• Re: Finding new (to you) SFF to read

    From D@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Mon Nov 11 17:12:22 2024
    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Tony Nance wrote:

    So picture yourself in a closely parallel universe:

    You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
    you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
    hard to sift through it all.

    For many years you've been very successfully using
    an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
    as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
    to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
    with those who participate in the newsgroup.

    But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
    you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
    sifting with 1-2 other sources.

    Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
    - Tony

    From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
    I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
    mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through mastodon.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to [email protected] on Mon Nov 11 16:50:11 2024
    In article <[email protected]>,
    D <[email protected]> wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Tony Nance wrote:

    So picture yourself in a closely parallel universe:

    You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
    you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
    hard to sift through it all.

    For many years you've been very successfully using
    an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
    as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
    to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
    with those who participate in the newsgroup.

    But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
    you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
    sifting with 1-2 other sources.

    Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
    - Tony

    From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
    I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
    mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through >mastodon.


    Often nowadays an author will ask you to subscribe to his/her mailing
    list and will often pitch favorite books by other authors. I've
    gotten a number of decent reads from such recommendations. Of
    course you have to factor in that sometimes it's just going to be
    a shout out for a buddy. I find that in general the authors I've
    subscribed to are pretty good about not spamming all over the place,
    but I'm sure there are those who do.

    And of course soon, "Write me a book I will like" will be a valid AI prompt... --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Tue Nov 12 00:27:29 2024
    Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:

    But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
    you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
    sifting with 1-2 other sources.

    Where do you go to help you find new things to read?

    I read everything nominated for a Hugo or a Nebula, and everything
    that I can published by NESFA Press.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Thu Nov 14 08:02:55 2024
    On 11 Nov 2024 16:50:11 GMT, [email protected] (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <[email protected]>,
    D <[email protected]> wrote:


    On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Tony Nance wrote:

    So picture yourself in a closely parallel universe:

    You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
    you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
    hard to sift through it all.

    For many years you've been very successfully using
    an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
    as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
    to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
    with those who participate in the newsgroup.

    But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
    you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
    sifting with 1-2 other sources.

    Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
    - Tony

    From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org). >>I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone >>mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through >>mastodon.


    Often nowadays an author will ask you to subscribe to his/her mailing
    list and will often pitch favorite books by other authors. I've
    gotten a number of decent reads from such recommendations. Of
    course you have to factor in that sometimes it's just going to be
    a shout out for a buddy. I find that in general the authors I've
    subscribed to are pretty good about not spamming all over the place,
    but I'm sure there are those who do.

    And of course soon, "Write me a book I will like" will be a valid AI prompt...

    I suspect it's a valid input /right now/. Or have you tried and found
    it was rejected?

    Whether anything worth reading would result is, of course, a different
    issue. For /that/ we may have to wait a long, long time. Hopefully.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sun Nov 17 18:54:45 2024
    On 11/13/2024 9:10 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/13/2024 7:18 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
    On 11/11/24 6:16 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/11/2024 10:00 AM, Tony Nance wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Where do you go to help you find new things to read?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/

    Excellent - thanks!

    There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit BTW.
    I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).  Here is another one:

       https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/

    Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
    knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
    and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In theory,
    it covers all types of *published* speculative books/magazines, but most discussions are about science fiction.

    /r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
    kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
    however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors vary greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors. Also, it
    is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series that will make
    me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one crying with [author
    name's] books?".

    /r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of John
    C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_ (2011-2013,
    1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm_(web_serial) has
    a plot outline, which includes massive spoilers. (Note that _Worm_
    spoilers are a very big deal because the serial is one huge secret
    history, which we learn about one layer at a time.)

    Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
    superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
    even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
    fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
    _Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some are
    after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point more
    than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.

    The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
    different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
    moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits imposed
    on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity occasionally
    makes it a challenge.

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Sun Nov 24 11:19:15 2024
    On 11/22/2024 3:51 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    Also thanks for the info about Worm (below). I'm not big on fanfiction,
    but I fully expect to give Worm itself a try some time.

    Much depends on how we define "fanfiction". Authors writing sequels to
    works by other authors goes way back. In the 19th century, Jules Verne
    wrote a sequel to Edgar Allan Poe's _The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym
    of Nantucket_ and a sequel to Johann David Wyss's _The Swiss Family
    Robinson_. In the 1930s, H. P. Lovecraft opened the Cthulhu Cycle to his friends and correspondents and the resulting universe has been going
    strong ever since. L. Sprague de Camp, Lin Carter and others revived
    Robert E. Howard's Conan years after Howard's death and turned it into a
    major franchise in the 1950s-1980s. Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Superman,
    Batman, Spiderman and other popular characters have been done by
    hundreds (if not thousands) of professional authors. Etc.

    On the crossover side -- crossovers are the bread and butter of
    fanfiction -- Jules Verne's _The Mysterious Island_ (1875) was a
    crossover between two of his better known novels. _The Petrified Planet_
    (1952) was explicitly designed as a playground for multiple authors. So
    was, a quarter century later, _Thieves' World_, whose success encouraged
    other "shared worlds" which took off in the 1980s. DC's _Zatanna's
    Search_ was a crossover series in 1964-1967. Marvel's semi-regular
    crossover series started in 1984 with _Secret Wars_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars).

    If we limit "fanfiction" to amateur works, then it was the Star Trek
    fandom that popularized it in the early 1970s. When the term "Mary Sue"
    was coined in 1973 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue), it was to
    describe what was already a well known phenomenon. By the early 1990s
    crossover fanfics were common on Usenet -- see _The Universal Science
    Fiction Parody_ (http://www.eyrie.net/derek/JuraiNet/USFP/index.html), explicitly a parody of "vs" debates and crossover fics. When Usenet
    became widely available via AOL and then via the internet in 1993-1994,
    fanfics began spreading online. Some years later, in the 2000s and
    2010s, high speed internet made it easier to access all kinds of media
    -- anime, books, comics, games, etc -- which created further incentives
    for writing and reading fanfiction.

    Re: fanfic's quality, I can handle indifferently (sometimes even poorly) written stories as long as they contain elements that I am interested
    in. After all, almost all magazine science fiction published prior to
    the first Golden Age (1939-1942) was objectively poorly written, but it contained elements that attracted a certain type of reader and,
    eventually, led to much bigger and better things.

    The Worm fandom is somewhat unusual compared to other fandoms, perhaps
    because most canon characters vary from "deeply flawed" to "makes Dr.
    Josef Mengele vomit" for reasons that become clear later on. It attracts
    both fanfic authors who want to make everything better (like the author
    of _Taylor Varga_ mentioned earlier) and authors who want to write
    depressed, flawed, messed up, etc characters.

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 25 21:07:44 2024
    On 11/25/2024 5:56 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/24/2024 10:19 AM, Ahasuerus wrote:
    ...
    The Worm fandom is somewhat unusual compared to other fandoms, perhaps
    because most canon characters vary from "deeply flawed" to "makes Dr.
    Josef Mengele vomit" for reasons that become clear later on. It
    attracts both fanfic authors who want to make everything better (like
    the author of _Taylor Varga_ mentioned earlier) and authors who want
    to write depressed, flawed, messed up, etc characters.

    The author of "Taylor Varga" also wrote this story which is quite dark:

    https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12405120/1/She-Summons-Sea-Things-by-the- Sea-Shore

    From

    https://wormstorysearch.com/? is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=mp3&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true

    Checking my notes, I see that I have read (or attempted to read) 15 of
    the 17 listed stories. My favorite is the novella _Insect Outside_ (21K
    words, https://archiveofourown.org/works/11861061/chapters/26780430),
    which is a bit longer than it has to be, but it does "optimistic
    existential terror" and "involuntary transhumanism" quite well. "She
    Summons Sea Things by the Sea Shore" is, at 8K words, also a bit longer
    than strictly necessary, but is decent-to-good otherwise.

    I gave the rest of mp3.1415payer's fics anywhere between 5/10 and 5.8/10
    where "5/10" is "mediocre" and "6/10" is "decent". Mind you, even his
    mediocre fics have memorable and/or amusing moments now and then:

    They said the best revenge was living well. It was possible they were
    wrong, and the best revenge was *revenge*, but Taylor was willing to
    give the first option a try. For now. ["Vespa"]

    but they drown in a sea of giggles and repetitive mutual back-patting.

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