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  • Re: Robert Heinlein SF writer fans

    From Gary R. Schmidt@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Feb 21 23:05:14 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 21/2/25 17:26, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

    [SNIP]
    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

    "The Rolling Stones", ITYM.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 21 13:29:38 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <vp96ag$39f7o$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?



    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >>inspired by "Red Planet".


    Just as an aside, in his story of the making of "Tribbles",
    Gerrold mentioned that he corresponded with Heinlein about the flatcats,
    and Heinlein told him they were actually inspired by another story
    "Pigs Is Pigs".

    A year or two ago, I found out that Disney actually made an animated
    adaption of *that* tale, which is here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXlF3sa9xs


    I should probably mention that the style is a bit experimental for Disney, which they did a bit in the 50s. Probably some UPA influence in there
    too.
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Fri Feb 21 13:19:47 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    In article <vp96ag$39f7o$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?



    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >inspired by "Red Planet".


    Just as an aside, in his story of the making of "Tribbles",
    Gerrold mentioned that he corresponded with Heinlein about the flatcats,
    and Heinlein told him they were actually inspired by another story
    "Pigs Is Pigs".

    A year or two ago, I found out that Disney actually made an animated
    adaption of *that* tale, which is here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYXlF3sa9xs

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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Don@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Feb 21 14:36:37 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

    For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
    inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

    "Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For Love".

    "Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday". Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is his.

    "Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A
    Harsh Mistress".

    "Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

    Do you disagree with me ? Got any more ?

    My followup commences with a biographical trigger for the sake of my
    readers who are unfamiliar with author Hans G Schantz. Authors John C
    Wright and Theodore Beale currently populate Schantz's literary circle.

    Schantz wrote a Young Adult trilogy called THE HIDDEN TRUTH. Afterward
    he discovered the hidden truth about publishing's paltry pay for the preponderance of USAIDless penpushers - a literal lesson learned
    by me personally decades ago. We're in good company as E A Poe also
    lamented about this very topic.

    For the time being, Schantz sacrifices his scribal soft spot to
    financially provide for his young family. EMPIRE OF THE AIR by Tom
    Lewis informs him. In my case it's THE BOY WHO INVENTED TELEVISION by
    Paul Schatzkin.

    We both seem to be on a coherent wavelength in regards to what we like
    about Robert Heinlein:

    Unfortunately, there's not much science fiction written
    from the perspective of an entrepreneur or businessman.
    Writing is a notoriously poorly paid line of work, and a
    truly successful entrepreneur, inventor, or businessman is
    unlikely to make as much from writing as from a successful
    start-up. Further, the demands of entrepreneurship and
    family responsibilities leave little time for writing.
    Still, a few science fiction works I've come across do
    touch on the inherent drama and excitement of business
    and technical entrepreneurship.
    Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy has its moments,
    portraying the business dealings of interstellar Free
    Traders and the inner machinations of a large corporation.

    Heinlein reportedly intended the matriarchal Free Traders as an allegory
    for Communism. Yet Free Trader culture is the most appealing part of the
    story for me, and crony Capitalism the least.

    Danke,

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Feb 21 16:02:34 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

    I seem to remember that Gerrold's _War Against the Chtorr_ was
    influenced by Heinlein, but it's been too long for me to remember
    any details. Did Jim McCarthy have a civics teacher like Rico's in
    _Starship Troopers_?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Fri Feb 21 17:44:41 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> writes:
    On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely
    inspired by "Red Planet".

    Gerrold himself claims it was inspired by a pink fuzz on his
    key ring and the australian experience with rabbit overpopulation.

    And if there were RAH influences, they would have been from
    _The Rolling Stones_ not _Red Planet_ with which there were
    a number of similarities, enough to seek a waiver from the
    RAH.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Feb 21 10:06:01 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    In article <dY2uP.1040576$[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

    Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> writes:
    On 2025-02-21, Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely >> inspired by "Red Planet".

    Gerrold himself claims it was inspired by a pink fuzz on his
    key ring and the australian experience with rabbit overpopulation.

    And if there were RAH influences, they would have been from
    _The Rolling Stones_ not _Red Planet_ with which there were
    a number of similarities, enough to seek a waiver from the
    RAH.

    According to the version of this I heard, Heinlein pointed out that his inspiration was "Pigs is Pigs"
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigs_Is_Pigs), which I had read before
    the initial showing of "Trouble with Tribbles".

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Feb 27 12:43:39 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    On 2/21/2025 1:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

    [list snipped]

    Do you disagree with me ?  Got any more ?

    E. William Brown's _Perilous Waif_ (2017) (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2453113) read like a cross
    between a Heinlein juvenile and _Friday_. It built on the more enjoyable
    parts of his portal fantasy series "Daniel Black" and his Naruto fan
    fiction "Time Braid" (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5193644/1/Time-Braid)
    while omitting most of the less enjoyable parts.

    For reference purposes, the parts that I found enjoyable in Brown's
    works were:

    1. World-building and the magic system in "Daniel Black"
    2. "Progression fantasy" elements in "Time Braid"

    The less enjoyable parts were:

    1. "Harem" elements, including sex scenes
    2. Mind control and torture elements in "Time Braid"

    I haven't read his "gamelit" novel _The Jungles of Alabama_ (2023) (also available as a Royal Road serial at https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/62643/the-jungles-of-alabama) yet.

    Finally, as I wrote a couple of months ago:

    The _Worm_/_Perilous Waif_ crossover "The Visitor" which he posted
    online in 2021 (https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/shapers-plot-bunny-farm.11318/page-8#post-4067199
    , requires a free account to access) was also fun (beware of spoilers
    for both universes.) His standalone _Worm_ fanfic _Moon Shot_ (https://forum.questionablequesting.com/threads/moon-shot.14085/) was
    decent as well.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Mar 1 21:46:11 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein

    In article <vq0dss$fp2n$[email protected]>,
    Lynn McGuire <[email protected]> wrote:

    On 2/21/2025 12:26 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Is there a list of Robert Heinlein SF writer fans anywhere ?

    For instance, "The Tar-Ayim Krang" by Alan Dean Foster looks to be
    inspired by "Citizen Of The Galaxy".

    "Red Thunder" by John Varley looks to be inspired by "Time Enough For Love".

    "Saturn's Children" by Charles Stross looks to be inspired by "Friday". Stross told me that every SF writer has a Heinlein book and this one is his.

    "Darkship Thieves" by Sarah Hoyt looks to be inspired by "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress".

    "Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by "Starship Troopers".

    David Gerrold's "Trouble With Tribbles" Star Trek episode was definitely inspired by "Red Planet".

    Do you disagree with me ?  Got any more ?

    Thanks,
    Lynn

    "Starswarm" by Jerry Pournelle looks to be inspired by Heinlein's "Red Planet", "Farmer In The Sky", or "Space Cadet".
    https://www.amazon.com/Starswarm-Jerry-Pournelle/dp/0812538935/


    It was part of a series of books published by Tor that were patterned
    after Heinlein's juveniles, see (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jupiter_novels). OTOH,
    Sheffield's _The Billion Dollar Boy_ bears significant similarities to Kiplings's _Captains Courageous_.

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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. —-----------------------------------------------------
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