• YASID: Similar to The Man in the High Castle

    From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 28 17:49:31 2025
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The
    protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    I remember one part where he was in some type of work camp, barefooted
    and ill clothed, in the west and some Japanese soldier was pissed off
    about something and was going to go after our protagonist with his sword
    but the soldier got sloppy and our guy kicked him and maybe took an eye
    with the nail on his big toe when he kicked the soldier.


    Does this ring any bells?

    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 28 19:20:24 2025
    On 8/28/25 17:49, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    I remember one part where he was in some type of work camp, barefooted
    and ill clothed, in the west and some Japanese soldier was pissed off
    about something and was going to go after our protagonist with his sword
    but the soldier got sloppy and our guy kicked him and maybe took an eye
    with the nail on his big toe when he kicked the soldier.


    Does this ring any bells?

    Npt really but searching, searching, searching.....

    Possibly:
    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove
    But <https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/top-10-alt-hist-wwii-novels.161420/>

    Has more. One or two different from the other lists at; <https://fully-booked.ca/best-book-lists/best-riveting-ww2-alternate-history-books/>

    Further:
    <https://www.eabaker.org/post/100-best-alternate-history-books>
    which gave some possibilities.
    Curious Notions by Harry Turtledove
    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove
    Hitler's War by Harry Turtledove
    and Swastika Night which does not seem to be available.

    I used the search terms: 'SF Written Alternate History Axis wins WW II'



    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)
    That public service is a good thing?
    Good on you Dave Scruggs.

    bliss

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 29 03:35:22 2025
    In article <108qter$1mva5$[email protected]>, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote: >I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The >protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    Two Dooms, Cyril Kornbluth.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Aug 29 08:04:56 2025
    In article <108qter$1mva5$[email protected]>, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote: >I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The >protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    It's not Two Dooms by Kornbluth.
    Could it be Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream?
    What about The Divide by William Overgard?
    The Ultimate Solution by Eric Norden?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sat Aug 30 13:02:51 2025
    On 8/28/25 19:20, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 8/28/25 17:49, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that.
    We've been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had
    nothing to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The
    protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that
    bad and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    I remember one part where he was in some type of work camp, barefooted
    and ill clothed, in the west and some Japanese soldier was pissed off
    about something and was going to go after our protagonist with his
    sword but the soldier got sloppy and our guy kicked him and maybe took
    an eye with the nail on his big toe when he kicked the soldier.


    Does this ring any bells?

    Npt really but searching, searching, searching.....

    Possibly:
    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove
    But <https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/top-10-alt-hist- wwii-novels.161420/>

    Has more. One or two different from the other lists at; <https://fully-booked.ca/best-book-lists/best-riveting-ww2-alternate- history-books/>

    Further:
    <https://www.eabaker.org/post/100-best-alternate-history-books>
    which gave some possibilities.
    Curious Notions by Harry Turtledove
    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove
    Hitler's War by Harry Turtledove
    and Swastika Night which does not seem to be available.

    I used the search terms: 'SF Written Alternate History Axis wins WW II'



    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was
    I thinking?)
        That public service is a good thing?
        Good on you Dave Scruggs.

        bliss

    Thank you for the kind words!

    For some reason, I don't think Harry Turtledove was the author. It is a
    very dim memory.

    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Sat Aug 30 13:04:36 2025
    On 8/28/25 20:35, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <108qter$1mva5$[email protected]>, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The
    protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    Two Dooms, Cyril Kornbluth.
    I will look into this.

    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From BCFD 36@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat Aug 30 13:05:07 2025
    On 8/29/25 05:04, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <108qter$1mva5$[email protected]>, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've
    been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The
    protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad
    and more.

    It's not Two Dooms by Kornbluth.
    Could it be Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream?
    What about The Divide by William Overgard?
    The Ultimate Solution by Eric Norden?
    --scott
    I will check these out.

    --
    ----------------

    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Sat Aug 30 16:32:38 2025
    On Aug 28, 2025, Bobbie Sellers wrote
    (in article <108r2pa$1o1ij$[email protected]>):


    On 8/28/25 17:49, BCFD 36 wrote:
    I've been laying low and not participating much. Sorry about that. We've been doing a bit of traveling, I've had projects, and really had nothing
    to say. But I'M BACK.

    A long time ago, probably pushing 50 years, I read a (possibly) short
    story with an alternate time line where the Axis had won WWII. The protagonist visited both the east and west of what was the US,
    remembering the nice Germans he knew before the war and how they
    probably weren't all that bad. When he got there, they were all that bad and more.

    In the west, he remembered all of the nice polite Japanese students he
    went to school with and they were probably OK. They were not OK.

    I remember one part where he was in some type of work camp, barefooted
    and ill clothed, in the west and some Japanese soldier was pissed off
    about something and was going to go after our protagonist with his sword but the soldier got sloppy and our guy kicked him and maybe took an eye with the nail on his big toe when he kicked the soldier.


    Does this ring any bells?

    Npt really but searching, searching, searching.....

    Possibly:
    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove
    But <https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/top-10-alt-hist-wwii-novels.16
    1420/>

    Has more. One or two different from the other lists at; <https://fully-booked.ca/best-book-lists/best-riveting-ww2-alternate-history-b
    ooks/>

    Further:
    <https://www.eabaker.org/post/100-best-alternate-history-books>
    which gave some possibilities.
    Curious Notions by Harry Turtledove

    not this guy. WW _One_ is won by the Central Powers; no Nazis.

    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove

    Not this one; Jews hidden in plain sight in Berlin in the late 20th, after a Nazi victory. Complications ensue.

    Hitler's War by Harry Turtledove

    not this one; WWII starts in 1938 when appeasement fails.

    and Swastika Night which does not seem to be available.

    possibly because it was written in 1937.



    I used the search terms: 'SF Written Alternate History Axis wins WW II'


    Dave Scruggs
    Senior Software Engineer - Lockheed Martin, et. al (mostly Retired)
    Captain - Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
    Board of Directors - Boulder Creek Fire Protection District (What was I thinking?)
    That public service is a good thing?
    Good on you Dave Scruggs.

    bliss

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Sat Aug 30 16:18:40 2025
    In article <108vlgk$2prju$[email protected]>, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote: >On 8/28/25 20:35, James Nicoll wrote:

    Two Dooms, Cyril Kornbluth.
    I will look into this.

    I don't think this is the story you're looking for, but it's a great
    story and I loved it when I was a kid and I think everyone should
    read it.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 2 13:30:42 2025
    On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 16:32:38 -0400, WolfFan <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    In the Presence of Mine Enemies by Harry Turtledove

    Not this one; Jews hidden in plain sight in Berlin in the late 20th, after a >Nazi victory. Complications ensue.

    Hitler's War by Harry Turtledove

    not this one; WWII starts in 1938 when appeasement fails.

    While I've read both of those I much preferred Steve Stirling's Draka
    stories. Gwendolyn (the villainess of Drakon) was one of the great SF villainesses of all time.

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