• Re: Dilbert: Airplane Screws

    From Your Name@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Feb 23 09:57:04 2024
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    On 2024-02-22 20:12:59 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

    Dilbert: Airplane Screws

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/1ax8hzl/dilbert_reborn_february_22nd_2024_posted_for_free/


    Oh no, the problem can get worse.

    Lynn

    It does happen. News just been posted at Jalopnik.com ...

    Passengers Watch In Horror As Plane Wing Disintegrates Around Them
    Passengers onboard a Boeing 757 reported seeing a section of the
    plane's wing disintegrate as it flew to Boston

    <https://jalopnik.com/passengers-watch-in-horror-as-plane-wing-disintegrates-1851278330>



    The usual media attention-grabbing sensationalist headline of course.
    The wing did not "disintegrate" at all. It was simply one of the wing
    flaps which must have had a bird strike and was badly damaged, but
    there was no danger to the plane or passengers.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Feb 22 20:17:42 2024
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    In article <ur89sb$2d7r$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    Dilbert: Airplane Screws

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dilbert/comments/1ax8hzl/dilbert_reborn_february_22nd_2024_posted_for_free/

    Oh no, the problem can get worse.

    Lynn

    They're screwed all right.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Mark Jackson@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Thu Feb 22 20:47:45 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and
    its ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well. We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett. There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions. (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I ascribe most of the remaining mismatch between headlines and content
    to lack of staff, which breeds sloppy writing and absent editing.

    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    I have tried to bring scientific thinking to literary
    criticism, and there's been very little gratitude for this.
    - Kurt Vonnegut

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Fri Feb 23 18:14:11 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 2024-02-23 01:47:45 +0000, Mark Jackson said:

    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and its
    ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well. We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett. There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions. (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I ascribe most of the remaining mismatch between headlines and content
    to lack of staff, which breeds sloppy writing and absent editing.

    The sensationalist headlines began with the printed newspaper, long
    before TV, radio, or internet even existed. They did it to get you to
    buy their newspaper rather than a competitor's newspaper. It still
    continues now, especially (but not solely!) in the tabloid press.

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Mark Jackson on Fri Feb 23 09:11:02 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Feb 22, 2024, Mark Jackson wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and
    its ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well. We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett. There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions. (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I used to work for a newspaper. The first (usually the only) edition had to
    be done in Editorial by 10:30. Editorial would send copy to Pre-Press. Pre-Press would burn film and then burn plates from the film, and hand the plates to Press. Press would load up a five-ton roll of newsprint, slap a few 55-gallon drums of ink into the system, and crank. The plates were good for 50,000 to 75,000 impressions, then Press needed new plates. If something important happened, Editorial would change the front page, or, usually, the sports front page, Pre-Press would burn new new film and new plates, and
    drive on. That’s the second edition. If nothing important happened,
    Pre-Press would burn plates from the old film, repeat as necessary to get 500 to 550 thousand copies out the door. If the first edition wasn’t on the trucks for delivery to remote areas by 11:00 pm, we were late, and there
    would be lots of screaming in the morning meeting.

    Parts of the daily paper might be sent to plates days in advance. This would include full-page or multi-page ads, the holy grail of newspaper advertising guys. The Sunday paper would start printing on Wednesday; by Saturday night usually just the front page and the sports was left. Have a look at your
    local Sunday paper; count the full-page, double-page, and, if the ad gods
    have smiled, four-page ads. All of those would be on plates and often on newsprint by Thursday. Things like the TV guide and the ‘magazine’ would
    be on paper by Friday at the latest, stacked up to be inserted when the rest
    of the paper was printed. If some department store was having an
    extra-special sale, there might be an eight-page advertising insert. (Note
    that it’s been 30 years, things have changed, what’s a ‘department store’?)

    The sports guys were the bane of Pre-Press and Press’s existence, they
    would hold for late scores, and God help us if there was a Test series going
    on in India, Pakistan, or much worse, Australia or New Zealand. There would
    be multiple editions to try to keep up. Same kind of thing if the World Cup
    was being played in Europe or Asia.

    Modern imagesetters bypass the film step and print straight to plates. If everything is working properly, one Pre-Press guy can burn all the plates for the paper in under two hours. If things are not working properly (the usual state) Pre-Press will start burning at 4:00 pm or earlier and might be late, causing Press to be late, causing the delivery trucks to be late, causing screaming in the morning meeting. It would get worse if Editorial changed the copy after film and/or plates had already been burned, causing Pre-Press to toss plates and Press to junk printed pages.

    It could be worse. It could be assembling the copy using a copy stick and individual letters. Mirror-reversed. It still ain’t easy to get a paper out the door.


    I ascribe most of the remaining mismatch between headlines and content
    to lack of staff, which breeds sloppy writing and absent editing.

    Mostly they’re under serious time pressure. If Editorial is late,
    everything is late. Regular columns are ready to roll days in advance, but current news must be updated Right Now. Especially sports. It’s not so much the actual writing, it’s using Quirk Xcess or Adumbe InStupid to move stuff around on the pages so that everything fits, kicking a copy to the mono laser if a black-and-white page or a copy to the color laser (the incredibly expensive color laser) if a color page to make sure that everything works (it’s amazing how many errors are invisible on screen but are glaringly obvious on paper) and then sending the completed copy to Pre-Press. Black-and-white pages are one page of film ($3/foot). Single-color pages are two pages of film. Full-color pages are four pages of film. Each page of film gets its own plate. The imagesetter (in our case, the $150,000 imagesetter; a fast imagesetter would have cost considerably more) moves slowly. Pre-Press
    has to develop the film, then use it to burn plates. The plate-maker is
    slower than the imagesetter. Note that the film developer and the plate-maker were free... if we bought film and plates and chemicals from that vendor. And we had to have a service come in and collect used chemicals; there’d be,
    for example, silver in the water chemicals, but more important there’d be nitric acid and various cynides. Just pouring that stuff down the drain was
    Not A Good Idea. (There’s a reason why making plates is called burning
    them.) Pre-Press was supposed to wear protective aprons and gloves and such, but you could usually tell the pre-press guys by the holes in their jeans and the discoloration of their hands. You had to stop burning film every now and again to remove the old chemicals. And, yes, the film developer was in the
    dark room. Film had to be transported to the dark room in a container, taken out of the container, fed into the developer, chemicals added as necessary. A roll of film was 300 feet, a.k.a. $900. Pre-press would eat multiple rolls
    per day. God help you if you slipped up and exposed film to light.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Feb 23 15:29:52 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    Your Name <[email protected]> writes:
    On 2024-02-23 01:47:45 +0000, Mark Jackson said:

    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and its
    ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well. We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett. There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions. (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I ascribe most of the remaining mismatch between headlines and content
    to lack of staff, which breeds sloppy writing and absent editing.

    The sensationalist headlines began with the printed newspaper, long
    before TV, radio, or internet even existed. They did it to get you to
    buy their newspaper rather than a competitor's newspaper. It still
    continues now, especially (but not solely!) in the tabloid press.


    One word. Hearst.

    They do have a name for that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Fri Feb 23 15:55:09 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    WolfFan <[email protected]> writes:
    On Feb 22, 2024, Mark Jackson wrote
    (in article <[email protected]>):

    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and
    its ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well. We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett. There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions. (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I used to work for a newspaper. The first (usually the only) edition had to >be done in Editorial by 10:30. Editorial would send copy to Pre-Press. >Pre-Press would burn film and then burn plates from the film, and hand the >plates to Press. Press would load up a five-ton roll of newsprint, slap a few >55-gallon drums of ink into the system, and crank. The plates were good for >50,000 to 75,000 impressions, then Press needed new plates. If something >important happened, Editorial would change the front page, or, usually, the >sports front page, Pre-Press would burn new new film and new plates, and >drive on. That’s the second edition. If nothing important happened, >Pre-Press would burn plates from the old film, repeat as necessary to get 500 >to 550 thousand copies out the door. If the first edition wasn’t on the >trucks for delivery to remote areas by 11:00 pm, we were late, and there >would be lots of screaming in the morning meeting.

    One of my cousins was Production Manager at a Dow Jones (WSJ) plant (in Palo Alto)
    in the 90's. I used to stop by in the evenings during the production run. Those were the days when they were converting from manual paste-up to
    digital page layout. The one star edition printing started about 7:00pm
    (so they could get them on an evening flight to Hawaii), and they'd update
    the front page a couple times during the run (usually finishing with a three-star headline). The plates for local paste-up were done via
    film, the remaining pages were sent from Ma. via C-band to a laser printer that exposed the plate and a subsequent chemical bath cleared the non-exposed regions.

    I still have a pristene plate for January 17, 1991, where the headline is
    "Waves of U.S. Planes Attack IRAQ as war breaks out in the Persian Gulf"

    I have a couple of double-truck plates containing adverts as well.

    The Palo Alto printing plant closed a couple of decades ago.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Sun Feb 25 19:55:34 2024
    XPost: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 2024-02-23 16:01:56 +0000, Cryptoengineer said:
    On 2/23/2024 12:14 AM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-02-23 01:47:45 +0000, Mark Jackson said:
    On 2/22/2024 5:14 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Unfortunately, the way the internet is monetized with ads means that
    every link becomes clickbait, trying to force you to click through
    to find out what its really about. You also see this on most US TV
    news, with teasers of what's coming broadcast to make you sit
    through minutes of ads for the ten seconds of data you're really
    after.

    Print media avoid this, since you've already bought the paper, and its >>>> ads, when you read the story. "Don't bury the lede" is the slogan
    of good print journalism - give the important stuff right at the
    beginning of the story. Internet and TV news bury the lede to the
    maximum extent possible.

    ISTM that these problems have crept into print media as well.� We still
    get a daily paper (and the NYT in print on Sundays), which is
    unfortunately part of Gannett.� There's been an increase in
    sensationalized headlines, possibly in the belief that this will help
    slow down the decline in subscriptions.� (They're certainly not
    retaining subscribers for timely news, as they appear to go to press
    well before midnight the day before, and often splash a story on their
    front page that was on their mediocre website three days before.)

    I ascribe most of the remaining mismatch between headlines and content
    to lack of staff, which breeds sloppy writing and absent editing.

    The sensationalist headlines began with the printed newspaper, long
    before TV, radio, or internet even existed. They did it to get you to
    buy their newspaper rather than a competitor's newspaper. It still
    continues now, especially (but not solely!) in the tabloid press.

    The functional difference is what you read before and after you've
    given money to the writer.

    Anything read beforehand needs, from the writer's POV, to make you
    want to give him money by clicking through or buying the paper

    Anything read after has a different value proposition - it needs
    to persuade you that the purchase was well worth it, and that you
    should repeat the purchase.

    In the online case, it also needs to keep you scrolling to the
    end, so you see the maximum number of ads. Sites get paid for
    the exposure.

    Thus, screaming headlines by articles that don't bury the
    lede in print, but not so much online.

    pt

    That only works if the online article goes over multiple webpages that
    the user has to click through to (some do, but most don't). For single
    page stories it is irrelevant - most web browsers load the entire page,
    that includes all the text, images and adverts, whether or not the user
    scrolls further down the page to see them. The "enticing" headline
    appearing in a Google search, "other news" links on the page, etc. is
    the clickbait.

    It's exactly the same as the newspaper - getting you to buy / read
    their version rather than a competitior's version by having a more
    "enticing" headline, even if it has little (or even nothing) to do with
    the actual story.

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