You'd think those opposed to CRT would have stopped making a certain claim by now, as referred to in panel 4...

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/05/22

At any rate, here's one comment that really caught my eye.

Mere_Cat about 1 hour ago
"I was taught about slavery and emancipation as a child in the sixties, but it was much later that I learned that the slaves were black."


(Of course, it wouldn't be too surprising if SOME text books - for certain grade levels, anyway - didn't have pictures, back then.)

It reminds me of how, as a kid, I didn't realize that certain fictional Jamaican characters were black, given my lack of knowledge of that country. Namely, the hotel maid in Roald Dahl's "The Boy Who Talked With Animals" and Quarrel in Ian Fleming's "Dr.
No." (I didn't read the book cover to cover.) Quarrel's accent didn't make me assume anything - after all, white people can have very different accents from each other as well.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/jamaica-population

Excerpt:

"Jamaicans of African descent represent 76.3% of the population, followed by 15.1% Afro-European, 3.4% East Indian and Afro-East Indian, 3.2% Caucasian, 1.2% Chinese and 0.8% other."

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On 5/22/22 11:45 AM, Lenona wrote:

You'd think those opposed to CRT would have stopped making a certain claim by now, as referred to in panel 4...

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/05/22

At any rate, here's one comment that really caught my eye.

Mere_Cat about 1 hour ago
"I was taught about slavery and emancipation as a child in the sixties, but it was much later that I learned that the slaves were black."

(Of course, it wouldn't be too surprising if SOME text books - for certain grade levels, anyway - didn't have pictures, back then.)

It reminds me of how, as a kid, I didn't realize that certain fictional Jamaican characters were black, given my lack of knowledge of that country. Namely, the hotel maid in Roald Dahl's "The Boy Who Talked With Animals" and Quarrel in Ian Fleming's "

Dr. No." (I didn't read the book cover to cover.) Quarrel's accent didn't make me assume anything - after all, white people can have very different accents from each other as well.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/jamaica-population

Excerpt:

"Jamaicans of African descent represent 76.3% of the population, followed by 15.1% Afro-European, 3.4% East Indian and Afro-East Indian, 3.2% Caucasian, 1.2% Chinese and 0.8% other."

In the 50s, I knew about slavery and the Civil War (including that
slaves in the US were black), but I knew nothing about Jim Crow until I
was nine, and “Life” covered the goings-on at Little Rock Central High.
I had to ask my mother what the strange words “segregation” and “integration” meant, and when she told me, I was appalled. Why? I asked, hadn’t anyone told the Southern Whites that they were wrong?

(To be fair to myself, I had never lived anywhere but a couple of small
towns in Central Maine.)

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

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On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 6:01:31 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:

On 5/22/22 11:45 AM, Lenona wrote:

You'd think those opposed to CRT would have stopped making a certain claim by now, as referred to in panel 4...

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/05/22

At any rate, here's one comment that really caught my eye.

Mere_Cat about 1 hour ago
"I was taught about slavery and emancipation as a child in the sixties, but it was much later that I learned that the slaves were black."

(Of course, it wouldn't be too surprising if SOME text books - for certain grade levels, anyway - didn't have pictures, back then.)

In the 50s, I knew about slavery and the Civil War (including that
slaves in the US were black), but I knew nothing about Jim Crow until I
was nine, and “Life” covered the goings-on at Little Rock Central High. I had to ask my mother what the strange words “segregation” and “integration” meant, and when she told me, I was appalled. Why? I asked, hadn’t anyone told the Southern Whites that they were wrong?

(To be fair to myself, I had never lived anywhere but a couple of small towns in Central Maine.)

Fascinating, thank you!

To put it another way, Mere_Cat's comment makes sense if it was a pretty short lesson - or a very short chapter in the textbook. It also reminds me of how I was assigned to read Isaac Asimov's "The Fun They Had" at age 8, but even though the "date" -
2155 - gets mentioned in the first paragraph, I still couldn't really grasp the idea of a story that takes place in the future, so I promptly forgot that detail. In the same vein, while Mere_Cat's textbook would almost certainly have included the word "
Negroes," there's still a chance that word could simply have disappeared from memory. Especially if there were no black students in Mere_Cat's class! Also, Mere_Cat's use of the word "child" implies that it was a middle school - or maybe even elementary.

Btw, I found a 1950s history textbook that belonged to two relatives of mine - both raised in Massachusetts. My guess is that it was written for highschoolers, so they would have used it in the 1960s. It has over 700 pages. The title is "History of a
Free People," by Henry W. Bragdon (from Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire) and Samuel P. McCutchen (from NYU). One thing that's interesting is chapter 16's title, "The War Between the States" - the term "Civil War" does not appear in the index.
Also, while slavery gets mentioned multiple times, very few of the pages are consecutive; it doesn't have its own chapter, and I think there's only one illustration of the slaves - in a chapter subsection called "Cotton Culture in the South."

Needless to say, racism as a justification for slavery doesn't get mentioned either. (I know, of course, that black Africans enslaved each other and helped to capture slaves for white slave dealers - but the above point is still pretty damn important.)

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On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 11:45:01 AM UTC-4, Lenona wrote:

You'd think those opposed to CRT would have stopped making a certain claim by now, as referred to in panel 4...

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/05/22

At any rate, here's one comment that really caught my eye.

Mere_Cat about 1 hour ago
"I was taught about slavery and emancipation as a child in the sixties, but it was much later that I learned that the slaves were black."

(Of course, it wouldn't be too surprising if SOME text books - for certain grade levels, anyway - didn't have pictures, back then.)

It reminds me of how, as a kid, I didn't realize that certain fictional Jamaican characters were black, given my lack of knowledge of that country. Namely, the hotel maid in Roald Dahl's "The Boy Who Talked With Animals" and Quarrel in Ian Fleming's "

Dr. No." (I didn't read the book cover to cover.) Quarrel's accent didn't make me assume anything - after all, white people can have very different accents from each other as well.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/jamaica-population

Excerpt:

"Jamaicans of African descent represent 76.3% of the population, followed by 15.1% Afro-European, 3.4% East Indian and Afro-East Indian, 3.2% Caucasian, 1.2% Chinese and 0.8% other."

And here is an illustration from the chapter discussing slavery in a 1960s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

{insert eye roll here}

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On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4, Blinky the Wonder Wombat wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 11:45:01 AM UTC-4, Lenona wrote:

You'd think those opposed to CRT would have stopped making a certain claim by now, as referred to in panel 4...

https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2022/05/22

At any rate, here's one comment that really caught my eye.

Mere_Cat about 1 hour ago
"I was taught about slavery and emancipation as a child in the sixties, but it was much later that I learned that the slaves were black."

(Of course, it wouldn't be too surprising if SOME text books - for certain grade levels, anyway - didn't have pictures, back then.)

It reminds me of how, as a kid, I didn't realize that certain fictional Jamaican characters were black, given my lack of knowledge of that country. Namely, the hotel maid in Roald Dahl's "The Boy Who Talked With Animals" and Quarrel in Ian Fleming's "

Dr. No." (I didn't read the book cover to cover.) Quarrel's accent didn't make me assume anything - after all, white people can have very different accents from each other as well.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/jamaica-population

Excerpt:

"Jamaicans of African descent represent 76.3% of the population, followed by 15.1% Afro-European, 3.4% East Indian and Afro-East Indian, 3.2% Caucasian, 1.2% Chinese and 0.8% other."

And here is an illustration from the chapter discussing slavery in a 1960s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

{insert eye roll here}

Eye roll indeed.

The text makes a big deal out of the (tiny minority) of former slaves 'repatriated' to Liberia.
It doesn't mention that there, they recreated the entire plantation economy of the Old South,
with themselves as masters and the local Africans toiling in the fields.

That system continued from 1820 to 1980.

Pt

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And here's another comment:

sisterea 3 days ago
"This might be funny if it wasn’t true, the children’s writer who wasn’t allowed to read one of his most popular books about a unicorn who hid that he was a unicorn because the horses he was with didn’t like unicorns. They got to know him and
when he revealed he was a unicorn they learned it is okay to be different. That used to be called kindness and acceptance, now some call it indoctrination and grooming. Some by the way are insane"


I looked it up. Here it is (from Ostrander, Ohio):

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-friday-edition-1.6421369/why-this-author-was-told-he-couldn-t-read-his-book-about-a-proud-unicorn-to-kids-1.6421371

The book's synopsis reminded me of Harry Nilsson's stage musical "The Point" about a kid who's surrounded by pointy-headed people and gets banished by an evil count, since the kid - Oblio - is round-headed. I saw it on stage as a kid. It was performed
by kids. There's also a 74-minute cartoon from 1971 - you can see it here. The best-known song is "Me and My Arrow."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Qnd5vnpN0

For some reason, this version is NOT narrated by Ringo Starr, sad to say. (But for all I know, Alan Thicke does a good job too.)

And for those who don't know, there's at least one surprise in the last three minutes you likely won't expect. (And guess who does the voice of Oblio?)

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And here is an illustration from the chapter discussing slavery in a 1960s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/slavery-history-virginia-textbook/2020/07/31/d8571eda-d1f0-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

From the comments at that 2020 WaPo article:

mroberts3:
"I always wondered how southerners could claim, on the one hand, that the slaves all loved their masters and supported the rebellion, while on the other hand saying they couldn't free the slaves because they would all rise up and kill them."

Dennis Rockwell:
"I attended school, grades 1 through 12, in the Wapato school district in the middle of the Yakama Indian Reservation in Washington state. A very agricultural area. Republican then for the most part, fascist now bigly. I joined the army in May of 1967 as
the war was starting to really heat up, just to escape. One of the memories that haunts me to this day is of our fifth grade Mrs. McCoy telling the class the sad, sad story of her family losing their wealth and land because that horrible Mr. Lincoln had
freed all their slaves. I was only 11 years old, but even then I realized I wasn't being told the whole story."

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