It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only.
We still allow about 1.3 million
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
[email protected] (Scott Dorsey) writes:
Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the immigrants
are uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
What does that have to do with being able to pay into the social security
system?
My grandparents were uneducated and my grandmother never did learn English >> even after seventy years in the country. But she ran a cheese factory and >> became a successful businessperson.
Indeed. The vast majority (even omitting H1B holders) of immigrants contribute to social security, medicare and pay taxes[*] just like
everyone else. The H1B holders generally have post secondary
educations and contribute at a higher rate.
[*] Particularly the regressive taxes such as sales taxes, tolls and fees.
Lynn seems to have some basic prejudices against Muslims and foreigners generally. Probably been reading too much krapman. Or maybe there is something in the water in Texas.
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only. We still allow about 1.3 million >>> people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
When was this? It certainly wasn't when my grandparents came here.
Or my great-great grandparents, none of whom had college
educations. At least two of them fought for the Union
in the civil war.
Heck, with McGuire as a surname, his family must surely have
heard the phrase "Irish need not apply" when they immigrated.
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/21/2025 11:57 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only.
ROFLMAO
We still allow about 1.3 millionUh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Not to mention a US Marshall now and then.
And tackling a Senator.
And the Orange Taco managed to chicken out twice in one day -- once to
his farming buddies, and once to a man intent on giving Goebbels a run
for his money -- on the exact same issue.
But, hey, anything to get his name in the headlines!
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening since
Reagan.
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people paying
into the system as more aging people are paid by it. (And yes, higher immigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap on
income was removed from the social security witholdings, so that
billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as millionaires
instead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS deficit problem. This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any viewpoint except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down the road
a bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a good portion of that a generation later.
--scott
On 6/21/2025 11:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening since
Reagan.
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people paying
into the system as more aging people are paid by it. (And yes, higher
immigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap on
income was removed from the social security witholdings, so that
billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as millionaires
instead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS deficit
problem. This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any viewpoint >> except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down the road
a bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a good
portion of that a generation later.
--scott
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the immigrants
are uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only. We still allow about 1.3 million people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
Lynn
On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 08:53:16 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/21/25 11:57, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 6/21/2025 11:15 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie <[email protected]> wrote:
Is the crisis because the OAS fund cannot
pay elderly SS subscribers due to the government
pilfering it, or is it because the government
pilfering has to stop when the money is all gone?
The government pilfering is a problem, and it's been happening since
Reagan.
The aging population is also a problem, with fewer younger people paying >>>> into the system as more aging people are paid by it. (And yes, higher >>>> immigration rates can fix this one.)
Some people have made the argument that mathematically, if the cap on
income was removed from the social security witholdings, so that
billionaires were paying at the same percentage rate as millionaires
instead of the same amount, that it would solve the current OAS deficit >>>> problem. This is true, and it's certainly a good plan from any viewpoint >>>> except that of the very rich, but it's also kicking the can down the road >>>> a bit since eventually the very rich are likely to get paid back a good >>>> portion of that a generation later.
--scott
Higher immigration will not fix this problem as most of the immigrants
are uneducated and cannot speak the majority language, English.
It used to be that we allowed immigration to the USA for college
graduates and English competency only. We still allow about 1.3 million >>> people per year to immigrant legally to the USA, mostly family of
existing citizens.
Lynn
Lynn you are buying the right wing lies again. Immigrants are pursuing more
education than ever before...
Most of the undocumented would not take those jobs that Americans would >> not take if they were totally able to deal with people in English.
Yesterday the
Father of several Marine sons who is pursuing the immunity due to parents
of Military was arrested by ICE as he was doing the landscaping at a chain >> restaurant and they accused him of attacking them with a weed wacker when
he was trying to run away. As usual with ICE they presented no warrant and >> were masked. He just had darker skin.
Huh.
I thought Trump ordered all people wearing masks to be arrested.
So why haven't the alleged ICE Agents wearing masks been -- arrested?
The excessive focus on "people who look like Mexicans" ("racism") has
been apparent for quite some time.
As has their sloppiness and inefficiency.
The effects of their efforts should be apparent next year at the food
store and on the kitchen table.
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Their superiors ordering them to wear masks isn't doing them any
favors, BTW. It makes them look like they know they are doing wrong,
as there is no pandemic and, except for such events as pandemics, only
people who know they are doing wrong wear masks.
On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 08:43:18 -0700, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
Their superiors ordering them to wear masks isn't doing them any
favors, BTW. It makes them look like they know they are doing wrong,
as there is no pandemic and, except for such events as pandemics, only
people who know they are doing wrong wear masks.
An alternate explanation might be a surfeit of false claims of
wrongdoing though how one in advance distinguished the two is unclear.
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border
30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment
that might be a plus.
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border
30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment
that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border
30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment
that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded
for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a
hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all
US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from
my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the
list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
They are doing wrong and wearing masks to avoid retaliation. But the
epidemic
is still around but only us older people are dying as i know. But i
wear a mask when
ourside to catch a bit of the pollen and other allergens circulating. If
I start to cough,
usually from allergy, it helps the other oeople near me on the bus to relax.
The climate in San Francisco is suited to have many blooming plants
all year long.
The city is always building or repairing and dust is an ever-present
problem.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:08:29 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
They are doing wrong and wearing masks to avoid retaliation. But the >> epidemic
is still around but only us older people are dying as i know. But i
wear a mask when
ourside to catch a bit of the pollen and other allergens circulating. If
I start to cough,
usually from allergy, it helps the other oeople near me on the bus to relax. >> The climate in San Francisco is suited to have many blooming plants
all year long.
The city is always building or repairing and dust is an ever-present
problem.
Hmmm. I haven't heard of any COVID deaths in at least two years. (My
wife died in March 2022 and her death certificate said COVID solely on
the basis of a non-authorized (by me) post mortem COVID test that
tested positive though there were no other symptoms. My GP said that
based on my description that it sounded to him more like a cardiac
though he knew that some heart attacks he knew of were of recovered
COVID patients who it was believed had had their natural defences
weakened as a result of COVID.
I do see people wearing masks but certainly nowhere near the numbers
we all saw in 2020-2021.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers ><[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border
30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment
that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded
for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a
hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all
US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from
my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the
list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:08:54 -0700, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born
spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be
Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border >>>> 30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment >>>> that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded
for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a
hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all
US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from
my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the
list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
Generally when my parents (and infant me) lived in the US she just
carried her US social security card - as did my father in Canada
before his naturalization. Both of them had drivers' licences and the
usual range of common documents.
After she was permanently in Canada, the only time she ever had dark
skin was immediately after spending 6 weeks in southern California
during her vacations or when attending the Tucson gem show (we were in
the jeweller's tool business). She did have black hair but I've never
had anyone think she was Hispanic (though she did die in AZ after
being run over by a runaway motor vehicle in a parking lot).
I would be surprised to be thought Hispanic nor would my brother.
On 7/21/25 20:07, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:08:29 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
They are doing wrong and wearing masks to avoid retaliation. But >>> the
epidemic
is still around but only us older people are dying as i know. But i
wear a mask when
ourside to catch a bit of the pollen and other allergens circulating. If >>> I start to cough,
usually from allergy, it helps the other oeople near me on the bus to
relax.
The climate in San Francisco is suited to have many blooming plants
all year long.
The city is always building or repairing and dust is an ever-present
problem.
Hmmm. I haven't heard of any COVID deaths in at least two years. (My
wife died in March 2022 and her death certificate said COVID solely on
the basis of a non-authorized (by me) post mortem COVID test that
tested positive though there were no other symptoms. My GP said that
based on my description that it sounded to him more like a cardiac
though he knew that some heart attacks he knew of were of recovered
COVID patients who it was believed had had their natural defences
weakened as a result of COVID.
I do see people wearing masks but certainly nowhere near the numbers
we all saw in 2020-2021.
I have not seen the latest numbers so I had to go and look for them. USA 2025
<https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-covid-stats/>
And the rest of the world where we live. <https://www.onlymyhealth.com/doctor-tells-what-diseases-covid19-can- cause-including-copd-heart-attack-and-even-death-12977832651>
So deaths are way down but for older people and people with immune respiratory or cardiac problems infection is to be avoided.
Oh and the CDC won't be reporting on this because Kennedy Jr. has cancelled data collection. Remember in Term 1 Orange Face said reporting was bad.
On 7/21/25 20:16, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:08:54 -0700, Paul S Person
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born >>>>>> spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born
citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be >>>>>> Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border >>>>> 30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment >>>>> that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded
for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a
hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all
US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from
my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the
list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
Generally when my parents (and infant me) lived in the US she just
carried her US social security card - as did my father in Canada
before his naturalization. Both of them had drivers' licences and the
usual range of common documents.
After she was permanently in Canada, the only time she ever had dark
skin was immediately after spending 6 weeks in southern California
during her vacations or when attending the Tucson gem show (we were in
the jeweller's tool business). She did have black hair but I've never
had anyone think she was Hispanic (though she did die in AZ after
being run over by a runaway motor vehicle in a parking lot).
I would be surprised to be thought Hispanic nor would my brother.
That last is a confusing sentence and likely you would not be thought
of as Hispanic-American but the ICE is like insane. They violate the law in >seizing any immigrant even those with US Green Cards and Permanent
Resident status. They tossed a Canadian in jail for over 2 weeks.
Stephen Miller has set the ICE a quota and they are not too careful
about how they fill it.
On 7/21/2025 8:31 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Ya, I think COVID is going to be a semi-permanent hazard for the elderly
On 7/21/25 20:07, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:08:29 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
����They are doing wrong and wearing masks to avoid retaliation.� But >>>> the
epidemic
is still around but only us older people are dying as i know.� But i
wear a mask when
ourside to catch a bit of the pollen and other allergens circulating. If >>>> I start to cough,
usually from allergy, it helps the other oeople near me on the bus to >>>> relax.
� The climate in San Francisco is suited to have many blooming plants
all year long.
The city is always building or repairing and dust is an ever-present
problem.
Hmmm. I haven't heard of any COVID deaths in at least two years. (My
wife died in March 2022 and her death certificate said COVID solely on
the basis of a non-authorized (by me) post mortem COVID test that
tested positive though there were no other symptoms. My GP said that
based on my description that it sounded to him more like a cardiac
though he knew that some heart attacks he knew of were of recovered
COVID patients who it was believed had had their natural defences
weakened as a result of COVID.
I do see people wearing masks but certainly nowhere near the numbers
we all saw in 2020-2021.
����I have not seen the latest numbers so I had to go and look for them.
USA 2025
<https://www.theglobalstatistics.com/united-states-covid-stats/>
And the rest of the world where we live.
<https://www.onlymyhealth.com/doctor-tells-what-diseases-covid19-can-
cause-including-copd-heart-attack-and-even-death-12977832651>
����So deaths are way down but for older people and people with immune
respiratory or cardiac problems infection is to be avoided.
����Oh and the CDC won't be reporting on this because Kennedy Jr. has
cancelled data collection.� Remember in Term 1 Orange Face said reporting
was bad.
and immune compromised going forward. Unfortunately it is just another >addition to a too long list of such infections.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 20:36:49 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/21/25 20:16, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:08:54 -0700, Paul S Person
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born >>>>>>> spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born >>>>>>> citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be >>>>>>> Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border >>>>>> 30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment >>>>>> that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded
for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a
hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all
US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from
my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the >>>> list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
Generally when my parents (and infant me) lived in the US she just
carried her US social security card - as did my father in Canada
before his naturalization. Both of them had drivers' licences and the
usual range of common documents.
After she was permanently in Canada, the only time she ever had dark
skin was immediately after spending 6 weeks in southern California
during her vacations or when attending the Tucson gem show (we were in
the jeweller's tool business). She did have black hair but I've never
had anyone think she was Hispanic (though she did die in AZ after
being run over by a runaway motor vehicle in a parking lot).
I would be surprised to be thought Hispanic nor would my brother.
That last is a confusing sentence and likely you would not be thought >> of as Hispanic-American but the ICE is like insane. They violate the law in >> seizing any immigrant even those with US Green Cards and Permanent
Resident status. They tossed a Canadian in jail for over 2 weeks.
Stephen Miller has set the ICE a quota and they are not too careful
about how they fill it.
And yet the latest report I have read had Trump deporting /fewer
people/ each month than Obama. A lot fewer.
An earlier report made the same point about Biden.
As you note and I have noted and an article I read online has noted,
the problem is the /sloppiness/ of the effort.
Let me be clear on this: if the law is wrong, it must be changed, not ignored. Anyone opposing ICE because they are enforcing the law is
wrong. Anyone opposing ICE because of the /way/ they are doing it is
right on.
And keep in mind that it is often not the worker bees who require the
bad behavior. It is often their supervisors, a chain that leads all
the way up to Trump. Who, as President, is responsible for everything
the Federal Government (civilian and military) does.
That last is a confusing sentence and likely you would not be thought
of as Hispanic-American but the ICE is like insane. They violate the law in >seizing any immigrant even those with US Green Cards and Permanent
Resident status. They tossed a Canadian in jail for over 2 weeks.
My 86 year old father just passed away two weeks ago from an inoperable >ruptured gall bladder. It was not covid related even he had had covid
twice that I know of.
IIRC, I suggested at the time that COVID shots would eventually become
part of the annual flue shot.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 08:59:28 -0700, Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
IIRC, I suggested at the time that COVID shots would eventually becomeThat's the case now but at most 20% get the shots now.
part of the annual flue shot.
I did so faithfully until our chief provincial health officer (who was responsible for COVID response) said it wasn't needed but helpful.
On 7/22/25 08:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 20:36:49 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/21/25 20:16, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:08:54 -0700, Paul S Person
<[email protected]d> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 09:11:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/20/25 08:49, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 18:21:29 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<[email protected]> wrote:
Uh, no, ICE is currently arresting and deporting non-American born >>>>>>>> spouses of US citizens. Along with naturalized non-American born >>>>>>>> citizens. And Hispanics or those who just look like they might be >>>>>>>> Hispanic regardless of citizenship.
Wow - 60 years ago that could have been my mother (who was from
Vancouver, my father from the border town nearest the Canada-US border >>>>>>> 30 miles south of Vancouver on the US side)
Of course English was her first language so in the present environment >>>>>>> that might be a plus.
As long as she did not tan very dark she might be safe.
But with the present administration make sure you have your
citizenship documents.
Citizenship documents? I now have to carry around my birth
certificate? Would it even be accepted, since RealID was not in at
least one reported case?
Everybody understands that having to "show your papers" when demanded >>>>> for any or no reason (as opposed to a reasonable cause request) is a >>>>> hallmark of, if not totalitarianism, then at least a police state,
right?
And, anyway, if the Orange Taco reallly /has/ compiled a list of all >>>>> US Citizens, his minions can use their cell phones to look me up from >>>>> my (ordinary) driver's licence and see for themselves that I am on the >>>>> list.
If he's going to compile such a list, we need to demand that his
minions /use/ the list and treat it as authoritative.
Generally when my parents (and infant me) lived in the US she just
carried her US social security card - as did my father in Canada
before his naturalization. Both of them had drivers' licences and the
usual range of common documents.
After she was permanently in Canada, the only time she ever had dark
skin was immediately after spending 6 weeks in southern California
during her vacations or when attending the Tucson gem show (we were in >>>> the jeweller's tool business). She did have black hair but I've never
had anyone think she was Hispanic (though she did die in AZ after
being run over by a runaway motor vehicle in a parking lot).
I would be surprised to be thought Hispanic nor would my brother.
That last is a confusing sentence and likely you would not be thought >>> of as Hispanic-American but the ICE is like insane. They violate the law in
seizing any immigrant even those with US Green Cards and Permanent
Resident status. They tossed a Canadian in jail for over 2 weeks.
Stephen Miller has set the ICE a quota and they are not too careful
about how they fill it.
And yet the latest report I have read had Trump deporting /fewer
people/ each month than Obama. A lot fewer.
An earlier report made the same point about Biden.
As you note and I have noted and an article I read online has noted,
the problem is the /sloppiness/ of the effort.
Let me be clear on this: if the law is wrong, it must be changed, not
ignored. Anyone opposing ICE because they are enforcing the law is
wrong. Anyone opposing ICE because of the /way/ they are doing it is
right on.
And keep in mind that it is often not the worker bees who require the
bad behavior. It is often their supervisors, a chain that leads all
the way up to Trump. Who, as President, is responsible for everything
the Federal Government (civilian and military) does.
I just saw today a report on the arrest by ICE of a young man of a brown
complexion who had his military papers with him and was pulled out of his
car and held for several days. He had served in wartime overseas and why >should he be subject to this unwarranted detenion.
On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 12:02:08 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<[email protected]> wrote:
My 86 year old father just passed away two weeks ago from an inoperable
ruptured gall bladder. It was not covid related even he had had covid
twice that I know of.
My late wife (died March 2022) got a post-mortem COVID test (which the coroner's office just went ahead and did without bothering to ask me)
and on the basis of a positive result made cause of death COVID on the
death certificate. My GP told me that "people simply don't die of
COVID the way you describe her having died" and told me the symptoms described suggested cardiac arrest which is something both had issues
with (which my mother in law survived, father in law didn't)
In the there ain't no justice department, the Father started the drug >business out of his car dealership, selling oxy and hydromorphone.
Johnny, who depended on his father, was brought in when daddy couldn't
be at the shop. Daddy, who is not mentally challenged, had no trouble >passing the citizenship exams, and hence was not deported - though his
crime was more serious - because he's now a good American citizen. I
suspect that a decent lawyer could have got Johnny off on diminished >responsibility. He had no prior record of arrests.
Surprised you didn't run across these stories. They got a certain
amount of play in the Canadian media.
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