Although he's known for 'misdirection' and out-right lying, this could
be proof RTD has no real idea what he's doing.
Doctor Who? RTD Has "No Idea" if Billie Piper is Next Doctor
------------------------------------------------------------
Doctor Who showrunner Russell T Davies has said he has "no idea"
whether Billie Piper is the next Doctor.
Despite the Series 15 finale appearing to show Gatwa
regenerating into Piper, her role was uncredited, and remains
unacknowledged in any official press release.
During a recent interview with Your Manchester, when asked
directly on Piper's role, Davies simply shrugged, "I have no
idea."
The interviewer followed up by suggesting, "She'd make a very
good Doctor though, wouldn't she?", to which Davies replied,
"That's clever... you should work in PR."
In the past, such a comment might have been dismissed as typical
RTD misdirection. But in 2025, amid increasing uncertainty over
Doctor Who's future, it carries greater weight.
If Davies genuinely has no idea what Piper's appearance means,
the more pressing question is why such a pivotal moment was
included at all without a clear path forward for the show.
The BBC has yet to confirm a new season following Series 15,
which concluded on 31 May 2025. No cast announcements or
production updates have been released.
Meanwhile, multiple reports suggest Disney is withdrawing its
co-production role, raising questions about the show's long-term
funding and global distribution model.
<https://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/rtd-dodges-billie-piper-doctor-who-105847.htm>
Although he's known for 'misdirection' and out-right lying,
this could be proof RTD has no real idea what he's doing.
Your Name wrote:
Although he's known for 'misdirection' and out-right lying,
this could be proof RTD has no real idea what he's doing.
On reflection I don't think he does. It's like a band going in
to the studio and re-recording their greatest hits... that's all
RTD has done since he returned to the show in 2023.
I did enjoy some episodes of S1 and S2 but the season endings
left a sour taste in my mouth, especially the Billie Piper
thing. After all the big build up Omega is destroyed in two
minutes, no explanation is given for a lot of things, and stuff
is there because it's there. What's mavity all about then if
you're not going to explain it in two years? I wouldn't blame
the Disney executives if they were wondering what the fuck is
going on and wanted more creative control. RTD needed to be
reined-in. The best Ncuti Gatwa era story was actually written
by Steven Moffat.
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck the
fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy cause
into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who should be
about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your messaging
wrapped inside a good story if you have to show how trendy and
right-on you are... but start with the story, not the message.
RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall flat. His ego is
destroying the thing he created.
As mentioned here before, my three children have all stopped
watching Doctor Who in the past two years, so clearly what RTD
thinks the younger generation wants is not what they actually do
want... or they wouldn't be walking away from a show that's been
on in this house - in some form or another - their whole life.
It might only be a small sample size but if you multiply those
three ex-viewers by households that would normally be watching
Doctor Who you can see where the audience is going.
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did >[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck the
fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy cause
into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who should be
about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your messaging
wrapped inside a good story if you have to show how trendy and
right-on you are... but start with the story, not the message.
RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall flat. His ego is
destroying the thing he created.
IMO, this is what he always wanted the show to be like. He didn't want
to revive Doctor Who; he wanted a gay, sex-soaked reboot of Doctor Who.
At the time the BBC wouldn't let him, so he created Captain Jack
Harkness as a *different* guy banging his way across time and space.
Now, the show has aged and is fading. The BBC's willing to let RTD do
his thing as a desperation move to juice it along a little more.
If they cancelled it gracefully, they might be able to revive it again
in another twenty years. If this goes on too long, though, then the
whole show could become a permament laughingstock.
--
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul.
--George Bernard Shaw
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck
the fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy
cause into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who
should be about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your
messaging wrapped inside a good story if you have to show
how trendy and right-on you are... but start with the story,
not the message. RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall
flat. His ego is destroying the thing he created.
IMO, this is what he always wanted the show to be like. He
didn't want to revive Doctor Who; he wanted a gay, sex-soaked
reboot of Doctor Who. At the time the BBC wouldn't let him,
so he created Captain Jack Harkness as a different guy banging
his way across time and space.
Now, the show has aged and is fading. The BBC's willing to let
RTD do his thing as a desperation move to juice it along a
little more.
If they cancelled it gracefully, they might be able to revive
it again in another twenty years. If this goes on too long,
though, then the whole show could become a permament
laughingstock.
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck the
fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy cause
into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who should be
about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your messaging
wrapped inside a good story if you have to show how trendy and
right-on you are... but start with the story, not the message.
RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall flat. His ego is
destroying the thing he created.
IMO, this is what he always wanted the show to be like. He didn't want
to revive Doctor Who; he wanted a gay, sex-soaked reboot of Doctor Who.
At the time the BBC wouldn't let him, so he created Captain Jack
Harkness as a *different* guy banging his way across time and space.
Now, the show has aged and is fading. The BBC's willing to let RTD do
his thing as a desperation move to juice it along a little more.
If they cancelled it gracefully, they might be able to revive it again
in another twenty years. If this goes on too long, though, then the
whole show could become a permament laughingstock.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck
the fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy
cause into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who
should be about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your
messaging wrapped inside a good story if you have to show
how trendy and right-on you are... but start with the story,
not the message. RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall
flat. His ego is destroying the thing he created.
IMO, this is what he always wanted the show to be like. He
didn't want to revive Doctor Who; he wanted a gay, sex-soaked
reboot of Doctor Who. At the time the BBC wouldn't let him,
so he created Captain Jack Harkness as a different guy banging
his way across time and space.
If RTD wanted a gay sex-soaked reboot, he should have just gone
away and written a new show about a gay sex-soaked alien visitor
to Earth. Without the baggage of "Doctor Who" and its eras past,
that new show might have worked and been a big hit on Channel 4.
Now, the show has aged and is fading. The BBC's willing to let
RTD do his thing as a desperation move to juice it along a
little more.
If they cancelled it gracefully, they might be able to revive
it again in another twenty years. If this goes on too long,
though, then the whole show could become a permament
laughingstock.
I'd rather the BBC didn't cancel Doctor Who. My preferred option
would be the show carries on, I can then choose not to watch it
if my enjoyability level goes downhill enough and "Doctor Who"
is just throwback gimmicks and in-your-face messaging to the
detriment of its entertainment value.
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty in
two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can live
with that. I always hope for the best... but these days, I
expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor Who" live
on...
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did >[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
If RTD wanted a gay sex-soaked reboot, he should have just gone
away and written a new show about a gay sex-soaked alien visitor
to Earth. Without the baggage of "Doctor Who" and its eras past,
that new show might have worked and been a big hit on Channel 4.
He did. It was called Torchwood. That was kind of my point. :)
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty in
two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can live
with that. I always hope for the best... but these days, I
expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor Who" live
on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like audiences are >wandering off.
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up like
Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even when it stinks
and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when some new people rotate
in. I can dream, anyway.
--
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always
depend on the support of Paul.
--George Bernard Shaw
On 2025-07-06 14:04:58 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I think RTD is just an out of touch old Queen doing what he
wants to do because it's jolly good fun in his mind and fuck the
fans if they don't like it. So let's insert every trendy cause
into episodes because that's what he thinks Doctor Who should be
about in 2025, a political bandwagon. Have your messaging
wrapped inside a good story if you have to show how trendy and
right-on you are... but start with the story, not the message.
RTD is all about big ideas, that then fall flat. His ego is
destroying the thing he created.
IMO, this is what he always wanted the show to be like. He didn't want
to revive Doctor Who; he wanted a gay, sex-soaked reboot of Doctor Who.
At the time the BBC wouldn't let him, so he created Captain Jack
Harkness as a *different* guy banging his way across time and space.
Now, the show has aged and is fading. The BBC's willing to let RTD do
his thing as a desperation move to juice it along a little more.
If they cancelled it gracefully, they might be able to revive it again
in another twenty years. If this goes on too long, though, then the
whole show could become a permament laughingstock.
It passed "permanent launghing stock" long ago the The Mistress idiocy.
It is well into "dismal garbage" now.
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty
in two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can
live with that. I always hope for the best... but these
days, I expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor
Who" live on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like
audiences are wandering off.
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up
like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even
when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when
some new people rotate in. I can dream, anyway.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty
in two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can
live with that. I always hope for the best... but these
days, I expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor
Who" live on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like
audiences are wandering off.
They are. As mentioned, I have seen this first hand.
There are too many alternatives now. In 1963 you watched BBC1
or listened to the radio... and the programmes were on at a set
time. Now, you can choose what you want to watch, at what time,
and on what service...
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up
like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even
when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when
some new people rotate in. I can dream, anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe forever
is a bit too optimistic.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty
in two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can
live with that. I always hope for the best... but these
days, I expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor
Who" live on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like
audiences are wandering off.
They are. As mentioned, I have seen this first hand.
There are too many alternatives now. In 1963 you watched BBC1
or listened to the radio... and the programmes were on at a set
time. Now, you can choose what you want to watch, at what time,
and on what service...
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up
like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even
when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when
some new people rotate in. I can dream, anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe forever
is a bit too optimistic.
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty
in two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can
live with that. I always hope for the best... but these
days, I expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor
Who" live on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like
audiences are wandering off.
They are. As mentioned, I have seen this first hand.
There are too many alternatives now. In 1963 you watched BBC1
or listened to the radio... and the programmes were on at a set
time. Now, you can choose what you want to watch, at what time,
and on what service...
It also used to be free (except for a TV license), but now they stupily
expect people to pay hundreds of dollars a month to sign up to
numerous different streaming services to watch a couple of "exclusive"
shows on each one. It's a ridiculous idea that has already failed for
quite a few services as well as constant price increases.
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up
like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even
when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when
some new people rotate in. I can dream, anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe forever
is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time, although the method of broadcast
will likely change over to internet-only eventually. That in itself is
rather silly, since during an emergency the internet can easily go
down, whereas a signal broadcast from further out will still work. (The
same happens with stupid home phone via the internet - if the internet
goes down, you can't call the help desk because your phone has gone
with it!)
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:my phone works if the net goes down
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
I would never stop others from enjoying the show. I'm sixty
in two weeks time, if Doctor Who in 2025+ ain't for me I can
live with that. I always hope for the best... but these
days, I expect the worst. But I always want to see "Doctor
Who" live on...
I don't want to stop anyone either, but it sure looks like
audiences are wandering off.
They are. As mentioned, I have seen this first hand.
There are too many alternatives now. In 1963 you watched BBC1
or listened to the radio... and the programmes were on at a set
time. Now, you can choose what you want to watch, at what time,
and on what service...
It also used to be free (except for a TV license), but now they stupily
expect people to pay hundreds of dollars a month to sign up to numerous
different streaming services to watch a couple of "exclusive" shows on
each one. It's a ridiculous idea that has already failed for quite a few
services as well as constant price increases.
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could end up
like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow renewed even
when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow recovering when
some new people rotate in. I can dream, anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe forever
is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time, although the method of broadcast will
likely change over to internet-only eventually. That in itself is rather
silly, since during an emergency the internet can easily go down,
whereas a signal broadcast from further out will still work. (The same
happens with stupid home phone via the internet - if the internet goes
down, you can't call the help desk because your phone has gone with it!)
Werner Pichler wrote:
Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
On 05.07.2025 22:18, Mark wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
Let’s vote on a Top 6 from the remaining teams.
Looking forward to it!
Ciao,
Werner
Are you serious or are you just messing me around?
Both.
Well please don't mess me around.
Why not? It’s just a pointless list in a venerable but
half-forgotten corner of the internet.
It's not pointless. It would be a fun, interesting and informative
discussion if you and Blueshirt didn't spoil it.
The whole point of the thread was to compile a list that nobody
strongly disagrees with. If there's a team in it that someone
strongly disagrees with, then we won't achieve that. If the vote
produces a list that includes a team that has been strongly
disagreed with then the vote is a waste of time. So it's pointless
including those teams in the vote.
Actually, in that case it’s pointless having a list.
Your whole methodology is flawed.
And yet nobody has come up with a better way. If anybody does, they're
free to start their own thread.
What have you got against a list that nobody strongly disagrees
with?
I’ve told you before, I strongly disagree with the
dishonest way you’ve been conducting this, and
I’m not the only one.
It's not dishonest. I've been open and fair right from the start.
Anyway they're not my 2 options.
Yes, it is. Option B. No list. I’ll veto everything.
Then why should I take you seriously? The evidence suggests you're just messing me around and don't really strongly disagree with those teams.
Please will you stop messing me around and let me know whether you
really do strongly disagree with the teams you've said you strongly
disagree with?
1 of my other options is to stop being lenient with the deadlines and
dismiss your strong disagreement. As I want this to be as accurate a representation of the views of rssers as possible (and that desire
seems to be what you're counting on for your messing me around to
work), I'd prefer not to be too strict with deadlines though. If I
decide that that's my best option, I'm willing to settle for the list
we've already got though.
I'm not applying my veto on the teams I dislike anymore than
Futbolmetrix was applying his veto on a team he dislikes when he
strongly disagreed with the inclusion of Inter. If Michael is MH he
already has 'applied his veto' on Bayern Munchen. I've accepted 3
teams that I think are among the top 10 best teams ever not being
included. There's nothing unreasonable about expecting other
people to accept 1 team that they think should be included not
being included. I've treated everyone fairly.
It's not as if I deliberately designed it so that I could exclude
teams that I personally strongly disagree with. I had as little
idea that this is the way things would turn out as everyone else
did.
Yes you did, and from the beginning. You were
adamant about no English teams and haven’t moved
an inch despite strong disagreement on every side.
No I didn't. I've never said anything suggesting English teams weren't allowed. Blueshirt may have said that, I've never even hinted at that ridiculous bias.
So fair’s fair. I’ll do the same for the South American
teams except Santos.
After all, Liberum Veto already destroyed the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth, it won't stop short of your paltry list.
What's Liberum Veto?
Look it up in Wikipedia. It's a very good web-site.
For clarification for everyone else: Independiente, Penarol and Boca
Juniors are all still available for nomination until further notice,
just in case anyone was unsure whether to nominate them or not.
Hopefully we can resolve this amicably.
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could
end up like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow
renewed even when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow
recovering when some new people rotate in. I can dream,
anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe
forever is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time,
THAT'S GOOD: I VOTE FOR MANCHESTER UNITED THEN.
[Snip]
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE 'MANCHESTER UNITED FC' FOR
INCLUSION, THAT'S THE SIR ALEX FERGUSON ERA OF MULTIPLE
LEAGUE TITLES (13) FA CUPS (6) EUROPEAN CUPS (2) AND
INTER-CONTINENTAL/CLUB WORLD CUPS. (2)
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could
end up like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow
renewed even when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow
recovering when some new people rotate in. I can dream,
anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe
forever is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time,
TV itself might... but no TV show has a god-given right to go
on forever.
The shows that last for decades are obviously the most popular
but even then there's the law of diminishing returns. Eventually
a show reaches the end of its natural shelf life, after that
you're basically just flogging a dead horse.
I'm not saying "Doctor Who" has reached that point. I'm just
making the observation that maybe with everything that's going
on in the competitive world of the entertainment industry, some
television shows get as far they can but can get no further. So
we can't expect our favourite show to 'always' be around or
outlive us.
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could
end up like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow
renewed even when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow
recovering when some new people rotate in. I can dream,
anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe
forever is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time,
TV itself might... but no TV show has a god-given right to go
on forever. The shows that last for decades are obviously the
most popular but even then there's the law of diminishing
returns. Eventually a show reaches the end of its natural shelf
life, after that you're basically just flogging a dead horse.
I'm not saying "Doctor Who" has reached that point. I'm just
making the observation that maybe with everything that's going
on in the competitive world of the entertainment industry, some
television shows get as far they can but can get no further. So
we can't expect our favourite show to 'always' be around or
outlive us.
Theory11 wrote:
THAT'S GOOD: I VOTE FOR MANCHESTER UNITED THEN.
[Snip]
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE 'MANCHESTER UNITED FC' FOR
INCLUSION, THAT'S THE SIR ALEX FERGUSON ERA OF MULTIPLE
LEAGUE TITLES (13) FA CUPS (6) EUROPEAN CUPS (2) AND
INTER-CONTINENTAL/CLUB WORLD CUPS. (2)
Aaaarghhh... I take a day off and we're invaded by Man Utd
fans spilling over from the soccer group...
On 2025-07-08 17:23:42 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
On 2025-07-07 10:43:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
I'd like the show to go on forever, too. Maybe it could
end up like Saturday Night Live or The Simpsons, somehow
renewed even when it stinks and nobody's watching, somehow
recovering when some new people rotate in. I can dream,
anyway.
I suppose every TV show has a natural life span... maybe
forever is a bit too optimistic.
TV will be around for a long time,
TV itself might... but no TV show has a god-given right to go
on forever.
Tell that to the makers of "The Simpsons". ;-)
The shows that last for decades are obviously the most popular
but even then there's the law of diminishing returns. Eventually
a show reaches the end of its natural shelf life, after that
you're basically just flogging a dead horse.
Tell that to the makers of "The Simpsons". ;-)
"Flogging a dead horse" is pretty much how the American TV industry
works, hence the 1500th season of "The Simpsons", and the 99th
spin-offs of "NCIS" and "Law & Order".
I'm not saying "Doctor Who" has reached that point. I'm just
making the observation that maybe with everything that's going
on in the competitive world of the entertainment industry, some
television shows get as far they can but can get no further. So
we can't expect our favourite show to 'always' be around or
outlive us.
The problem is that these days the morons in charge then try to bring
the shows back, which is almost never successful, whether it's an
idiotic "reboot", "remake, or a sequel / prequel series.
Theory11 wrote:
THAT'S GOOD: I VOTE FOR MANCHESTER UNITED THEN.
[Snip]
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE 'MANCHESTER UNITED FC' FOR
INCLUSION, THAT'S THE SIR ALEX FERGUSON ERA OF MULTIPLE
LEAGUE TITLES (13) FA CUPS (6) EUROPEAN CUPS (2) AND
INTER-CONTINENTAL/CLUB WORLD CUPS. (2)
Aaaarghhh... I take a day off and we're invaded by Man Utd
fans spilling over from the soccer group...
On 9/07/2025 3:23 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Theory11 wrote:WHAT?? YOU took a day off?? Really??
THAT'S GOOD: I VOTE FOR MANCHESTER UNITED THEN.
[Snip]
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE 'MANCHESTER UNITED FC' FOR
INCLUSION, THAT'S THE SIR ALEX FERGUSON ERA OF MULTIPLE
LEAGUE TITLES (13) FA CUPS (6) EUROPEAN CUPS (2) AND
INTER-CONTINENTAL/CLUB WORLD CUPS. (2)
Aaaarghhh... I take a day off and we're invaded by Man Utd
fans spilling over from the soccer group...
--
Daniel70
On 9/07/2025 3:23 am, Blueshirt wrote:
WHAT?? YOU took a day off?? Really??
Daniel70 wrote:
On 9/07/2025 3:23 am, Blueshirt wrote:
WHAT?? YOU took a day off?? Really??
Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very few
posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
Seven posts to read in two days. It's great.
There's very little entertainment here now, that's the
only thing.
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very
few posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
*waves hello*
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did >[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very few
posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
*waves hello*
--
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Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
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Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very
few posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
*waves hello*
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
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<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably
my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
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LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably >>> my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
1 4 and 10/REal 13 for me.
You like One, eh? That era confused me a little when I first saw it,
when I was a kid. Everyone kept referring to Susan as a child and
treating her like one, but she was clearly a grown woman. As an adult, I figure this is Dawson's Creek casting and we're expected to take the character as younger than the actress, but I didn't get that as a kid.
For me, the show ended with Twelve. I don't even know what this current
show is, but it doesn't seem much like Doctor Who.
Verily, in article <104onep$1fg7$[email protected]>, did >[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably1 4 and 10/REal 13 for me.
my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
You like One, eh? That era confused me a little when I first saw it,
when I was a kid. Everyone kept referring to Susan as a child and
treating her like one, but she was clearly a grown woman. As an adult, I >figure this is Dawson's Creek casting and we're expected to take the >character as younger than the actress, but I didn't get that as a kid.
For me, the show ended with Twelve. I don't even know what this current
show is, but it doesn't seem much like Doctor Who.
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On 2025-07-10 16:25:10 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <104onep$1fg7$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably >>>> my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
1 4 and 10/REal 13 for me.
You like One, eh? That era confused me a little when I first saw it,
when I was a kid. Everyone kept referring to Susan as a child and
treating her like one, but she was clearly a grown woman. As an adult, I
figure this is Dawson's Creek casting and we're expected to take the
character as younger than the actress, but I didn't get that as a kid.
For me, the show ended with Twelve. I don't even know what this current
show is, but it doesn't seem much like Doctor Who.
In the original episodes, Susan was enrolled as a student at a local
school, so she would have been high school age (like Dawson's Creek, >Smallville, Beverly Hills 90210, etc.).
Verily, in article <104pa32$125qt$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
In the original episodes, Susan was enrolled as a student at a local
school, so she would have been high school age (like Dawson's Creek,
Smallville, Beverly Hills 90210, etc.).
Yeah, I did get that after a bit, thanks. It just didn't make visual
sense.
I was about 14, and it was flamingly obvious to me that she was
significantly older than I was. I wondered if Time Lords had a different
life cycle.
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Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
On 11.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
His favorite Doctor is Three.
Mine is Ten/Fourteen, followed by Three.
Least favorite is eleven (he doesn't get a capital letter number). I'm >waiting for AI to replace every instance of Stupidface with someone like >Benedict Cumberbatch. Then those seasons might be enjoyable.
(Rather than initially spoiling my absolute favorite show into being >unwatcheable, for years, until someone convinced me to watch the first >episode of Twelve. He was ok.)
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Daniel70 wrote:
On 9/07/2025 3:23 am, Blueshirt wrote:
WHAT?? YOU took a day off?? Really??
Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very few
posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
Seven posts to read in two days. It's fucking great.
There's very little entertainment here now, that's the
only thing.
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably
my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
On 11.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
His favorite Doctor is Three.
Mine is Ten/Fourteen, followed by Three.
Least favorite is eleven (he doesn't get a capital letter number). I'm waiting for AI to replace every instance of Stupidface with someone like Benedict Cumberbatch. Then those seasons might be enjoyable.
(Rather than initially spoiling my absolute favorite show into being unwatcheable, for years, until someone convinced me to watch the first episode of Twelve. He was ok.)
On 10/07/2025 11:31 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:Gee Whiz!! Seven!! You'll have read all them WELL before finishing your
On 9/07/2025 3:23 am, Blueshirt wrote:
WHAT?? YOU took a day off?? Really??
Yep, really!
I don't have to check-in here every day now as there's very few
posts to actually see.
Today, since my last post here there's your four and one each
from Horny, Your Name and Nomen. Total = seven posts.
Seven posts to read in two days. It's great.
There's very little entertainment here now, that's the
only thing.
cup of tea!
Oh! And that 'Seven' was over two days!!
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Daniel70
On 11/07/2025 1:31 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, didNine was good as he brought "Doctor Who" back onto our screens. Would
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are probably
my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
have been better if he had lasted a bit longer.
Four, I think, would appear in just about every (senior) fans top three.
Ten was good. Even better for him to get a second incarnation .... and,
now, possibly, a third!
I only caught a bit of Three (and Bessie, of course) but he seemed O.K.
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On 11/07/2025 3:52 pm, Mickmane wrote:
On 11.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:(Not having seen DisneyWho, I can't really comment on him ....) but, for
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
His favorite Doctor is Three.
Mine is Ten/Fourteen, followed by Three.
Least favorite is eleven (he doesn't get a capital letter number). I'm
waiting for AI to replace every instance of Stupidface with someone like
Benedict Cumberbatch. Then those seasons might be enjoyable.
(Rather than initially spoiling my absolute favorite show into being
unwatcheable, for years, until someone convinced me to watch the first
episode of Twelve. He was ok.)
me, Twelve would have to be at the bottom of a NewWho Doctors list. Near
the bottom all time.
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Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two
on that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
On 11/07/2025 1:31 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Nine was good as he brought "Doctor Who" back onto our
screens. Would have been better if he had lasted a bit
longer.
Four, I think, would appear in just about every (senior) fans
top three.
Ten was good. Even better for him to get a second incarnation
.... and, now, possibly, a third!
I only caught a bit of Three (and Bessie, of course) but he
seemed O.K.
On 11.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
His favorite Doctor is Three.
Mine is Ten/Fourteen, followed by Three.
Least favorite is eleven (he doesn't get a capital letter number). I'm waiting for AI to replace every instance of Stupidface with someone like Benedict Cumberbatch. Then those seasons might be enjoyable.
(Rather than initially spoiling my absolute favorite show into being unwatcheable, for years, until someone convinced me to watch the first episode of Twelve. He was ok.)
Verily, in article <104pa32$125qt$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
In the original episodes, Susan was enrolled as a student at a local
school, so she would have been high school age (like Dawson's Creek,
Smallville, Beverly Hills 90210, etc.).
Yeah, I did get that after a bit, thanks. It just didn't make visual
sense.
I was about 14, and it was flamingly obvious to me that she was
significantly older than I was. I wondered if Time Lords had a different
life cycle.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two
on that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
Daniel70 wrote:
On 11/07/2025 1:31 am, Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Nine was good as he brought "Doctor Who" back onto our
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
screens. Would have been better if he had lasted a bit
longer.
Nine was very good. Yes, it's a pity we only got the one season.
Four, I think, would appear in just about every (senior) fans
top three.
Anyone who doesn't like Tom Baker's Doctor isn't a "Doctor Who"
fan. Some of those Fourth Doctor stories are the best in the
show's history. For me, they define "Doctor Who" and what it
should be about.
Ten was good. Even better for him to get a second incarnation
.... and, now, possibly, a third!
Popular among the masses, but just because he didn't want to go,
he still should have stayed gone!
I only caught a bit of Three (and Bessie, of course) but he
seemed O.K.
The 3rd Doctor is where "Doctor Who" started for me, so he's my
Doctor and I could watch his episodes all day long... Four isn't
far behind as he was also my Doctor.
Modern "Doctor Who", even when I enjoy the episodes, still
hasn't got to the repeat watch-ability stage for me of the
classic era... these days two viewings and I am done, often
never to want to watch those episodes again.
Verily, in article <104pt3q$199n$[email protected]>, did >[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
A long time fan?
Yeah. I started watching in my early teens, back in the 80s, via PBS
reruns.
When did you discover it?
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On 7/11/2025 00:52, Mickmane wrote:
On 11.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two on
that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine are
probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
His favorite Doctor is Three.
Mine is Ten/Fourteen, followed by Three.
Least favorite is eleven (he doesn't get a capital letter number). I'm
waiting for AI to replace every instance of Stupidface with someone like
Benedict Cumberbatch. Then those seasons might be enjoyable.
(Rather than initially spoiling my absolute favorite show into being
unwatcheable, for years, until someone convinced me to watch the first
episode of Twelve. He was ok.)
Three and Four here...in that order.
--
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--Carl Sagan
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
<waves back>
We need to turn the entertainment level up a notch or two
on that though! ;-)
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
My favourites are the three Ts: Tom, Troughton and Tennant (in
that order), with the two Peters not far behind.
McCoy and Pertwee (and possibly Gatwa now) are down in
last place, because their eras just don’t feel like proper Doctor
Who (although for very different reasons.)
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On 2025-07-10 23:27:54 +0000, Melissa Hollingsworth said:
Verily, in article <104pa32$125qt$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
In the original episodes, Susan was enrolled as a student at a local
school, so she would have been high school age (like Dawson's Creek,
Smallville, Beverly Hills 90210, etc.).
Yeah, I did get that after a bit, thanks. It just didn't make visual
sense.
I was about 14, and it was flamingly obvious to me that she was
significantly older than I was. I wondered if Time Lords had a different
life cycle.
Yep.
"Playing the granddaughter of the Doctor, she was one of the
first companions to appear in the show in 1963; although
Ford was twenty-three at the time, Susan was depicted as
being fifteen."
<https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Carole_Ann_Ford>
Having older actors playing younger roles is often done to get around
the limitations and laws for child working hours, time off required for >education, filming of more adult scenes (even things like simply
kissing), etc.
Verily, in article <104s4n1$1o6hd$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Having older actors playing younger roles is often done to get around
the limitations and laws for child working hours, time off required for
education, filming of more adult scenes (even things like simply
kissing), etc.
Dude, come on. I knew that. I was just sharing a childhood memory.
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie Piper as the >Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
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Verily, in article <104s4n1$1o6hd$[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Having older actors playing younger roles is often done to get around
the limitations and laws for child working hours, time off required for
education, filming of more adult scenes (even things like simply
kissing), etc.
Dude, come on. I knew that. I was just sharing a childhood memory.
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute
best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths
behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
My favourites are the three Ts: Tom, Troughton and Tennant
(in that order), with the two Peters not far behind.
McCoy and Pertwee (and possibly Gatwa now) are down in
last place, because their eras just don’t feel like proper
Doctor Who (although for very different reasons.)
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
On 12.07.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths
behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
11 of course.
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
On 12.07.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
11 of course.
--
Mickmane
Mickmane wrote:
On 12.07.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
LOL. Well, who's your favorite Doctor? Four, Five, and Nine
are probably my top three, with Four as the absolute best.
Three, Three, and Three are my top three favourite Doctors.
Four comes in fourth place.
The rest are in a pack coming up on the rails two lengths
behind.
We all know who is trailing in last place...
11 of course.
:-)
Well... if it was just the new series Doctors, then yes... it
would be Eleven... mainly because I found the whole Amy (and
Rory) thing tiresome by the end. From sexy kissogram girl to
annoying ginger!
However, if we are including "Doctor Who" as one whole series,
then Eleven escapes the wooden spoon... that goes to the Doctor
than can play the spoons, so it's an apt gift he can make use of.
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Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
I really wish more showrunners would allow shows to expire in their
natural time. If the show had been allowed to end when it ran out of
real ideas, it might have been revivable again soon. Instead, they're
still juicing the corpse of this one with lame gimmicks, and it will be
hard ever to take it seriously again.
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Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
I really wish more showrunners would allow shows to expire in their
natural time.
On 13.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]>
wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did [email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
I'd give her a chance. Don't know why seemingly everyone's
complaining about the idea.
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
I really wish more showrunners would allow shows to expire
in their natural time.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Don't wish for others to not get more of a series when they
would like it to continue.
On 13.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
I'd give her a chance. Don't know why seemingly everyone's complaining
about the idea.
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
I really wish more showrunners would allow shows to expire in their
natural time.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Don't wish for others to not get more of a series when they would like
it to continue.
--
Mickmane
Mickmane wrote:
On 13.07.25, Melissa Hollingsworth <[email protected]>
wrote:
Verily, in article <[email protected]>, did
[email protected] deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth wrote:
Let's get back to how terrible it would be to have Billie
Piper as the Doctor. My take: extremely terrible.
An extremely terrible gimmick...
I'd give her a chance. Don't know why seemingly everyone's
complaining about the idea.
It was a bad idea... what would be known online as click-bait.
It's made even worse by the fact RTD claims he doesn't even know
if Billie Piper is the Doctor or not. Which if true just shows
there's no actual plan and it is just stunt casting for the sake
of it.
It's not taking the show forward to continually hark back to
your previous era on the show and throw in your greatest hits in
the hope it will bring the viewers back. New viewers haven't a
hope of knowing WTF is going on without large exposition dumps
in episodes and that then detracts from the actual story trying
to be told. If "Doctor Who" is to survive it needs to go forward.
IMHO of course...
The thing is, RTD is so perverse the more parts of fandom
find the idea abhorrent the more likely he is to go with it.
I really wish more showrunners would allow shows to expire
in their natural time.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
That's the problem... people largely are not watching it.
Don't wish for others to not get more of a series when they
would like it to continue.
I think "Doctor Who" will continue, and I hope it does, but it
might need a bit of a rest to re-charge its batteries...
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