xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
On 10/25/2023 1:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
xkcd: Daylight Saving ChoiceEach year. ;)
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
In article <uhc45k$12fst$[email protected]>,
Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/25/2023 1:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
xkcd: Daylight Saving ChoiceEach year. ;)
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose
when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight
Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use
it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes = >forward=20
year round.
=20
Explained at:
= >https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
=20
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20 >>literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20 >>abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20 >>etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20 >><https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes = >>forward=20
year round.
=20
Explained at:
= >>https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>=20
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20 >>>literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20 >>>abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20 >>>incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20 >>>below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20 >>>etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20 >>><https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >>gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless >of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
In article <YXw_M.115476$[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:forward=20
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>> =20year round.
=20
Explained at:
=
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20 >>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >>> gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless
of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
As may be--David never made but one crop. The following year his
acreage was "soil-banked," and he received a fat check for not
working it, which suited him just fine. Dave loved those hills, he
had always been homesick for them; he had left them simply to avoid
work. Now he was being paid not to work in them--which suited him;
he had never thought that their charms were enhanced by plowing and
getting them all dusty.
The "soil bank" payments took care of the mortgage, and his retired
pay left a tidy sum over, so he hired a man to do those chores a
farm requires even though it is not being worked for a crop--feed
the chickens, milk a cow or two, tend a vegetable garden and some
fruit trees, repair fences--while the hired man's wife helped David's
wife with the house. For himself, David bought a hammock.
But David was not a harsh employer. He suspected that cows did not
want to be waked at five in the morning any more than he did--and
he undertook to find out.
He learned that cows would happily change their circadian to more
reasonable hours, given the chance. They had to be milked twice a
day; they were bred for that. But nine o'clock in the morning suited
them for a first milking quite as well as five, as long as it was
regular.
But it did not stay that way; Dave's hired man had the nervous habit
of work. To him there was something sinful in milking a cow that
late. So David let him have his way, and hired man and cows went
back to their old habits.
As for Dave, he strung that hammock between two shade trees and put
a table by it to hold a frosty drink. He would get up in the morning
when he woke, whether it was nine or noon, eat breakfast, then walk
slowly to his hammock to rest up for lunch. The hardest work he did
was endorsing checks for deposit, and, once a month, balancing his
wife's checkbook. He quit wearing shoes.
In article <YXw_M.115476$[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:forward=20
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>> =20year round.
=20
Explained at:
=
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20 >>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >>> gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless
of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
As may be--David never made but one crop. The following year his
acreage was "soil-banked," and he received a fat check for not
working it, which suited him just fine. Dave loved those hills, he
had always been homesick for them; he had left them simply to avoid
work. Now he was being paid not to work in them--which suited him;
he had never thought that their charms were enhanced by plowing and
getting them all dusty.
The "soil bank" payments took care of the mortgage, and his retired
pay left a tidy sum over, so he hired a man to do those chores a
farm requires even though it is not being worked for a crop--feed
the chickens, milk a cow or two, tend a vegetable garden and some
fruit trees, repair fences--while the hired man's wife helped David's
wife with the house. For himself, David bought a hammock.
But David was not a harsh employer. He suspected that cows did not
want to be waked at five in the morning any more than he did--and
he undertook to find out.
He learned that cows would happily change their circadian to more
reasonable hours, given the chance. They had to be milked twice a
day; they were bred for that. But nine o'clock in the morning suited
them for a first milking quite as well as five, as long as it was
regular.
But it did not stay that way; Dave's hired man had the nervous habit
of work. To him there was something sinful in milking a cow that
late. So David let him have his way, and hired man and cows went
back to their old habits.
As for Dave, he strung that hammock between two shade trees and put
a table by it to hold a frosty drink. He would get up in the morning
when he woke, whether it was nine or noon, eat breakfast, then walk
slowly to his hammock to rest up for lunch. The hardest work he did
was endorsing checks for deposit, and, once a month, balancing his
wife's checkbook. He quit wearing shoes.
On 10/26/2023 12:28 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <YXw_M.115476$[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:forward=20
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>> =20year round.
=20
Explained at:
=
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20 >>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >>>> gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless
of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
As may be--David never made but one crop. The following year his
acreage was "soil-banked," and he received a fat check for not
working it, which suited him just fine. Dave loved those hills, he
had always been homesick for them; he had left them simply to avoid
work. Now he was being paid not to work in them--which suited him;
he had never thought that their charms were enhanced by plowing and
getting them all dusty.
The "soil bank" payments took care of the mortgage, and his retired
pay left a tidy sum over, so he hired a man to do those chores a
farm requires even though it is not being worked for a crop--feed
the chickens, milk a cow or two, tend a vegetable garden and some
fruit trees, repair fences--while the hired man's wife helped David's
wife with the house. For himself, David bought a hammock.
But David was not a harsh employer. He suspected that cows did not
want to be waked at five in the morning any more than he did--and
he undertook to find out.
He learned that cows would happily change their circadian to more
reasonable hours, given the chance. They had to be milked twice a
day; they were bred for that. But nine o'clock in the morning suited
them for a first milking quite as well as five, as long as it was
regular.
But it did not stay that way; Dave's hired man had the nervous habit
of work. To him there was something sinful in milking a cow that
late. So David let him have his way, and hired man and cows went
back to their old habits.
As for Dave, he strung that hammock between two shade trees and put
a table by it to hold a frosty drink. He would get up in the morning
when he woke, whether it was nine or noon, eat breakfast, then walk
slowly to his hammock to rest up for lunch. The hardest work he did
was endorsing checks for deposit, and, once a month, balancing his
wife's checkbook. He quit wearing shoes.
Heinlein ?
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> writes:
On 10/26/2023 12:28 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <YXw_M.115476$[email protected]>,
Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:forward=20
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>>> =20year round.
=20
Explained at:
=
gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20 >>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20 >>>>>> abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20 >>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy >>>>>> we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings >>>>>> Time were found to be insignificant.
=20
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin=
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless
of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
As may be--David never made but one crop. The following year his
acreage was "soil-banked," and he received a fat check for not
working it, which suited him just fine. Dave loved those hills, he
had always been homesick for them; he had left them simply to avoid >>> work. Now he was being paid not to work in them--which suited him;
he had never thought that their charms were enhanced by plowing and >>> getting them all dusty.
The "soil bank" payments took care of the mortgage, and his retired >>> pay left a tidy sum over, so he hired a man to do those chores a
farm requires even though it is not being worked for a crop--feed
the chickens, milk a cow or two, tend a vegetable garden and some
fruit trees, repair fences--while the hired man's wife helped David's >>> wife with the house. For himself, David bought a hammock.
But David was not a harsh employer. He suspected that cows did not
want to be waked at five in the morning any more than he did--and
he undertook to find out.
He learned that cows would happily change their circadian to more
reasonable hours, given the chance. They had to be milked twice a
day; they were bred for that. But nine o'clock in the morning suited >>> them for a first milking quite as well as five, as long as it was
regular.
But it did not stay that way; Dave's hired man had the nervous habit >>> of work. To him there was something sinful in milking a cow that
late. So David let him have his way, and hired man and cows went
back to their old habits.
As for Dave, he strung that hammock between two shade trees and put >>> a table by it to hold a frosty drink. He would get up in the morning >>> when he woke, whether it was nine or noon, eat breakfast, then walk >>> slowly to his hammock to rest up for lunch. The hardest work he did >>> was endorsing checks for deposit, and, once a month, balancing his
wife's checkbook. He quit wearing shoes.
Heinlein ?
The man who was to lazy to fail.
Part of Time Enough for Love.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when=20 >>>Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose=20 >>>when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight=20 >>>Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use=20 >>>it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes = >>forward=20
year round.
=20
Explained at:
= >>https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>=20
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=20 >>>literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=20 >>>abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=20 >>>incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=20 >>>below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),=20 >>>etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=20 >>><https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savin= >>gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=20
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, regardless >of the sun.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:Daylight=3D20
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed = >when=3D20
Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply = >chose=3D20
when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly =
Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do = >use=3D20gs-time-reduce-energy-consumption>=3D20
it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>forward=3D20
year round.
=3D20
Explained at:
=3D >>>https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>=3D20
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -=3D20 >>>>literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be=3D20 >>>>abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an=3D20 >>>>incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as=3D20 >>>>below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear = >watches),=3D20
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
=3D20 >>>><https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-sav= >in=3D
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, = >regardless
of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight
Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people.
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>>
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches), >>>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600,
regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to
a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the
grain belt.
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>>>
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches), >>>>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600,
regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to
a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the
grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers"
idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as >everyone else: ><https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/>
The idea was to save energy (specifically coal originally), but it has
never actually worked in doing that.
In article <uhhccv$2g2h4$[email protected]>,
Your Name <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches), >>>>>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600,
regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to >>> a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the >>> grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers" >>idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as >>everyone else: >><https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/>
The idea was to save energy (specifically coal originally), but it has >>never actually worked in doing that.
My farming Aunt despised DST and referred to Standard Time as "God's Time".
The curious thing is that it is somehow more acceptable for the government
to change the clocks than to ask people to come to work an hour earlier.
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice >>>>>>>
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time -
literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as
below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches), >>>>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600,
regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to
a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the
grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers"
idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as >everyone else: ><https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/>
The idea was to save energy (specifically coal originally), but it has
never actually worked in doing that.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:32 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be
abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an
incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches), >>>>>>> etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy
we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings
Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and
working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600,
regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless
of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does,
Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to
a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the
grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers"
idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as
everyone else:
<https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/>
I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to
work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
Dimensional Traveler <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/25/2023 1:06 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes forward
year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:32 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still
wrote:
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>>>> wrote:Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be >>>>>>>> abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an >>>>>>>> incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time
the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy >>>>>>>> we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings >>>>>>>> Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and >>>>>>> working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, >>>>>> regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless >>>>>> of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does, >>>>
the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to >>>> a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the >>>> grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers"
idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as
everyone else:
<https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/>
I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to
work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
doing it?
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:32 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still
wrote:
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>> wrote:Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while >>>>> the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose >>>>>>>>> when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use >>>>>>>>> it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be >>>>>>>>> abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an >>>>>>>>> incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time >>>>>>>>> the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy >>>>>>>>> we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are
inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings >>>>>>>>> Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and >>>>>>>> working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, >>>>>>> regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless >>>>>>> of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does, >>>>>
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to >>>>> a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the >>>>> grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers
need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers" >>>> idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as
everyone else:
<https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/> >>>
work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we
still doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
On 10/29/2023 9:08 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:32 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still
wrote:
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to >>>> work more hours also.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>> wrote:Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while >>>>>> the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when >>>>>>>>>> Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose
when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use
it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D >>>>>>>>>>> forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be >>>>>>>>>> abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an >>>>>>>>>> incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time >>>>>>>>>> the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy >>>>>>>>>> we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are >>>>>>>>>> inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings >>>>>>>>>> Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and >>>>>>>>> working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, >>>>>>>> regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless >>>>>>>> of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does, >>>>>>
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to >>>>>> a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the >>>>>> grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers >>>>> need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers" >>>>> idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as >>>>> everyone else:
<https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/> >>>>
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Traditions should be liked and fun or potentially useful, not disliked
and kept around because our great-grandparents did it that way.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler >><[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we
still doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Any state can opt out of DST, and some do. What people usually think
they want is that year-round. At one point the country did that, but
quickly (for Congress) reversed it.
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:46:12 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/29/2023 9:08 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:08:32 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote:And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still
On 2023-10-27 16:52:14 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to >>>>> work more hours also.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:01:44 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>>> wrote:Strawman argument, to be sure. A farmer will do his fieldwork while >>>>>>> the sun is up[*], regardless of what the clock says.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2023-10-25 20:06:15 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
xkcd: Daylight Saving Choice
https://xkcd.com/2846/
There was a place in the news not long ago where they disagreed when
Daylight Saving should start and end, so many businesses simply chose
when to change their clocks.
There are also quite a few places that do not bother silly Daylight >>>>>>>>>>> Saving at all, even some regions / towns within countries that do use
it. That just makes it even messier and more confusing for people. >>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, I like the compromise of just moving all clocks 39 minutes =3D
forward year round.
Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2846:_Daylight_Saving_Choice
Lynn
Daylight Saving is and has always been a complete waste of time - >>>>>>>>>>> literally. It is completely useless and pointless and should be >>>>>>>>>>> abandoned worldwide.
Whichever origin story you want to believe, it turns out is an >>>>>>>>>>> incorrect assumption because it doesn't actually save energy (as >>>>>>>>>>> below), it doesn't help farmers (animals and crops don't wear watches),
etc.
Research has also shown that while it might decrease the time >>>>>>>>>>> the lights are on, it could also increase the amount of energy >>>>>>>>>>> we use to heat and cool our homes. Overall, the answers are >>>>>>>>>>> inconclusive and any energy savings caused by Daylight Savings >>>>>>>>>>> Time were found to be insignificant.
<https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/02/07/will-scrapping-daylight-savings-time-reduce-energy-consumption>
That, IIRC, wasn't the point.
The point was getting workers (and farmers) starting earlier and >>>>>>>>>> working longer because the Sun was up.
Have you ever _been_ on a farm? Milking starts at 0400 and 1600, >>>>>>>>> regardless of the sun.
Milking cows isn't all that happens on a farm.
There is also the plowin' and the sowin' and the reapin'.
Which can be done as long as there is light.
There's still the same number of sunlit hours in the day regardless >>>>>>>>> of which hour it starts at.
Precisely.
But if people don't normally get up until an hour after the Sun does, >>>>>>>
[*] Although farm equipment (e.g. tractors) has had lights for close to >>>>>>> a century now. Quite a bit of grain is combined during darkness in the >>>>>>> grain belt.
Yep. Why force everyone to change their clocks when just the farmers >>>>>> need to get up earlier?? The whole "Daylight Saving is for the farmers" >>>>>> idea is simply nonsense anyway - most farmers hate it just as much as >>>>>> everyone else:
<https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/> >>>>>
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Traditions should be liked and fun or potentially useful, not disliked
and kept around because our great-grandparents did it that way.
If everybody /wanted/ to do it, it wouldn't have to be a tradition.
Our great-grandparents may have lit their Christmas trees with
candles. If not, /their/ great-grandparents surely did. That's a
tradition that died out. With, no doubt, a lot of whining and
accusations of cowardice ("who's afraid of a house fire now and
then?").
I myself have witnessed the extinction (in me) of a tradition of my
maternal grandfather's: that each and every piece of tinsel must be
placed on the tree individually. As opposed to being tossed on in
globs.
It took hours, but then, he wasn't the one doing it.
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:46:12 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/29/2023 9:08 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to >>>>> work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that
prompted its adoption.
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still
doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Traditions should be liked and fun or potentially useful, not
disliked>and kept around because our great-grandparents did it that way.
If everybody /wanted/ to do it, it wouldn't have to be a tradition.
Our great-grandparents may have lit their Christmas trees with
candles. If not, /their/ great-grandparents surely did. That's a
tradition that died out. With, no doubt, a lot of whining and
accusations of cowardice ("who's afraid of a house fire now and
then?").
I myself have witnessed the extinction (in me) of a tradition of my
maternal grandfather's: that each and every piece of tinsel must be
placed on the tree individually. As opposed to being tossed on in
globs.
It took hours, but then, he wasn't the one doing it.
On 2023-10-30 16:05:58 +0000, Paul S Person said:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:46:12 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/29/2023 9:08 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to >>>>>> work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and
DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that >>>>>> prompted its adoption.
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still >>>>> doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Traditions should be liked and fun or potentially useful, not
disliked>and kept around because our great-grandparents did it that way.
If everybody /wanted/ to do it, it wouldn't have to be a tradition.
Our great-grandparents may have lit their Christmas trees with
candles. If not, /their/ great-grandparents surely did. That's a
tradition that died out. With, no doubt, a lot of whining and
accusations of cowardice ("who's afraid of a house fire now and
then?").
I myself have witnessed the extinction (in me) of a tradition of my
maternal grandfather's: that each and every piece of tinsel must be
placed on the tree individually. As opposed to being tossed on in
globs.
It took hours, but then, he wasn't the one doing it.
The fools next door to us already have their Christmas tree up and the >lights twinkling at night - it's been there about a week, at least.
Shops have had their Christmas stock on shelves for weeks as well. :-\
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
Unix systems did so a decade before the first line of windows code
was written.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
On 11/1/2023 11:16 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is >>>>> to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
Unix systems did so a decade before the first line of windows code
was written.
Where do you think the Windows code came from ? FreeBSD !
On 11/1/2023 10:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
Actually, many of the old Windows operating systems have had emergency >patches since Congress keeps on moving the DST on / off days around.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we
still doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Any state can opt out of DST, and some do. What people usually think
they want is that year-round. At one point the country did that, but
quickly (for Congress) reversed it.
Brian
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
On 10/30/23 12:59 AM, Default User wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we
still doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Any state can opt out of DST, and some do. What people usually think
they want is that year-round. At one point the country did that, but
quickly (for Congress) reversed it.
Brian
It was during the first OPEC embargo. Children were walking to school
before dawn.
On 11/1/23 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
I con't remember MacOS Classic, but macOS and all its derivatives do.
But there are also lesser devices that tune into WWVB, and late NTSC televisions and VCRs could decode time signals off a side-channel in
the closed-captioning data.
On 2023-11-04 01:11:03 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
On 11/1/23 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is >>>>> to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
I con't remember MacOS Classic, but macOS and all its derivatives do.
But there are also lesser devices that tune into WWVB, and late NTSC
televisions and VCRs could decode time signals off a side-channel in
the closed-captioning data.
Early versions of the Classic MacOS did not have automatic Daylight
Saving time changes, but the later ones did. It would have been the
same for other old OSes (early versions of Windows, AmigaOS, AtariOS,
etc.)
Support for older devices usually ends realtively quickly, so if your >country changes the rules for the start and/or end date, then your old >devices will continue to use the old rules and change the time on the
wrong dates. I used to have to change my old computer's clock four
times a year thanks to the fools in New Zealand's government changed
the dates.
Every silly Daylight Saving changeover means I have to go around
changing two wall clocks, my watch, my mother's watch, the oven clock,
and the microwave clock, my car clock (which is a bit of a pain since
it can only be altered forwards), my mother's car clock (which is
easier since it has a "Daylight Saving" on/off button in the
infotainment system).
The varying start and end dates in different countries, states, and
cities, just makes a complete mockery of the International Time Zones.
The world's governments should simply select a particular time and day
to change *all* the clocks by 30mins or whatever, and then stop
screwing about with them ever again.
John W Kennedy <[email protected]> writes:
On 10/30/23 12:59 AM, Default User wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we
still doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Any state can opt out of DST, and some do. What people usually think
they want is that year-round. At one point the country did that, but
quickly (for Congress) reversed it.
Brian
It was during the first OPEC embargo. Children were walking to school >>before dawn.
It didn't bother me at all (it was a three block walk to elementary
school).
On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 10:03:35 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-11-04 01:11:03 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
On 11/1/23 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is >>>>>> to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected >>>> areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
I con't remember MacOS Classic, but macOS and all its derivatives do.
But there are also lesser devices that tune into WWVB, and late NTSC
televisions and VCRs could decode time signals off a side-channel in
the closed-captioning data.
Early versions of the Classic MacOS did not have automatic Daylight
Saving time changes, but the later ones did. It would have been the
same for other old OSes (early versions of Windows, AmigaOS, AtariOS,
etc.)
Support for older devices usually ends realtively quickly, so if your
country changes the rules for the start and/or end date, then your old
devices will continue to use the old rules and change the time on the
wrong dates. I used to have to change my old computer's clock four
times a year thanks to the fools in New Zealand's government changed
the dates.
Every silly Daylight Saving changeover means I have to go around
changing two wall clocks, my watch, my mother's watch, the oven clock,
and the microwave clock, my car clock (which is a bit of a pain since
it can only be altered forwards), my mother's car clock (which is
easier since it has a "Daylight Saving" on/off button in the
infotainment system).
The varying start and end dates in different countries, states, and
cities, just makes a complete mockery of the International Time Zones.
The world's governments should simply select a particular time and day
to change *all* the clocks by 30mins or whatever, and then stop
screwing about with them ever again.
Except for changing everything by 30 minutes, I agree: DST should stop
and never be heard from again.
Changing by 30 minutes would simply move the points where clock time
(in ST, of course) matches reality from the /middle/ of each Time Zone
to one of the edges. This statement, of course, depends on my actually knowing how Time Zones work.
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 09:43:57 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-10-30 16:05:58 +0000, Paul S Person said:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:46:12 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/29/2023 9:08 AM, Paul S Person wrote:If everybody /wanted/ to do it, it wouldn't have to be a tradition.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:51:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/28/2023 8:49 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
I never said it was for farmers only; during WWII, factories needed to >>>>>>> work more hours also.
And applying today's standards and practices to the time DST (and >>>>>>> DDST) originated is inappropriate. It was the situation /then/ that >>>>>>> prompted its adoption.
And said situation ended ~70 years ago so why the bleep are we still >>>>>> doing it?
As Tevye would sing: Traa-diiiii-tion!
Traditions should be liked and fun or potentially useful, not
disliked>and kept around because our great-grandparents did it that way. >>>
Our great-grandparents may have lit their Christmas trees with
candles. If not, /their/ great-grandparents surely did. That's a
tradition that died out. With, no doubt, a lot of whining and
accusations of cowardice ("who's afraid of a house fire now and
then?").
I myself have witnessed the extinction (in me) of a tradition of my
maternal grandfather's: that each and every piece of tinsel must be
placed on the tree individually. As opposed to being tossed on in
globs.
It took hours, but then, he wasn't the one doing it.
The fools next door to us already have their Christmas tree up and the >>lights twinkling at night - it's been there about a week, at least.
Shops have had their Christmas stock on shelves for weeks as well. :-\
In a lot of cases, it's their big season. Some sell more over the
holidays than the do the rest of the year [1]. So a desire to extend
"the holidays" is understandable. Indeed, I was asked if I was "ready
for Holloween" at the QFC yesterday. I didn't answer, but of course I
am ready: ready to not turn my porch light on, that is.
[1] The island stores in /Jaws/ are probably an exception.
On 11/5/2023 7:52 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 5 Nov 2023 10:03:35 +1300, Your Name <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 2023-11-04 01:11:03 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
On 11/1/23 11:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt) >>>>> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is >>>>>>> to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected >>>>> areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their >>>>> clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
I con't remember MacOS Classic, but macOS and all its derivatives do.
But there are also lesser devices that tune into WWVB, and late NTSC
televisions and VCRs could decode time signals off a side-channel in
the closed-captioning data.
Early versions of the Classic MacOS did not have automatic Daylight
Saving time changes, but the later ones did. It would have been the
same for other old OSes (early versions of Windows, AmigaOS, AtariOS,
etc.)
Support for older devices usually ends realtively quickly, so if your
country changes the rules for the start and/or end date, then your old
devices will continue to use the old rules and change the time on the
wrong dates. I used to have to change my old computer's clock four
times a year thanks to the fools in New Zealand's government changed
the dates.
Every silly Daylight Saving changeover means I have to go around
changing two wall clocks, my watch, my mother's watch, the oven clock,
and the microwave clock, my car clock (which is a bit of a pain since
it can only be altered forwards), my mother's car clock (which is
easier since it has a "Daylight Saving" on/off button in the
infotainment system).
The varying start and end dates in different countries, states, and
cities, just makes a complete mockery of the International Time Zones.
The world's governments should simply select a particular time and day
to change *all* the clocks by 30mins or whatever, and then stop
screwing about with them ever again.
Except for changing everything by 30 minutes, I agree: DST should stop
and never be heard from again.
Changing by 30 minutes would simply move the points where clock time
(in ST, of course) matches reality from the /middle/ of each Time Zone
to one of the edges. This statement, of course, depends on my actually
knowing how Time Zones work.
Its all the railroads' fault.
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt)
wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is
to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected
areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their
clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks
automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 02:37:29 GMT, [email protected] (Dorothy J Heydt) >>wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's easier to require everyone to move their clocks ahead than it is >>>>to convince everyone to get up an hour earlier.
[Hal Heydt]
Or, not to put too fine a point on it, it's easier to lie to
people than to explain why you want them to do something and try
to convince them you are correct. Only works on the easily
confused, though.
And yet, easily confused or not, pretty much everyone (in the affected >>areas, of course, not everyone absolutely) goes along and moves their >>clocks as directed.
As an added convenience, Windows computers change their clocks >>automatically. And many non-Windows computers and many devices
probably do so as well.
[Hal Heydt]
I can assure you that at least series of Linux releases does,
too. And without any need to re-boot to make the time change
effective.
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