• Doctor Who: Rose - 20th Anniversary

    From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 26 11:39:07 2025
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
    of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
    Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
    of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
    evening with posts like this...

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Tim Roll-Pickering" <[email protected]>

    Truly:

    Woo-Hoo!

    It's been worth the long wait. ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Ian Salsbury" <[email protected]>

    It felt a little rushed and some of the effects were dodgy but
    overall great fun. CE was superb and the show has left me with
    a smile on my face. A good start! ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mark Walton" <[email protected]>

    My 4 year old nephew immediately called out "Wicked!" as the
    end credits rolled. Sounds like a success. ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Stephen Wilson" <[email protected]>-

    A good reintroduction, but a liitle bit "in your face" and tried
    to do too much too quick. Not enough time to introduce any
    characters - certainly none I got to care about by the end of
    the episode.

    Suddenly there was danger, the Doctor appeared, danger was blown
    up. Wham, bam, thank you mam... -------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mike" <[email protected]>

    after all the hype I was expecting big things from the new Dr
    Who but after having just sat through the first episode not only
    am I disappointed but saddened that it now looks like it has
    turned into a comedy spoof more than anything. for a start
    instead of developing a story over 4 or 5 episodes it is now all
    crammed into one episode so the autons arrive, are discovered and
    destroyed in 45 mins with no build-up or story development
    whatsoever! parts of it play like a MTV music video too and as
    for hiding behind the sofa.. think kids would be too busy
    laughing at it to do that! for example the wheely bin burping
    after swollowing someone! not sure if Chris makes a good doctor
    or not either.. he seems to have a sort of can't care less
    attitude to the whole thing. Billy seems ok though. i am just
    hoping it is early days and things may improve but of this first
    episode is going to be the style of the whole thing I think this
    series may sadly spell the real end of the Doctor. -------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Agamemnon" <[email protected]_SPAM>

    Where was the Doctors face appearing in the tunnel. Nowhere to
    be seen.

    The closing credits were annoying. Tunnel effects and credits
    scrolling up the screen at the same time don't work together.

    The story was 3 episodes to short. Complete lack of any build up
    but maybe the intention was to bring the new viewers in on the
    last part of a 4 parter. Hopefully the next story will have a
    beginning a middle and an end. ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Hornplayer9599" <[email protected]>

    Overall, I didn't think it was a bad episode. Granted, we are
    all looking at this episode with the background knowledge of the
    "classic" Doctor stories, but we are talking about one new
    episode. I thought that the pace of the show was quite fast,
    again I'm used to having one story take four, or sometimes six
    episodes to come to fruition. However, I think that we can come
    up with an old 2 part story that just draged on and on. We can
    also come up with a 6 parter that went by quickly and didn't
    "feel" like a 6 parter. As far as garbage bins burping up, I can
    live with that as long as we don't see it every week. I think
    Chris is going to be an excellent Doctor. Yeah, he did some
    silly things in Rose's living room. But if you noticed when he
    looked in the mirror, he started commenting on his appearance,
    as if he had just recently regenerated. If you recall, when the
    other doctors regenerated, the new incarnation was a bit
    "loopy" for a while before he got comfortable in his new skin
    (especially from Tom Baker on). Last item. The first episode
    from any given series is rarely the best product....everyone
    involved is working on finding an "identity". I think that
    given time (no pun intended) to get settled, the new show will
    be just as good at the original. Let's wait and see before
    condeming it.
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    From: "Central Scrutinizer" <[email protected]>

    Well; it's happened at last. I know it's only e1, but it struck
    me as being a bit slapstick. The SFX were very good and that was
    complemented by sets that didn't wobble and monsters that
    weren't spray-painted bubblewrap(tm). ll-in-all though I think
    the series shows a lot of promise and the writing is excellent
    along with the general production values and sfx. Well-done and
    pats on the collective backs of the beeb staff that have brought
    one of the best-loved stories ever back to our screens. ---------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 23:24:36 2025
    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
    of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
    Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
    of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
    evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts .... where are the others??
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 26 12:31:20 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too
    much of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing
    "Doctor Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today
    when some of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode
    "Rose" that evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts ....
    where are the others??

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening... pretty
    much in order... and there was a lot of posts about the sound
    problems the episode had on transmission... and Graham Norton...
    and some other tangents... as is - and always was - the RADW
    norm, so I didn't have all morning to be cutting and pasting...
    plus the post would have been a mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

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  • From The Last Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 13:34:32 2025
    On 26/03/2025 12:31, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too
    much of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing
    "Doctor Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today
    when some of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode
    "Rose" that evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts ....
    where are the others??

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening... pretty
    much in order... and there was a lot of posts about the sound
    problems the episode had on transmission... and Graham Norton...
    and some other tangents... as is - and always was - the RADW
    norm, so I didn't have all morning to be cutting and pasting...
    plus the post would have been a mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...


    --
    There’s no point in being grown up if you can’t act a little childish
    sometimes.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 14:13:29 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
    of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
    Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
    of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
    evening with posts like this...

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Tim Roll-Pickering" <[email protected]>

    Truly:

    Woo-Hoo!

    It's been worth the long wait. >----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Ian Salsbury" <[email protected]>

    It felt a little rushed and some of the effects were dodgy but
    overall great fun. CE was superb and the show has left me with
    a smile on my face. A good start! >----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mark Walton" <[email protected]>

    My 4 year old nephew immediately called out "Wicked!" as the
    end credits rolled. Sounds like a success. >----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Stephen Wilson" <[email protected]>-

    A good reintroduction, but a liitle bit "in your face" and tried
    to do too much too quick. Not enough time to introduce any
    characters - certainly none I got to care about by the end of
    the episode.

    Suddenly there was danger, the Doctor appeared, danger was blown
    up. Wham, bam, thank you mam... >-------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mike" <[email protected]>

    after all the hype I was expecting big things from the new Dr
    Who but after having just sat through the first episode not only
    am I disappointed but saddened that it now looks like it has
    turned into a comedy spoof more than anything. for a start
    instead of developing a story over 4 or 5 episodes it is now all
    crammed into one episode so the autons arrive, are discovered and
    destroyed in 45 mins with no build-up or story development
    whatsoever! parts of it play like a MTV music video too and as
    for hiding behind the sofa.. think kids would be too busy
    laughing at it to do that! for example the wheely bin burping
    after swollowing someone! not sure if Chris makes a good doctor
    or not either.. he seems to have a sort of can't care less
    attitude to the whole thing. Billy seems ok though. i am just
    hoping it is early days and things may improve but of this first
    episode is going to be the style of the whole thing I think this
    series may sadly spell the real end of the Doctor. >-------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Agamemnon" <[email protected]_SPAM>

    Where was the Doctors face appearing in the tunnel. Nowhere to
    be seen.

    The closing credits were annoying. Tunnel effects and credits
    scrolling up the screen at the same time don't work together.

    The story was 3 episodes to short. Complete lack of any build up
    but maybe the intention was to bring the new viewers in on the
    last part of a 4 parter. Hopefully the next story will have a
    beginning a middle and an end. >----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Hornplayer9599" <[email protected]>

    Overall, I didn't think it was a bad episode. Granted, we are
    all looking at this episode with the background knowledge of the
    "classic" Doctor stories, but we are talking about one new
    episode. I thought that the pace of the show was quite fast,
    again I'm used to having one story take four, or sometimes six
    episodes to come to fruition. However, I think that we can come
    up with an old 2 part story that just draged on and on. We can
    also come up with a 6 parter that went by quickly and didn't
    "feel" like a 6 parter. As far as garbage bins burping up, I can
    live with that as long as we don't see it every week. I think
    Chris is going to be an excellent Doctor. Yeah, he did some
    silly things in Rose's living room. But if you noticed when he
    looked in the mirror, he started commenting on his appearance,
    as if he had just recently regenerated. If you recall, when the
    other doctors regenerated, the new incarnation was a bit
    "loopy" for a while before he got comfortable in his new skin
    (especially from Tom Baker on). Last item. The first episode
    from any given series is rarely the best product....everyone
    involved is working on finding an "identity". I think that
    given time (no pun intended) to get settled, the new show will
    be just as good at the original. Let's wait and see before
    condeming it.
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    From: "Central Scrutinizer" <[email protected]>

    Well; it's happened at last. I know it's only e1, but it struck
    me as being a bit slapstick. The SFX were very good and that was
    complemented by sets that didn't wobble and monsters that
    weren't spray-painted bubblewrap(tm). ll-in-all though I think
    the series shows a lot of promise and the writing is excellent
    along with the general production values and sfx. Well-done and
    pats on the collective backs of the beeb staff that have brought
    one of the best-loved stories ever back to our screens. >---------------------------------------------------------------



    9 days later for CBC to air it.
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Mar 26 14:28:24 2025
    In article <vs0rm6$1omk5$[email protected]>,
    Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
    of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
    Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
    of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
    evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts .... where are the >others??

    Coming.

    --
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 14:28:58 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too
    much of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing
    "Doctor Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today
    when some of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode
    "Rose" that evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts ....
    where are the others??

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening... pretty
    much in order... and there was a lot of posts about the sound
    problems the episode had on transmission... and Graham Norton...
    and some other tangents... as is - and always was - the RADW
    norm, so I didn't have all morning to be cutting and pasting...
    plus the post would have been a mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    As long as the integrity holds!
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed Mar 26 14:30:32 2025
    In article <vs0vp8$1s286$[email protected]>,
    The Last Doctor <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 26/03/2025 12:31, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 10:39 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too
    much of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing
    "Doctor Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today
    when some of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode
    "Rose" that evening with posts like this...

    Well, I recognised four names from that list of posts ....
    where are the others??

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening... pretty
    much in order... and there was a lot of posts about the sound
    problems the episode had on transmission... and Graham Norton...
    and some other tangents... as is - and always was - the RADW
    norm, so I didn't have all morning to be cutting and pasting...
    plus the post would have been a mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...


    Yeah! Yeah!!


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    sometimes.


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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Mar 26 15:05:01 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too
    much of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing
    "Doctor Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today
    when some of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode
    "Rose" that evening with posts like this...

    [Snip]


    9 days later for CBC to air it.

    That explains why your review wasn't there that evening...

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Last Doctor on Wed Mar 26 15:05:03 2025
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 12:31, Blueshirt wrote:

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening...
    pretty much in order... and there was a lot of posts about
    the sound problems the episode had on transmission... and
    Graham Norton... and some other tangents... as is - and
    always was - the RADW norm, so I didn't have all morning to
    be cutting and pasting... plus the post would have been a
    mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    The posts are literally those that commented about the episode
    in order from around 8pm that evening, minus the faff about
    sound quality, replies, follow-ups and other divergences... I
    could have gone way in to that night copying and pasting plenty
    more but I just kept it simple as it seemed like a fairly
    representative sample.

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed Mar 26 15:30:02 2025
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    Archives for you.

    The RADW archives can be fun, but there was a LOT to wade
    through back then when there were loads of people posting here...

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 15:59:18 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    Archives for you.

    The RADW archives can be fun, but there was a LOT to wade
    through back then when there were loads of people posting here...

    For them to find a Usenet provider.
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  • From The True Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Mar 26 23:02:11 2025
    On 26/03/2025 11:39, Blueshirt wrote:
    "Doctor Who" is one show so I doubt the BBC will make too much
    of a fuss about the 20th anniversary of RTD bringing "Doctor
    Who" back to life, but it was twenty years ago today when some
    of the good folks on RADW reacted to the episode "Rose" that
    evening with posts like this...

    ---------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Tim Roll-Pickering" <[email protected]>

    Truly:

    Woo-Hoo!

    It's been worth the long wait. ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Ian Salsbury" <[email protected]>

    It felt a little rushed and some of the effects were dodgy but
    overall great fun. CE was superb and the show has left me with
    a smile on my face. A good start! ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mark Walton" <[email protected]>

    My 4 year old nephew immediately called out "Wicked!" as the
    end credits rolled. Sounds like a success. ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Stephen Wilson" <[email protected]>-

    A good reintroduction, but a liitle bit "in your face" and tried
    to do too much too quick. Not enough time to introduce any
    characters - certainly none I got to care about by the end of
    the episode.

    Suddenly there was danger, the Doctor appeared, danger was blown
    up. Wham, bam, thank you mam... -------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Mike" <[email protected]>

    after all the hype I was expecting big things from the new Dr
    Who but after having just sat through the first episode not only
    am I disappointed but saddened that it now looks like it has
    turned into a comedy spoof more than anything. for a start
    instead of developing a story over 4 or 5 episodes it is now all
    crammed into one episode so the autons arrive, are discovered and
    destroyed in 45 mins with no build-up or story development
    whatsoever! parts of it play like a MTV music video too and as
    for hiding behind the sofa.. think kids would be too busy
    laughing at it to do that! for example the wheely bin burping
    after swollowing someone! not sure if Chris makes a good doctor
    or not either.. he seems to have a sort of can't care less
    attitude to the whole thing. Billy seems ok though. i am just
    hoping it is early days and things may improve but of this first
    episode is going to be the style of the whole thing I think this
    series may sadly spell the real end of the Doctor. -------------------------------------------------------------

    From: "Agamemnon" <[email protected]_SPAM>

    Where was the Doctors face appearing in the tunnel. Nowhere to
    be seen.

    The closing credits were annoying. Tunnel effects and credits
    scrolling up the screen at the same time don't work together.

    The story was 3 episodes to short. Complete lack of any build up
    but maybe the intention was to bring the new viewers in on the
    last part of a 4 parter. Hopefully the next story will have a
    beginning a middle and an end. ----------------------------------------------------------


    Unfortunately after 20, I mean 12 years when the show finally ended in
    2017 the writers never learned how to write for the 45 minute format
    before completely running the series into the ground. They also never
    learned how to write a proper series arc either. It was nothing beyond repeating the same mantra like Bad Wolf over and over and over again.

    From the very start as the majority of comments back then seem to make
    clear the writing was extremely poor and deteriorated over time. It grew
    worse from effectively starting from the 4th episode of a 4 parter
    jumping straight to the end of the story without any build up, plot development, character development, hero's journey, or change taking
    place, to not having a story or plot at all, being completely incoherent
    with everything being thrown in at random and not making any sense like
    a modern art painting, as if it was written by a clueless 4 year old
    child playing with a pot of paint that doesn't know how to hold a paint
    brush, mix colours, or draw perspective.

    In its favour, back then, the series was still entertaining because it
    wasn't crammed full of degenerate, bigoted political messaging attacking
    the audience because of their race, gender, and sexuality. As soon as
    that began under Moffat and Capaldi in 2015 following on from Clara
    being turned into an unlikeable Mary Sue used to attack male traits and
    the masculinity of the characters, and the Master being turned into a
    woman, the series immediately lost more than half of its audience and
    never recovered from it.

    In hindsight no one will remember or love the new series like the
    original. There is not one single episode or story that can be cited as
    a classic example of good science fiction writing or which inspired
    viewers to study science, technology, mathematics, or engineering. All
    the new series has achieved is inflating the self-centred egos of the
    mentally sick and degenerate show runners, Russell T Davies, Steven
    Moffat, and Chris Chibnall, and we should have realised this from the
    very start when Christopher Eccleston quit before the first episode was
    even air because of how the cast and crew were systematically abused,
    ignored, insulted, and humiliated, when they dared to suggest ways of
    making the show better, and then defamed with lies made up about them by
    the executive producers who even mocked them in the series itself. If
    that's how you treat the show's lead actor don't expect him to return
    and don't expect the audience to be treated any better. We should have
    learned that lesson back then in 2005.

    Doctor Who ended in 2017 and all the signs leading to its demise were
    there from the start, with it being run by a cabal of megalomaniacs.

    It's a surprise it even lasted 12 years given what we know now.

    From: "Hornplayer9599" <[email protected]>

    Overall, I didn't think it was a bad episode. Granted, we are
    all looking at this episode with the background knowledge of the
    "classic" Doctor stories, but we are talking about one new
    episode. I thought that the pace of the show was quite fast,
    again I'm used to having one story take four, or sometimes six
    episodes to come to fruition. However, I think that we can come
    up with an old 2 part story that just draged on and on. We can
    also come up with a 6 parter that went by quickly and didn't
    "feel" like a 6 parter. As far as garbage bins burping up, I can
    live with that as long as we don't see it every week. I think
    Chris is going to be an excellent Doctor. Yeah, he did some
    silly things in Rose's living room. But if you noticed when he
    looked in the mirror, he started commenting on his appearance,
    as if he had just recently regenerated. If you recall, when the
    other doctors regenerated, the new incarnation was a bit
    "loopy" for a while before he got comfortable in his new skin
    (especially from Tom Baker on). Last item. The first episode
    from any given series is rarely the best product....everyone
    involved is working on finding an "identity". I think that
    given time (no pun intended) to get settled, the new show will
    be just as good at the original. Let's wait and see before
    condeming it.
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    From: "Central Scrutinizer" <[email protected]>

    Well; it's happened at last. I know it's only e1, but it struck
    me as being a bit slapstick. The SFX were very good and that was
    complemented by sets that didn't wobble and monsters that
    weren't spray-painted bubblewrap(tm). ll-in-all though I think
    the series shows a lot of promise and the writing is excellent
    along with the general production values and sfx. Well-done and
    pats on the collective backs of the beeb staff that have brought
    one of the best-loved stories ever back to our screens. ---------------------------------------------------------------




    --
    The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

    "To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
    stands for." -William Shatner

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  • From Mickmane@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 27 10:29:00 2025
    On 27.03.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    The posts are literally those that commented about the episode
    in order from around 8pm that evening, minus the faff about
    sound quality, replies, follow-ups and other divergences... I
    could have gone way in to that night copying and pasting plenty
    more but I just kept it simple as it seemed like a fairly
    representative sample.

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    I appreciate it.

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    --

    Mickmane

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Mar 27 20:50:48 2025
    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 12:31, Blueshirt wrote:

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening...
    pretty much in order... and there was a lot of posts about
    the sound problems the episode had on transmission... and
    Graham Norton... and some other tangents... as is - and
    always was - the RADW norm, so I didn't have all morning to
    be cutting and pasting... plus the post would have been a
    mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Go find your own claim to fame, Whomever! ;-P
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 27 10:33:21 2025
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Give it a few years and we could all be in the same boat...
    maybe we'll even forget what Usenet is one day and never open
    our newsreaders again.

    Imagine an RADW without us. How scary is that thought?!

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Mar 27 22:23:11 2025
    On 27/03/2025 9:33 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Give it a few years and we could all be in the same boat...
    maybe we'll even forget what Usenet is one day and never open
    our newsreaders again.

    "never open our newsreaders again." .... gunna happen to us all .... eventually!!

    Imagine an RADW without us. How scary is that thought?!

    Non-existant!!
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Mickmane on Thu Mar 27 11:51:16 2025
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27.03.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    The posts are literally those that commented about the episode
    in order from around 8pm that evening, minus the faff about
    sound quality, replies, follow-ups and other divergences... I
    could have gone way in to that night copying and pasting plenty
    more but I just kept it simple as it seemed like a fairly
    representative sample.

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    I appreciate it.

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).


    Where is here?

    --

    Mickmane



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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 27 11:53:51 2025
    In article <vs371o$3uv1s$[email protected]>,
    Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    On 26/03/2025 12:31, Blueshirt wrote:

    It was a selection of posts on RADW from that evening...
    pretty much in order... and there was a lot of posts about
    the sound problems the episode had on transmission... and
    Graham Norton... and some other tangents... as is - and
    always was - the RADW norm, so I didn't have all morning to
    be cutting and pasting... plus the post would have been a
    mile long.

    If public demand wants a part two, I'm sure that could be
    arranged... otherwise, the Google archive is your friend! :-)

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Go find your own claim to fame, Whomever! ;-P

    Admission noted!

    --
    Daniel70


    --
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Mar 27 11:54:35 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:

    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Give it a few years and we could all be in the same boat...
    maybe we'll even forget what Usenet is one day and never open
    our newsreaders again.

    Imagine an RADW without us. How scary is that thought?!


    in 45 years.
    --
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 27 11:58:08 2025
    In article <vs3cev$4dme$[email protected]>,
    Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 9:33 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 2:05 am, Blueshirt wrote:
    The Last Doctor wrote:

    Pretty sure that Mike wasn't me ...

    I didn't think it was... unless it actually was and you've
    forgotten! ;-)

    No!! No!! No!! I'm the one with the failing memory!!

    Give it a few years and we could all be in the same boat...
    maybe we'll even forget what Usenet is one day and never open
    our newsreaders again.

    "never open our newsreaders again." .... gunna happen to us all .... >eventually!!

    Imagine an RADW without us. How scary is that thought?!

    Non-existant!!

    Exactly!!

    --
    Daniel70


    --
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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Thu Mar 27 23:12:14 2025
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27.03.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    The posts are literally those that commented about the episode
    in order from around 8pm that evening, minus the faff about
    sound quality, replies, follow-ups and other divergences... I
    could have gone way in to that night copying and pasting plenty
    more but I just kept it simple as it seemed like a fairly
    representative sample.

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    I appreciate it.

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Mar 27 12:41:00 2025
    In article <vs3fat$74cp$[email protected]>,
    Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27.03.25, Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:

    The posts are literally those that commented about the episode
    in order from around 8pm that evening, minus the faff about
    sound quality, replies, follow-ups and other divergences... I
    could have gone way in to that night copying and pasting plenty
    more but I just kept it simple as it seemed like a fairly
    representative sample.

    It seemed like a bit of fun for the day that's in it today...

    I appreciate it.

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!
    ^^^^^<-Paedophile talker noted
    --
    Daniel70


    --
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The True Doctor on Thu Mar 27 12:58:27 2025
    The True Doctor wrote:


    Unfortunately after 20, I mean 12 years when the show finally
    ended in 2017 the writers never learned how to write for the
    45 minute format before completely running the series into the
    ground.

    I think we as older fans never really adjusted to the shorter
    format of modern TV either... I always think a lot of the
    endings in Doctor Who (and some other shows) feel rushed these
    days. You often have a big build up, some tense drama, then the
    solution is found and threat resolved in two minutes.

    More time seems to be spent on the companions and their feelings
    than the actual story. I accept I am old and am used to the
    classic series where padding was often the way, but for weekly
    Doctor Who episodes that worked. Now, 45/50 minutes seems too
    short for a proper Doctor Who story.

    They also never learned how to write a proper series
    arc either. It was nothing beyond repeating the same mantra
    like Bad Wolf over and over and over again.

    Bad Wolf worked, Cracks in Time was okay, Flux was awful!

    We'll see how the Mavity & Susan Twist arcs play out in the
    coming months...

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Thu Mar 27 13:05:51 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Blueshirt <[email protected]> wrote:
    The True Doctor wrote:


    Unfortunately after 20, I mean 12 years when the show finally
    ended in 2017 the writers never learned how to write for the
    45 minute format before completely running the series into the
    ground.

    I think we as older fans never really adjusted to the shorter
    format of modern TV either... I always think a lot of the
    endings in Doctor Who (and some other shows) feel rushed these
    days. You often have a big build up, some tense drama, then the
    solution is found and threat resolved in two minutes.

    More time seems to be spent on the companions and their feelings
    than the actual story. I accept I am old and am used to the
    classic series where padding was often the way, but for weekly
    Doctor Who episodes that worked. Now, 45/50 minutes seems too
    short for a proper Doctor Who story.

    They also never learned how to write a proper series
    arc either. It was nothing beyond repeating the same mantra
    like Bad Wolf over and over and over again.

    Bad Wolf worked, Cracks in Time was okay, Flux was awful!

    We'll see how the Mavity & Susan Twist arcs play out in the
    coming months...

    The Timless child should be retconned out of Doctor Who entirely!
    --
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  • From Mickmane@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 28 19:31:00 2025
    On 28.03.25, Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!

    Why do you call him 'Binky'?

    Why do you reply to him at all?

    --

    Mickmane

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  • From Hornplayer9599@21:1/5 to Mickmane on Fri Mar 28 14:21:15 2025
    On 3/28/2025 13:31, Mickmane wrote:
    On 28.03.25, Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!

    Why do you call him 'Binky'?

    Because Dave acts like a child who is in need of their binky (pacifier).


    Why do you reply to him at all?

    For me, I am not perfect, and because of that failing, there are times
    that Dave just sets me off and earns my ire (like insinuating that me
    and others engage in pedophilia).


    --

    Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
    --Carl Sagan

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Mickmane on Fri Mar 28 21:45:05 2025
    In article <Gyj$+rqaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 28.03.25, Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!

    Why do you call him 'Binky'?

    Careful what paedophile gets your mouth.


    Why do you reply to him at all?

    --

    Mickmane



    --
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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Mar 28 21:45:52 2025
    In article <MECFP.730181$[email protected]>,
    Hornplayer9599 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 3/28/2025 13:31, Mickmane wrote:
    On 28.03.25, Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 27/03/2025 10:51 pm, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <Gyf$hpVaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <[email protected]> wrote:

    A bit surprised some people complained about it being one episode
    instead of several parts, but I watched the new episodes first (and
    jumped into that somewhere in the early years, when I saw it hit TV
    here).

    Where is here?

    Careful, Mickmane .... Binky might stalk you!

    Why do you call him 'Binky'?

    Because Dave acts like a child who is in need of their binky (pacifier).
    ^^^^^<-paedophile talker noted


    Why do you reply to him at all?

    For me, I am not perfect, and because of that failing, there are times
    that Dave just sets me off and earns my ire (like insinuating that me
    and others engage in pedophilia).


    --

    Intelligence is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
    --Carl Sagan


    --
    Member - Liberal International This is [email protected] Ici [email protected]
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