix and bake it
    in rectangular cookie sheets. It was cut into
    square pieces for serving.

    Apparently common in the day:

    http://cougareats.blogspot.com/2008/01/food-memories-jenos-pizza-mix.html

    I used to get Totino's in the frozen food section; the last time I
    did, it was square as well.

    I once tried a small store I was curious about and ended up with a
    vegetarian pizza. Never again. So there /are/ limits to what I will
    eat.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sat May 11 13:54:48 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 5/11/2024 11:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:06:20 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:

    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why
    Cutting Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it
    seems to be totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.

    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone
    pizza squares.

    We used to get the Jeno's pizza mix and bake it
    in rectangular cookie sheets. It was cut into
    square pieces for serving.

    We usually use round pizza pans, but if the occasion calls for one or
    more larger pies Ellen breaks out the rectangular baking sheets; the
    resulting pizza is then cut into squares.

    One of our sons prefers his round pizza cut into squares, although he'll happily eat wedges when that's what's available.

    I once tried a small store I was curious about and ended up with a
    vegetarian pizza. Never again. So there /are/ limits to what I will
    eat.

    Vegetarians and vegans in our extended family; not in our immediate
    household although Ellen won't eat mammal. Nothing wrong with
    vegetarian* pizza; we favor mushrooms and Fontina cheese on pesto when
    prepared at home, mushroom and black olive when ordered out.

    *Even the "best" (as rated by our vegan kin) cheese substitute is
    unacceptable to the rest of us.

    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    [A]nyone can do any amount of work, provided it isn't
    the work he is supposed to be doing at that moment.
    - Robert Benchley

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sun May 12 08:46:03 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sat, 11 May 2024 13:54:48 -0400, Mark Jackson
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    On 5/11/2024 11:48 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:06:20 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
    On 10 May 2024 00:31:45 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v1jm78$ubib$[email protected]>,
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:

    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why
    Cutting Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it
    seems to be totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.

    Did he mention the squares have pineapple on them?

    The chicken pizzas I used to buy in the frozen foods section were
    square. And I think I cut them, if not into squares, then at least
    into quadrilaterals. So I have no trouble with square pizza, let alone >>>> pizza squares.

    We used to get the Jeno's pizza mix and bake it
    in rectangular cookie sheets. It was cut into
    square pieces for serving.

    We usually use round pizza pans, but if the occasion calls for one or
    more larger pies Ellen breaks out the rectangular baking sheets; the >resulting pizza is then cut into squares.

    One of our sons prefers his round pizza cut into squares, although he'll >happily eat wedges when that's what's available.

    I once tried a small store I was curious about and ended up with a
    vegetarian pizza. Never again. So there /are/ limits to what I will
    eat.

    Vegetarians and vegans in our extended family; not in our immediate >household although Ellen won't eat mammal. Nothing wrong with
    vegetarian* pizza; we favor mushrooms and Fontina cheese on pesto when >prepared at home, mushroom and black olive when ordered out.

    *Even the "best" (as rated by our vegan kin) cheese substitute is >unacceptable to the rest of us.

    I found it ... subtanceless. All sizzle, no steak. As it were.

    I think I once had Hawaiian Pizza (the manufacturer's name, not mine).
    I didn't really like it that much. Despite the pineapple.

    I don't think I've tried Four Cheese (again, the manufacturer's name).
    Cheese is a curious food (never mind "cheese substitutes" -- you know,
    it seems to me that a /real/ vegetarian wouldn't be interested in faux
    meat or faux dairy products):
    -- Americal Pasturized Process Cheese Food has a /lot/ of sodium but
    the fat/bad fat content is reasonable
    -- actual cheese [1] has less sodium but the fat, and particularly the
    bad fat, content tends to be quite high -- which, BTW, is reflected in
    any pizza including actual cheese
    so eating something whose primary ingredients are /four cheeses/ isn't dietetically attractive to me.

    [1] In the late 70s, in Germany, McDonalds was not allowed to
    advertized products as containing "Kaese" because the Americal
    Pasturized Process Cheese Food simply did not qualify. So they used
    "Cheese" (that is, the English word) instead: "ein
    Doppel-Viertelpfuender mit Cheese" was my standard order. Of course,
    McDonald's joined the long, long list of things I used to eat but no
    longer do a long time ago.
    So "actual cheese" can be taken as "anything that could be sold as
    'Kaese' in Germany in the late 70s".
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Wed May 22 03:24:10 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Tony Nance wrote:

    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why
    Cutting Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems
    to be totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    For some varities of pizza, cutting into squares is traditional. This
    is especially true of ones that are rectangular, where cutting in any
    other form would be rather difficult.


    Brian

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Default User on Wed May 22 13:42:17 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <v2jogp$10ivd$[email protected]>,
    Default User <[email protected]> wrote:
    Tony Nance wrote:

    On 5/7/24 6:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    xkcd: Good and Bad Ideas


    Humorous as usual, but I'm having a hard time understanding why
    Cutting Pizza In Squares is anywhere on this graph - to me, it seems
    to be totally independent of the entire good/bad axes.


    For some varities of pizza, cutting into squares is traditional. This
    is especially true of ones that are rectangular, where cutting in any
    other form would be rather difficult.

    Cartesian pizza "Grandmother style pizza" or "Sicilian Squares" is traditionally made by people who don't know how to toss the dough for
    making a proper polar pizza. It is much much easier to do.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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