No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire�s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
The People's Republic of China, which was a strong supporter of the
nightmare that is North Korea.
The United States of America, since it has influenced South Korean
culture greatly, leading to several Christian denominations being
active in the country.
Of course, though, the USA is not an evil empire.
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
In article <[email protected]>,
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the
cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,Is the image directly below "I suppose we will never know what those
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
models were." only visible to me?
In article <[email protected]>,
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the
cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
On 10/16/24 09:50, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,For firmly read "by martial law and humiliation" of the Koreans.
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
Korea has a long history of division and rulers who wished to be
treated like gods and were as remote as possible from the people
who did the work which was much like Japan before it was really
opened to the West in 1945. Japan has mounted military expeditions
to Korea for various reasons from Imperial expansion to simply
piracy.
Japanese had traveled to the West around the time of the
Meji Restoration but they did not bring many democratic ideals
back with them. They were after western science and technoly in
order to create a powerful state to contest for control of Asia
with the West.
After Meji and after the death of his son. Young Hirohito came
to power influenced by the State Shinto cult and the militarists
who wished to expand their power on the Asian continent.
Shortly they usurped the Civilian Govenment and assassinted leaders
opposed to the rush to War in China then with the Pacific
Powers who finally allied to oppose the Imperial Japanese Army, of
which the Navy was a subordinate branch, led by the USA after Pearl
Harbor. Which is when the Allies in the Pacific began to make
progress.
Korea and Taiwan were quite happy to throw off the Japanese
rule. And as in the past the Korean Peninsula split into warring
states. And the result of the Japanese Colonization is emnity
by both the North and South Koreas toward their island neighbors.
I read about this stuff because I developed an interest in manga
and Japanese anime and wanted to understand the background of the
images and ideas.
In article <[email protected]>,
Bobbie Sellers <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/16/24 09:50, Robert Woodward wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,For firmly read "by martial law and humiliation" of the Koreans.
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in >>>> mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
Korea has a long history of division and rulers who wished to be
treated like gods and were as remote as possible from the people
who did the work which was much like Japan before it was really
opened to the West in 1945. Japan has mounted military expeditions
to Korea for various reasons from Imperial expansion to simply
piracy.
Japanese had traveled to the West around the time of the
Meji Restoration but they did not bring many democratic ideals
back with them. They were after western science and technoly in
order to create a powerful state to contest for control of Asia
with the West.
After Meji and after the death of his son. Young Hirohito came
to power influenced by the State Shinto cult and the militarists
who wished to expand their power on the Asian continent.
Shortly they usurped the Civilian Govenment and assassinted leaders
opposed to the rush to War in China then with the Pacific
Powers who finally allied to oppose the Imperial Japanese Army, of
which the Navy was a subordinate branch, led by the USA after Pearl
Harbor. Which is when the Allies in the Pacific began to make
progress.
Korea and Taiwan were quite happy to throw off the Japanese
rule. And as in the past the Korean Peninsula split into warring
states. And the result of the Japanese Colonization is emnity
by both the North and South Koreas toward their island neighbors.
I read about this stuff because I developed an interest in manga
and Japanese anime and wanted to understand the background of the
images and ideas.
Back in August, I reviewed Showa: A History of Japan by Shigeru Mizuki,
which covers Hirohito's reign, as witnessed by Mizuki.
One interesting aspect is that Mizuki portrays himself as an
absolute knucklehead, the sort of fellow who would, on finding
himself stuck with boring band duty during WW II, request a
transfer because he was unaware this would involve being sent to
the front.
On 10/16/24 3:26 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
On 2024-10-16, James Nicoll <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,Is the image directly below "I suppose we will never know what those
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>>>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in >>>>> mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from >>>> the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
models were." only visible to me?
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to
interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very non-conclusive.)
Are you maybe looking at this on your phone? On my 15" laptop screen,
it's pretty clearly labeled - "Japan and Korea" in the lower left, for example. "Sea of Japan" is larger, just "northeast" of the center, and
the letters J A P A N are larger yet, along the right/east boundary of
Japan.
On 2024-10-16, Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/16/24 3:26 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
On 2024-10-16, James Nicoll <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,Is the image directly below "I suppose we will never know what those
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>>>>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire�s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in >>>>>> mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from >>>>> the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
models were." only visible to me?
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to
interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very non-conclusive.)
Are you maybe looking at this on your phone? On my 15" laptop screen,
it's pretty clearly labeled - "Japan and Korea" in the lower left, for
example. "Sea of Japan" is larger, just "northeast" of the center, and
the letters J A P A N are larger yet, along the right/east boundary of
Japan.
Hmm... Old equipment on both ends. 27 inch HDMI monitor, but one of the >first ones with undoubtedly lower resolution. And my eyes on the other end >are getting poorer; cataract surgery is looming and it's getting difficult
to read hard copy books. I do most of my reading on this monitor these days.
On 2024-10-16, James Nicoll <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,Is the image directly below "I suppose we will never know what those
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >>>> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire�s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in >>>> mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from >>>the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
models were." only visible to me?
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to
interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very non-conclusive.)
On 16 Oct 2024 19:26:54 GMT, Chris Buckley <[email protected]> wrote:
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace <snip>
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to
interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very non-conclusive.)
The left map appears to be showing various political entities in the
general area of Korea. It might be useful with some Korean historical
movies set a century or two ago.
The right map shows Japan and Korea. Close, aren't they?
But neither really /implicates/ Japan, as far as I can tell.
In article <[email protected]>,
Robert Woodward <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <[email protected]>,
quadibloc <[email protected]> wrote:
No doubt the comment in your review,
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace the >> cultures and religions of neighboring countries with the Empire’s
hegemonic culture? It seems almost as though Kim has specific models in
mind. I suppose we will never know what those models were."
was intended as a joke, and was written with tongue in cheek.
I can think of two candidates off the top of my head, of course.
And I thought of ONE direct example off the top of my head. Japan from
the late 19th century to the end of WWII ruled Korea ... firmly.
Is the image directly below "I suppose we will never know what those
models were." only visible to me?
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:55:22 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:replace
On 16 Oct 2024 19:26:54 GMT, Chris Buckley <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to =
<snip>non-conclusive.)
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to >>>>interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very =
The left map appears to be showing various political entities in the >>>general area of Korea. It might be useful with some Korean historical >>>movies set a century or two ago.
The right map shows Japan and Korea. Close, aren't they?
But neither really /implicates/ Japan, as far as I can tell.
This, on the other hand..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshin-ron
in conjunction with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron
Those Korean Historical Movies I mentioned above generally involve
Japan invading Korea at various times in the past. As, indeed, does >/Uprising/, which I streamed yesterday on Netflix.
My point wasn't that Japan didn't abuse Korea; my point was that the
two maps don't implicate Japan. Something else was needed.
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On 16 Oct 2024 19:26:54 GMT, Chris Buckley <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a
relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to replace ><snip>
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to
interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of
the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very non-conclusive.)
The left map appears to be showing various political entities in the >>general area of Korea. It might be useful with some Korean historical >>movies set a century or two ago.
The right map shows Japan and Korea. Close, aren't they?
But neither really /implicates/ Japan, as far as I can tell.
This, on the other hand..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshin-ron
in conjunction with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron
In article <[email protected]>,
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:55:22 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
Paul S Person <[email protected]d> writes:
On 16 Oct 2024 19:26:54 GMT, Chris Buckley <[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
<snip>"I wonder where on Earth a Korean author would get the idea of a >>>>>>> relentlessly expansionist, exploitative empire determined to = >>replace
Unfortunately, it actually requires knowledge of Geography to >>>>>interpret, which may be asking a bit much. (Nothing can be read of >>>>>the image's labels and what the coloring shows is very = >>non-conclusive.)
The left map appears to be showing various political entities in the >>>>general area of Korea. It might be useful with some Korean historical >>>>movies set a century or two ago.
The right map shows Japan and Korea. Close, aren't they?
But neither really /implicates/ Japan, as far as I can tell.
This, on the other hand..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanshin-ron
in conjunction with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokushin-ron
Those Korean Historical Movies I mentioned above generally involve
Japan invading Korea at various times in the past. As, indeed, does >>/Uprising/, which I streamed yesterday on Netflix.
My point wasn't that Japan didn't abuse Korea; my point was that the
two maps don't implicate Japan. Something else was needed.
One map depicts the Four Commanderies of Han, established by China
in Korea. The other depicts Korea as part of the Japanese Empire.
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