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On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:

Melissa mentioned:

Verily, in article <1084m49$cfq6$[email protected]>, did
[email protected]_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?

It's because most people can't write very well.

And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It can’t come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.

What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space. If you ask an AI to write as story, poem, or draw a
picture it will ask you what it should contain and even suggest ideas
for you, so it's perfectly capable of coming up with ideas.

BTW notice how Aggy has shifted the goalposts from creating ideas
(like the idea of Doctor Who) to arranging words to fit ideas
that already exist. Another sign he knows he’s losing.

I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created. Newman reverse engineered it from Doctor
Omega by guiding the writers he hired to come up with ideas that led in
that direction.

My own writing is better than an AI's writing. So is yours, for that
matter.

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the Cybermen’ is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not just DW fanfic. All
fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’ look good. I’m not exaggerating.

Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years, by it's
quality, coherence, characters, characterisation, plot, and story
telling. It contains two strong feminine female characters as
companions, a mature masculine Doctor that doesn't bully or harass
others, a military which consists of men who act and behave like men and
are not totally incompetent, and villains which don't come out of a
Loony Tunes or Merry Melodies cartoon.

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The main
plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen instead. The

And what exactly is wrong with Destiny of the Daleks?

Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced by
two generic bimbos, and Douglas Adams’s wit and humour is

Romana was not a bimbo and neither are the companions I created who I
based on real women. Women who I actually know. They were also based on sketches by Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders, and I even subsequently
rewrote one of the scenes on the manner of French and Saunders to prove
it. So add them to my influences.

I even predicted the character that Matt Smith would play when he became
the Doctor before he was even cast, since that is how I imagined him, a
cross between Sid James and David Tennant.

replaced by crude sex jokes.

There is nothing crude about the humour I used. It was infinity superior
to the disgusting sexual harassment that RTD inserted into The Well
where he bullies people who won't accept his authority instead of
proving himself, attacks and demeans them by calling them babes and hun
when he doubles down on his sexual harassment, and even sexually
harasses his companion and her mum by saying he wants to whistle at
Belinda's mothers arse and make her sing as if she were a trumpet.

If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.

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solar penguin wrote:

The True loon blah blah something beginning with L that I
can’t even be bothered to think up:

What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of
Tom Baker the writers were even given the title the
episode had to be called and had to come up with ideas
based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or The Ark
in Space.

Well, ‘Revenge…’ was originally to be called ‘Return of the Cybermen’. But let’s ignore that for now.

Which Big Finish did an adaptation of for their "Lost Stories"
range of audios.

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solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the Cybermen’
is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’ look good. I’m
not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

The Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced
by two generic bimbos, and Douglas Adams’s wit and humour
is replaced by crude sex jokes.

Bimbos and crude sex jokes?! Scandalous.

<goes away to re-read AGA's story as clearly I forgot the most
important bits!>

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solar penguin wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the
Cybermen’ is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not
just DW fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’
look good. I’m not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. I’ll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist it’s the worst I’ve read.

I can't remember all the titles of the ones I thought were
shit but on fictionhunt.com using filter boxes "Fanfic" and
Doctor Who in the "fandom" box would bring up thousands of
Doctor Who stories, there are some good ones there, there are
some bad ones there... and there are some very bad ones!

AGA's "Planet of the Cybermen" wouldn't be anywhere near the
bottom five thousand!!!

IMHO of course... :-)

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results aren’t always
good. (See ‘Silver Nemesis’ for another example.)

NOBODY should ever change a Dalek story to a Cyberman story!
Ever!

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In article <[email protected]>,
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the Cybermen’
is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’ look good. I’m
not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

The Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced
by two generic bimbos, and Douglas Adams’s wit and humour
is replaced by crude sex jokes.

Bimbos and crude sex jokes?! Scandalous.

<goes away to re-read AGA's story as clearly I forgot the most
important bits!>

Oh! No!!
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In article <[email protected]>,
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

solar penguin wrote:

The True loon blah blah something beginning with L that I
can’t even be bothered to think up:

What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of
Tom Baker the writers were even given the title the
episode had to be called and had to come up with ideas
based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or The Ark
in Space.

Well, ‘Revenge…’ was originally to be called ‘Return of the
Cybermen’. But let’s ignore that for now.

Which Big Finish did an adaptation of for their "Lost Stories"
range of audios.

Must chack on availability.
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In article <1086tvv$t3j4$[email protected]>,
solar penguin <[email protected]> wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the Cybermen’
is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’ look good. I’m
not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. I’ll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist it’s the worst I’ve read.

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results aren’t always
good. (See ‘Silver Nemesis’ for another example.)

Silver Nemesis workd for me.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

solar penguin wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the
Cybermen’ is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not
just DW fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’
look good. I’m not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. I’ll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist it’s the worst I’ve read.

I can't remember all the titles of the ones I thought were
shit but on fictionhunt.com using filter boxes "Fanfic" and
Doctor Who in the "fandom" box would bring up thousands of
Doctor Who stories, there are some good ones there, there are
some bad ones there... and there are some very bad ones!

AGA's "Planet of the Cybermen" wouldn't be anywhere near the
bottom five thousand!!!

IMHO of course... :-)

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results aren’t always
good. (See ‘Silver Nemesis’ for another example.)

NOBODY should ever change a Dalek story to a Cyberman story!
Ever!

Daleks vs Cybermen works for me.
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On 21/08/2025 07:52, solar imbecile wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:

On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:

And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It can’t come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.

What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.

Well, ‘Revenge…’ was originally to be called ‘Return of the Cybermen’. But let’s ignore that for now.

We were supposed to be discussing who created Doctor Who,
not who created some Tom Baker era episode titles.

There is a difference!

No there isn't. You've completely lost the argument which is one about
literary influences, so you're refusing to discuss it any further.
You're a total moron that refuses to consider anything other that
challenges your preconceptions.

I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created.

So you can remember that when it suits you? Good!

Then stop changing the subject to AI or Ed Sheeran or Tom
Baker’s story titles!

You are the one changing the subject and refusing to discuss any of the
related issues because you've already lost.

To determine who created Doctor Who we need to look at the
minutes and memos and other paperwork regarding its creation.
That’s all.

We already know who created Doctor Who. Sydney Newman.

And the paperwork just plain doesn’t support your version of events.

Wrong. The paperwork all points in the direction of Doctor Omega as
being one of the main literary influences of Doctor Who. It can all be summarised as stories about "a mad man in a box".

You are too stupid and narrow minded to understand how literature is
developed. It isn't pulled out of thin air from nothing. It is based on everything that has come before it, either directly or indirectly,
unless you're an insane moron who comes up with incoherent shit
generated at random, defying all the rules of good writing, like the
crap coming from Chibnall and Davies.

Sydney Newman didn't decide to reinvent the wheel by coming up with the
genera of science fiction. Science fiction was already there and Newman
used what was already there to create Doctor Who.

A True Story by Lucian > From Earth to the Moon and Round the Moon by
Jules Verne > The First Men in the Moon + The Time Machine + The War of
the Worlds by H G Wells > Doctor Omega by Arnould Galopin > The Skylark
of Space by E E Smith + Armageddon 2419 AD by Philip Francis Nowlan
(both published on the same day in the same magazine) > Flash Gordon by
Alex Raymond > numerous derivative works including Doctor Who

George Lucas didn't create Star Wars out of nothing either. Or are going
to deny that he based it on The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa,
despite there being more in common between Doctor Who and Doctor Omega
than there is between Star Wars and The Hidden Fortress?

Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years,

Don’t waste your time lying to me. I’ve read it. I know the truth.

You know nothing.

If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.

OK.

( *thinks* )

It hasn’t changed. It’s still bad.

Not compared to the pile of garbage written by RTD over the last 3
years. Compared to that Planet of the Cybermen would win a Pulitzer Prize.

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On 21/08/2025 11:55, solar imbecile wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of Aggy’s fiction? ‘Planet of the Cybermen’
is possibly the worst fanfic I’ve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes ‘My Immortal’ look good. I’m
not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. I’ll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist it’s the worst I’ve read.

And true to his philosophy, it’s mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is ‘Destiny of the Daleks’ but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results aren’t always
good. (See ‘Silver Nemesis’ for another example.)

I didn't rewrite Destiny of the Daleks. I took the basic premise of
Daleks fighting Movelans and reinterpreted it as Cybermen fighting
Clones with barely any other elements of that story such as the rescue
of Davros, computers and Daleks that only work based on logic leading to stalemate, and rock, paper, scissors, being depicted. You could at least
give me credit for copying Attack of the Clones by George Lucas which
did exactly the same thing with Robots fighting Clones. But you don't
have the faintest clue about how literature is written or what it's
based on because you refuse to learn anything that contradicts your
existing preconceptions.

Turning Cybermen into Daleks was a bad idea, but it wasn't my bad idea.
Doctor Who had already made them indistinguishable since at least
Revelation of the Daleks. In the new series there's no difference
whatsoever between them at all with Davros being turned into Lumic.

I did a better job in Realm of Warcraft/Onset of the Cybermen/Onslaught
of the Cybermen by taking the concept of the Cybermen back to it's
original roots of humans voluntarily enhancing their bodies and
replacing broken down parts in order to gain supremacy. The Cyberman are Communists who want to make everyone exactly like them, the more that
volunteer for it the better. The Daleks on the other hand are Fascists,
Nazis, and racists and believe they are already superior and will never
allow anyone who does not share the same DNA as them to be like them. Revelation of the Daleks totally fucked that up and turned the Daleks
into Cybermen.

The Daleks and Davros were primerily based on Synthetic Men of Mars by
Edgar Rice Burroughs. Thus the next step in their evolution, based on
the original source material, is for them to return to humanoid form
again, not to turn humans into Daleks and become more mechanical and
thus devoid of feelings and emotions which is what Cybermen do. And of
course turning Daleks into computers in Destiny of the Daleks was
another fuck up. They're supposed to be Nazis not Allen Turing. It's no
wonder Terry Nation got John Peel to erase Destiny and everything after
it from canon.

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