• Re: As an inveterate waster of time,

    From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu Jun 12 20:55:20 2025
    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by Isaac >Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A
    doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the Enlightenment? That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular science
    works and not his SF.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jun 13 07:31:48 2025
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:55:20 -0400 (EDT), Scott Dorsey wrote:

    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by Isaac >>Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A
    doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.
    --scott

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Fri Jun 13 14:04:32 2025
    Charles Packer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by Isaac >>>Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A >>>doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.
    --scott

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    "Hanging Lincoln" [1] is an visual phenomenon. LINCOLN IN DALIVISION [2] popularizes it.
    It was recently my pleasure to indoctrinate a female artist half my
    age into Dali's Magic Realism [3]. Although as a child Dali's art scared
    her, as an adult artist, he now inspires her (thanks to me).

    Open question: Is "Hanging Lincoln" more captivating than visual vixen
    "Lenna" [4]?

    [1] <https://michaelbach.de/ot/fcs-mosaic/>
    [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision>
    [3] <http://tendreams.org/magic4.htm>
    [4] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna>

    ObSF:

    (repost of an earlier article)

    "Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!"

    "Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life."

    "To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
    For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,"

    Suppose God delivers the afterlife you crave. For instance, if you don't believe in an afterlife, then your afterlife is nihility itself. You get nonexistence because you want it.
    An afterlife qualifies as posthuman on a most personal level. All of
    which brings us to _babylon sisters and other posthumans_ (di filippo).
    Or, more specifically, to a short story in the di filippo collection
    called "a short course in art appreciation."
    In the story, a peptidergic pill induces a physiological, perceptual
    change in users. They experience a different "perceptiverse" based upon
    the pill ingested. A Dali pill delivers a Dali environment. A Vermeer
    pill provides a Vermeer perceptiverse, and so on. As art aficionado
    Alena enthuses:

    "By taking this new neurotropin we'll be enabled to see not
    /like/ Rembrandt, but as if /inhabiting/ Rembrandt's canvases!"

    There's a hitch, of course. A hitch to provide story tension.

    Danke,

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    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jun 13 09:59:18 2025
    On 6/13/25 09:40, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Charles Packer <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:55:20 -0400 (EDT), Scott Dorsey wrote:

    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by Isaac >>>> Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A
    doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    Yes, and why "hanging?"
    --scott

    Because it is in a museum or gallery and it is a work by Dali employing mosaic techniques. You have to stand back to see Lincoln or use a
    special lens to view
    Lincoln in this work. It is a painting hanging on a wall or a
    lithograph similarly
    mounted.
    It may be that the term "cursed" is used because the lithographs are extensively
    forged by profiteers.
    Just from the URL given in an earlier post.

    bliss

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jun 13 12:40:27 2025
    Charles Packer <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 20:55:20 -0400 (EDT), Scott Dorsey wrote:

    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by Isaac >>>Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A >>>doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    Yes, and why "hanging?"
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri Jun 13 22:48:04 2025
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Charles Packer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by >>>>>> Isaac
    Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A >>>>>> doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    Yes, and why "hanging?"
    --scott

        Because it is in a museum or gallery and it is a work by Dali
    employing mosaic techniques. You have to stand back to see Lincoln or
    use a special lens to view
    Lincoln in this work.  It is a painting hanging on a wall or a
    lithograph similarly
    mounted.
        It may be that the term "cursed" is used because the lithographs
    are extensively
    forged by profiteers.
        Just from the URL given in an earlier post.

        bliss

    I think this may be relevant:

    I think this may be relevant:

    https://www.buscalibre.us/libro-dali/9788477000877/p/55043140

    Shows a Spanish book about Dali, with Asimov listed as the author.
    Its not in any of the online Asimov bibliographies, but I
    wonder if the comment author was referencing it.

    There's a typo in busclaibre's database. A couple of authors named
    Torroella and Casado wrote DALI:

    "Escrito por Rafael Santos Torroella y Maria Jose Casado"

    <https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31806044900>

    The philosophy of Asimov is apparently averse to the abstractions of surrealism. In my not so humble opinion as a big fan of both Poe and
    Uspensky, the latter two would fully embrace Dali without reservation.

    Thank you William. This thread did not waste my time. On the other hand,
    your very own mileage may vary.

    Danke,

    --
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    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Jun 13 23:47:30 2025
    In article <102iavu$3o0ct$[email protected]>,
    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    Don wrote:
    Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Charles Packer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by >>>>>>>> Isaac
    Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A >>>>>>>> doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular >>>>>>> science works and not his SF.

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    Yes, and why "hanging?"
    --scott

        Because it is in a museum or gallery and it is a work by Dali >>>> employing mosaic techniques. You have to stand back to see Lincoln or
    use a special lens to view
    Lincoln in this work.  It is a painting hanging on a wall or a
    lithograph similarly
    mounted.
        It may be that the term "cursed" is used because the lithographs >>>> are extensively
    forged by profiteers.
        Just from the URL given in an earlier post.

        bliss

    I think this may be relevant:

    I think this may be relevant:

    https://www.buscalibre.us/libro-dali/9788477000877/p/55043140

    Shows a Spanish book about Dali, with Asimov listed as the author.
    Its not in any of the online Asimov bibliographies, but I
    wonder if the comment author was referencing it.

    There's a typo in busclaibre's database. A couple of authors named
    Torroella and Casado wrote DALI:

    "Escrito por Rafael Santos Torroella y Maria Jose Casado"

    <https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31806044900>

    The philosophy of Asimov is apparently averse to the abstractions of
    surrealism. In my not so humble opinion as a big fan of both Poe and
    Uspensky, the latter two would fully embrace Dali without reservation.

    Thank you William. This thread did not waste my time. On the other hand,
    your very own mileage may vary.

    Asimov rarely if ever mentions art in his writings.

    If any SF writer who was not himself an artist were to write about Dali,
    I'd expect it to be J.G. Ballard.

    I have a distinct memory of Orwell writing about Dali, disapprovingly.


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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Don on Sun Jun 15 07:58:53 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 14:04:32 -0000 (UTC), Don wrote:

    Charles Packer wrote:
    Scott Dorsey wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    I read youtube comments now and again.

    "The worst unison. And fascism. Like the hanging Lincoln cursed by >>>>Isaac Asimov."

    That is a google translation from an Asian language, but what is Dr A >>>>doing there?

    Perhaps he is a symbol of precision and the Philosophy of the
    Enlightenment?
    That would seem reasonable from someone who knew only his popular
    science works and not his SF.
    --scott

    So what has Lincoln got to do with it?

    "Hanging Lincoln" [1] is an visual phenomenon. LINCOLN IN DALIVISION [2] popularizes it.
    It was recently my pleasure to indoctrinate a female artist half my
    age into Dali's Magic Realism [3]. Although as a child Dali's art scared
    her, as an adult artist, he now inspires her (thanks to me).

    Open question: Is "Hanging Lincoln" more captivating than visual vixen "Lenna" [4]?

    [1] <https://michaelbach.de/ot/fcs-mosaic/>
    [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision>
    [3] <http://tendreams.org/magic4.htm>
    [4] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna>

    ObSF:

    (repost of an earlier article)

    "Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!"

    "Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life."

    "To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
    For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,"

    Suppose God delivers the afterlife you crave. For instance, if you don't believe in an afterlife, then your afterlife is nihility itself. You get nonexistence because you want it.
    An afterlife qualifies as posthuman on a most personal level. All of which brings us to _babylon sisters and other posthumans_ (di filippo).
    Or, more specifically, to a short story in the di filippo collection
    called "a short course in art appreciation."
    In the story, a peptidergic pill induces a physiological, perceptual change in users. They experience a different "perceptiverse" based upon
    the pill ingested. A Dali pill delivers a Dali environment. A Vermeer
    pill provides a Vermeer perceptiverse, and so on. As art aficionado
    Alena enthuses:

    "By taking this new neurotropin we'll be enabled to see not /like/
    Rembrandt, but as if /inhabiting/ Rembrandt's canvases!"

    There's a hitch, of course. A hitch to provide story tension.


    Fascinating thread. I have more than average familiarity with
    Dali's work -- and the journalism about art counterfeiting --
    and I can't recall ever having heard of this image. Now about
    the "homage to Rothko" part -- I recall reading that Rothko said
    of his own work that the ideal distance from which to view it
    is 18 inches...

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 15 13:44:51 2025
    In the story, a peptidergic pill induces a physiological, perceptual
    change in users. They experience a different "perceptiverse" based upon
    the pill ingested. A Dali pill delivers a Dali environment. A Vermeer
    pill provides a Vermeer perceptiverse, and so on. As art aficionado
    Alena enthuses:

    "By taking this new neurotropin we'll be enabled to see not /like/
    Rembrandt, but as if /inhabiting/ Rembrandt's canvases!"

    There's a hitch, of course. A hitch to provide story tension.

    Don't take the Picasso or Duchamp pills before driving.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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