• Looking for stories....

    From Lee Gleason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 6 21:23:47 2025
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their destinations by conventional space travel on ships. I know I've read
    several stories using this over the decades. but can't think of 'em
    right now....some of the stories dealt with ships that could use the destination booth while in flight, simplifying crew changes and resupply
    over the long periods it would take to get to a destination. SOme
    couldn't use the target booth until it was set up at the destination, complicating the long flight to it.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Lee Gleason on Sun Jul 6 22:01:53 2025
    In article <TcGaQ.51557$[email protected]>,
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote:

    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their destinations by conventional space travel on ships. I know I've read
    several stories using this over the decades. but can't think of 'em
    right now....some of the stories dealt with ships that could use the destination booth while in flight, simplifying crew changes and resupply
    over the long periods it would take to get to a destination. SOme
    couldn't use the target booth until it was set up at the destination, complicating the long flight to it.


    I can think of a Poul Anderson novel, _The Enemy Stars_, aka "We Have
    Fed Our Sea". IIRC, Bob Shaw's _Orbitsville_ and its sequel involved interstellar teleportation (but I don't remember the details).

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Mon Jul 7 12:57:42 2025
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes:

    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to >>teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >>destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    well, it's TV, but that's the protocol
    in "Stargate-SG1" (and the related programs)



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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Lee Gleason on Mon Jul 7 12:53:33 2025
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 7 13:51:05 2025
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to >>>teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >>>destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?

    Also... they had to compensate for the differing potential
    energies between receiving and transmission sites, as one
    could be "traveling" (term used a bit loosely) a lot faster
    and in a different direction, and altitude, etc., than
    the other.

    This would otherwise lead to potentially a hefty chunk of
    heat being released at the receiving site.

    (This was, iirc, a plot device in one of his stories).

    It's bad enough when talking about locations on the
    same planet, but if you're looking at space velocities
    and energy wells, etc., it's mind boggling...

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Mon Jul 7 13:31:23 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to >>teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >>destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.



    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 7 14:15:40 2025
    In article <104gjc9$gmu$[email protected]>,
    danny burstein <[email protected]> wrote:
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan ><tednolan>) writes:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to >>>>teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >>>>destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?

    Also... they had to compensate for the differing potential
    energies between receiving and transmission sites, as one
    could be "traveling" (term used a bit loosely) a lot faster
    and in a different direction, and altitude, etc., than
    the other.

    This would otherwise lead to potentially a hefty chunk of
    heat being released at the receiving site.

    (This was, iirc, a plot device in one of his stories).

    It's bad enough when talking about locations on the
    same planet, but if you're looking at space velocities
    and energy wells, etc., it's mind boggling...


    I think it's probably a handwave that it works on the planet then, as
    the Earth is revolving, progressing on its orbit & drifting through
    space with the spiral arm and whatnot...
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Jul 7 08:34:13 2025
    On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 21:23:47 -0500, Lee Gleason
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >destinations by conventional space travel on ships. I know I've read
    several stories using this over the decades. but can't think of 'em
    right now....some of the stories dealt with ships that could use the >destination booth while in flight, simplifying crew changes and resupply >over the long periods it would take to get to a destination. SOme
    couldn't use the target booth until it was set up at the destination, >complicating the long flight to it.


    i don't recall them, but I /must/ have read some because, when I was
    thinking about stories/games of my own (none of which I was able to
    complete -- my mind just doesn't work that way) several of them
    involved such systems.

    One of the games, had it moved beyond the "thinking about it" phase,
    would have had long periods where the turns were used to build up
    invasion forces and then short periods where the gate reached the
    target and set itself up so the invasion could commence. That, surely,
    came from a book I read -- I was a great borrower of ideas from people
    who actually were able to create stories/games.
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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Lee Gleason on Mon Jul 7 09:43:08 2025
    In article <TcGaQ.51557$[email protected]>,
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote:

    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their destinations by conventional space travel on ships. I know I've read
    several stories using this over the decades. but can't think of 'em
    right now....some of the stories dealt with ships that could use the destination booth while in flight, simplifying crew changes and resupply
    over the long periods it would take to get to a destination. SOme
    couldn't use the target booth until it was set up at the destination, complicating the long flight to it.

    Maybe Pohl and Williamson's Cuckoo duology (I might had confused my dim
    memory of _Orbitsville_ with it).

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jul 8 00:36:59 2025
    In article <104hion$3528v$[email protected]>,
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 07/07/2025 14:51, danny burstein wrote:
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan ><tednolan>) writes:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their
    destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?

    Also... they had to compensate for the differing potential
    energies between receiving and transmission sites, as one
    could be "traveling" (term used a bit loosely) a lot faster
    and in a different direction, and altitude, etc., than
    the other.

    This would otherwise lead to potentially a hefty chunk of
    heat being released at the receiving site.

    (This was, iirc, a plot device in one of his stories).

    It's bad enough when talking about locations on the
    same planet, but if you're looking at space velocities
    and energy wells, etc., it's mind boggling...

    Unless you're in space to begin with.
    _
    I think Niven's "All the Bridges Rusting" firstly
    shows an interstellar spaceship which can teleport
    itself but it needs a receiver, which is in the
    outer solar system - so, less deep in the Sun's
    gravity well. I don't reme,ber if that mattered.
    Meanwhile, another spaceship is out there and
    in trouble. ><https://larryniven.net/?q=bibliographic-reference/all-the-bridges-rusting>

    I think _One Step From Earth_ is Harry Harrison's
    treatment of interstellar teleport machines.

    Someone mentioned _Stargate SG-1_. I suppose it
    qualifies except for "booth". Stories differ on
    whether a traveller walks along inside a space
    wormhole, or is quantumed from one planet to
    another, or is sent or received electronically,
    digitally - there's a story where Teal'c's pattern
    is trapped inside Earth's Stargate and they have
    to fix it without turning off and on again...?

    I also found teleportation discussed in the second
    half of 2024: ><https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1g9mrzu/any_books_exploring_what_earth_is_like_after_the/>
    "after the invention of matter transporters".

    I recall one story where a spaceship would teleport onto a receiver on its nose, repeatedly. So you had rapid apparent motion without much real
    velocity. It kind of put me in the mind of Smith's inert & free though not really the same thing at all.
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Jul 8 00:49:55 2025
    In article <104hion$3528v$[email protected]>,
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 07/07/2025 14:51, danny burstein wrote:
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan ><tednolan>) writes:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their
    destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with
    booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?

    Also... they had to compensate for the differing potential
    energies between receiving and transmission sites, as one
    could be "traveling" (term used a bit loosely) a lot faster
    and in a different direction, and altitude, etc., than
    the other.

    This would otherwise lead to potentially a hefty chunk of
    heat being released at the receiving site.

    (This was, iirc, a plot device in one of his stories).

    It's bad enough when talking about locations on the
    same planet, but if you're looking at space velocities
    and energy wells, etc., it's mind boggling...

    Unless you're in space to begin with.
    _
    I think Niven's "All the Bridges Rusting" firstly
    shows an interstellar spaceship which can teleport
    itself but it needs a receiver, which is in the
    outer solar system - so, less deep in the Sun's
    gravity well. I don't reme,ber if that mattered.
    Meanwhile, another spaceship is out there and
    in trouble. ><https://larryniven.net/?q=bibliographic-reference/all-the-bridges-rusting>

    There's transfer booths at both ends of the trip, Sol, and Alpha
    Centauri. Open ended in both cases, I think, so something not
    at rest with the booths can transfer through without a collision.


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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 8 00:54:22 2025
    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <104hion$3528v$[email protected]>,
    Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 07/07/2025 14:51, danny burstein wrote:
    In <[email protected]> [email protected] (Ted Nolan >><tednolan>) writes:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Stefan Ram <[email protected]> wrote:
    Lee Gleason <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    That have teleportation across stellar distances, but only to
    teleportation booths that have been first been transported to their >>>>>> destinations by conventional space travel on ships.

    Transfer booths only working between fixed locations equipped with >>>>> booths exist in Larry Niven's Ringworld.

    I was thinking about that. Was there a reason given why they aren't
    used off-planet? Maybe they are SPEOL only?

    Also... they had to compensate for the differing potential
    energies between receiving and transmission sites, as one
    could be "traveling" (term used a bit loosely) a lot faster
    and in a different direction, and altitude, etc., than
    the other.

    This would otherwise lead to potentially a hefty chunk of
    heat being released at the receiving site.

    (This was, iirc, a plot device in one of his stories).

    It's bad enough when talking about locations on the
    same planet, but if you're looking at space velocities
    and energy wells, etc., it's mind boggling...

    Unless you're in space to begin with.
    _
    I think Niven's "All the Bridges Rusting" firstly
    shows an interstellar spaceship which can teleport
    itself but it needs a receiver, which is in the
    outer solar system - so, less deep in the Sun's
    gravity well. I don't reme,ber if that mattered.
    Meanwhile, another spaceship is out there and
    in trouble. >><https://larryniven.net/?q=bibliographic-reference/all-the-bridges-rusting> >>
    I think _One Step From Earth_ is Harry Harrison's
    treatment of interstellar teleport machines.

    Someone mentioned _Stargate SG-1_. I suppose it
    qualifies except for "booth". Stories differ on
    whether a traveller walks along inside a space
    wormhole, or is quantumed from one planet to
    another, or is sent or received electronically,
    digitally - there's a story where Teal'c's pattern
    is trapped inside Earth's Stargate and they have
    to fix it without turning off and on again...?

    I also found teleportation discussed in the second
    half of 2024: >><https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1g9mrzu/any_books_exploring_what_earth_is_like_after_the/>
    "after the invention of matter transporters".

    I recall one story where a spaceship would teleport onto a receiver on its >nose, repeatedly. So you had rapid apparent motion without much real >velocity. It kind of put me in the mind of Smith's inert & free though not >really the same thing at all.

    Bob Shaw, Who Goes Here? using a drive (probably) lifted from Niven's
    Exercise in Speculation: The Theory and Practice of Teleportation.
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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Wed Jul 30 13:37:01 2025
    "Michael F. Stemper" <[email protected]> wrote or quoted:
    The rotation of the Earth was mentioned as a problem; for changes in
    either latitude or longitude. (It might even have been specifically
    stated that if you stayed on the same line of longitude, and your
    latitude only underwent a sign change, there was no problem.)

    However, the motion of the Earth around the Sun, or the Sun around
    Sag A*, or the Milky Way's headlong rush towards Andromeda would
    not have been an issue.

    You point out that some critical readers are a bit inconsistent
    when they consider one kind of movement but overlook another.

    That's fair, but those critiques mostly focus on side issues.
    The main point is that instantaneous teleportation isn't
    scientifically viable since every energy transfer we've seen
    follows local causality and never exceeds the speed of light.

    Like a lot of stuff in "science" fiction, teleporters are
    really more like magic/fantasy than actual science. And once
    you accept that kind of unscientific magic, there's no real
    call to explain hitting a target with science.

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