I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy.[snip]
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except forthe rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy.The other day a PharmD wrote (https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1fj0aon/books_that_feature_speculative_but_accurate/):
For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than
some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but
the assembly instructions.
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use
bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of
technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of
degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately,
requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular
level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
My response was:
Are you, by chance, familiar with Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy (https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/):
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for
the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
or the similar Gell-Mann amnesia effect (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect)?
Ahasuerus wrote:[snip]
Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy.The other day a PharmD wrote
For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than
some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but
the assembly instructions.
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use
bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of
technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of
degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately,
requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular
level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
(https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1fj0aon/books_that_feature_speculative_but_accurate/):
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
My response was:
Are you, by chance, familiar with Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy
(https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/):
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for
the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
or the similar Gell-Mann amnesia effect
(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect)?
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook.
Edgar Allan Poe (EAP) invented.....
In article <ve9dec$39tdu$[email protected]>, Kevrob <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/7/2024 11:43 AM, Don wrote:
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related >>thrillers? He's a DO.
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>
Don't forget Michael Crichton, who wrote well-crafted biological
near-future science fiction books like Terminal Man, Andromeda
Strain, and so forth before he became too famous to write new stuff.
--scott
--
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related >thrillers? He's a DO.
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook.
Don wrote:
Ahasuerus wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy. >>>> For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than >>>> some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but >>>> the assembly instructions.The other day a PharmD wrote
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use >>>> bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of
technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of
degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately,
requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular
level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
(https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1fj0aon/books_that_feature_speculative_but_accurate/):
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
My response was:
Are you, by chance, familiar with Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy
(https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/):
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for
the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
or the similar Gell-Mann amnesia effect
(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect)?
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook.
Edgar Allan Poe (EAP) invented the detective genre. EAP's sleuth took
the form of Monsieur C. Auguste Dupin, who triumphed through
thoughtfulness. Dupin believed the game of chess suitable for
developing mental prowess.
EAP nemesis Arthur Conan Doyle followed in Poe's footsteps. Doyle
projected his own drug use into Holmes to twist Poe's clear thinking
detective into mysticism. The Poe-Doyle nexus will be covered by me in
the future.
Agatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character,
Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin.
Levinson and Link's Lieutenant Columbo closely follows formula. Is the
show's Peugeot 403 another nod to Poe's Dupin?
Robin Cook's Critical (Cook, 2007) contains a Lieutenant strikingly
similar to Columbo. Cook's hard-science biology is about as good as it
gets these days.
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related thrillers? He's a DO.
Kevrob wrote:
Don wrote:
Ahasuerus wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy. >>>>> For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than >>>>> some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but >>>>> the assembly instructions.The other day a PharmD wrote
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use >>>>> bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of
technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of >>>>> degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately, >>>>> requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular
level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
(https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1fj0aon/books_that_feature_speculative_but_accurate/):
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
My response was:
Are you, by chance, familiar with Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy
(https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/):
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for
the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
or the similar Gell-Mann amnesia effect
(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect)?
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>
Edgar Allan Poe (EAP) invented the detective genre. EAP's sleuth took
the form of Monsieur C. Auguste Dupin, who triumphed through
thoughtfulness. Dupin believed the game of chess suitable for
developing mental prowess.
EAP nemesis Arthur Conan Doyle followed in Poe's footsteps. Doyle
projected his own drug use into Holmes to twist Poe's clear thinking
detective into mysticism. The Poe-Doyle nexus will be covered by me in
the future.
Agatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character,
Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin.
Levinson and Link's Lieutenant Columbo closely follows formula. Is the
show's Peugeot 403 another nod to Poe's Dupin?
Robin Cook's Critical (Cook, 2007) contains a Lieutenant strikingly
similar to Columbo. Cook's hard-science biology is about as good as it
gets these days.
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related
thrillers? He's a DO.
Thank you for the lead. It'll be interesting to see how much Wilson's detective ?Quinn Cleary? follows the formula found above -
ratiocination in the manner of EAP's Dupin. (Ellery Queen also needs to
be read by me.)
My readers may wonder what's so special about Poe's French
detective? French theoretical physicist Pierre Duhem explains the innate superiority of the Gallic mind:
We need logic, the ability to systematize, but we also
need intuition, the recognition of truth. When one of
these is allowed to dominate, we get a science which
is all intuition, all "esprit de finesse," but no
logical coherence, namely, English science; or we get
a science which is all logic, lacking bon sens, namely,
German science. German science then is a degenerate
kind of French science, the latter being predominantly
"esprit de geometrie," corrected by bon sens.
<https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/duhem/>
There's also a French connection as intelligence officer EAP's
grandfather served as Quartermaster General for the Marquis de
Lafayette in the Continental Army. Perhaps EAP's Francophilia
insulted Arthur Conan Doyle.
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God. tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.
In article <vebkmc$f1p$[email protected]>,
Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <ve9dec$39tdu$[email protected]>, Kevrob <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/7/2024 11:43 AM, Don wrote:
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related >>>thrillers? He's a DO.
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>>
Don't forget Michael Crichton, who wrote well-crafted biological >>near-future science fiction books like Terminal Man, Andromeda
Strain, and so forth before he became too famous to write new stuff.
I was aware that he became too dead to write new stuff, but thought he
had kept going up until that point..
In article <ve9dec$39tdu$[email protected]>, Kevrob <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/7/2024 11:43 AM, Don wrote:
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related >>thrillers? He's a DO.
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>
Don't forget Michael Crichton, who wrote well-crafted biological
near-future science fiction books like Terminal Man, Andromeda
Strain, and so forth before he became too famous to write new stuff.
Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote:
In article <ve9dec$39tdu$[email protected]>, Kevrob <[email protected]> wrote:
On 10/7/2024 11:43 AM, Don wrote:
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related >>>thrillers? He's a DO.
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>>
Don't forget Michael Crichton, who wrote well-crafted biological >>near-future science fiction books like Terminal Man, Andromeda
Strain, and so forth before he became too famous to write new stuff.
Epileptics were not super keen on his take on epilepsy in The Terminal
Man.
On 21/09/2024 18:02, Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy.
For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than
some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but
the assembly instructions.
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use
bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of
technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of
degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately,
requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular
level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
One, there are catalysts. Two, it may be
happening for a while before humans realise
there's a problem and then understand it.
It it knocks out 21st century computers,
we're pretty much dead as a civilisation.
On 10/11/24 10:38, Don wrote:
Kevrob wrote:
Don wrote:
Ahasuerus wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
I think authors mess up biology quite often in Science Fiction/Fantasy. >>>>>> For example, IMHO, genetic engineering will be much more difficult than >>>>>> some authors assume because an individual's DNA isn't the blueprint but >>>>>> the assembly instructions.The other day a PharmD wrote
Also, I have seen stories where advanced bio-technic civilizations use >>>>>> bacteria (or multicellular organisms) to wreck havoc on our type of >>>>>> technology. Essentially, they are speeding up rust and other forms of >>>>>> degradation by one or more orders of magnitude. This, unfortunately, >>>>>> requires one of more orders of magnitude more power at the cellular >>>>>> level (probably greater amounts of stored energy as well).
(https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/1fj0aon/books_that_feature_speculative_but_accurate/):
science fiction ... is very sophisticated when it comes to
engineering, astronomy and physics, but when it comes to
biochemistry, medicine and pharmacology, I've yet to encounter
any fiction that gets it right.
My response was:
Are you, by chance, familiar with Knoll's Law of Media Accuracy
(https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/):
everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for >>>>> the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge
or the similar Gell-Mann amnesia effect
(https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect)?
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>>
Edgar Allan Poe (EAP) invented the detective genre. EAP's sleuth took
the form of Monsieur C. Auguste Dupin, who triumphed through
thoughtfulness. Dupin believed the game of chess suitable for
developing mental prowess.
EAP nemesis Arthur Conan Doyle followed in Poe's footsteps. Doyle
projected his own drug use into Holmes to twist Poe's clear thinking
detective into mysticism. The Poe-Doyle nexus will be covered by me in >>>> the future.
Well I find your logic flawed as he was writing about
his mentor in Medical School who used science as tool in detection.
Whether or not that mentor used stimulants is a open question
but the detective he wrote about only used cocaine when he was
bored by the lack of interesting crimes to investigate.
Agatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character,
Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin.
Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with Some imagained
Francophilia.
Please do not leave out Perry Mason who is Sherlockian in his
Levinson and Link's Lieutenant Columbo closely follows formula. Is the >>>> show's Peugeot 403 another nod to Poe's Dupin?
Robin Cook's Critical (Cook, 2007) contains a Lieutenant strikingly
similar to Columbo. Cook's hard-science biology is about as good as it >>>> gets these days.
Cook is a trained M. Have you tried F.Paul Wilson's medical-related
thrillers? He's a DO.
Thank you for the lead. It'll be interesting to see how much Wilson's
detective ?Quinn Cleary? follows the formula found above -
ratiocination in the manner of EAP's Dupin. (Ellery Queen also needs to
be read by me.)
My readers may wonder what's so special about Poe's French
detective? French theoretical physicist Pierre Duhem explains the innate
superiority of the Gallic mind:
We need logic, the ability to systematize, but we also
need intuition, the recognition of truth. When one of
these is allowed to dominate, we get a science which
is all intuition, all "esprit de finesse," but no
logical coherence, namely, English science; or we get
a science which is all logic, lacking bon sens, namely,
German science. German science then is a degenerate
kind of French science, the latter being predominantly
"esprit de geometrie," corrected by bon sens.
<https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/duhem/>
There's also a French connection as intelligence officer EAP's
grandfather served as Quartermaster General for the Marquis de
Lafayette in the Continental Army. Perhaps EAP's Francophilia
insulted Arthur Conan Doyle.
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.
ability to pick the murderer out the crowd of suspects. Paul Drake is
his investigator to determine all the knowable facts of a case.
Earle Stanley Gardener invented him but the books read more like an
outline for scripts. I watched the pre-WW II movies where Perry was
played by a Hispanic-surnamed star and which were largely set in
San Francisco.
Don wrote:
Robin Cook's mentioned at the reddit link. My followup pertains to Cook. >>>>
Edgar Allan Poe (EAP) invented the detective genre. EAP's sleuth took
the form of Monsieur C. Auguste Dupin, who triumphed through
thoughtfulness. Dupin believed the game of chess suitable for
developing mental prowess.
EAP nemesis Arthur Conan Doyle followed in Poe's footsteps. Doyle
projected his own drug use into Holmes to twist Poe's clear thinking
detective into mysticism. The Poe-Doyle nexus will be covered by me in >>>> the future.
Well I find your logic flawed as he was writing about
his mentor in Medical School who used science as tool in detection.
Whether or not that mentor used stimulants is a open question
but the detective he wrote about only used cocaine when he was
bored by the lack of interesting crimes to investigate.
On 11/10/2024 20:03, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Agatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character,
Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's
Dupin.
Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with Some
imagained Francophilia.
Also, he has aeveral unlikeable qualities.
Such as obsession with grooming his moustache.
On 11/10/2024 20:03, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with SomeAgatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character,
Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin. >>
imagained Francophilia.
Also, he has aeveral unlikeable qualities.
Such as obsession with grooming his moustache.
Robert Carnegie wrote:
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Don wrote:
????????Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with SomeAgatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character, >>>>>> Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin. >>>
imagained Francophilia.
Also, he has aeveral unlikeable qualities.
Such as obsession with grooming his moustache.
I found this amusing as a kid, because in Hawaii where I lived at the time, grooming your moustache is a signal that you wish to purchase marijuana.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie wrote:
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Don wrote:
????????Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with SomeAgatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character, >>>>>>> Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin. >>>>
imagained Francophilia.
Also, he has aeveral unlikeable qualities.
Such as obsession with grooming his moustache.
I found this amusing as a kid, because in Hawaii where I lived at the time, >> grooming your moustache is a signal that you wish to purchase marijuana.
A female medical director recently told me about another Hawaiian
flavored signal: the upside down pineapple. You see it on keychain
fobs or on the back windows of cars and trucks. It denotes a swinger.
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. https://crcomp.net/reviews.php telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. Walk humbly with thy God. tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' Make 1984 fiction again.
Don wrote:
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes hisSince you cannot spell my name correctly I will agree to disagree with your opinion on Poirot, Don. It is obvious to me
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their
Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
that you are suffering from a visual handicap so I will not
say that you imagine Francophilia where none exists. I will
further not accuse you of Francophobis
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes hisSince you cannot spell my name correctly I will agree to disagree with
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their
Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
your opinion on Poirot, Don. It is obvious to me
that you are suffering from a visual handicap so I will not
say that you imagine Francophilia where none exists. I will
further not accuse you of Francophobis
A thousand pardons Bobbie. Something unrelated only now occurs, although
it's been there all along. How impolitic of me!
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in
Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard
Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
At the time my little grey cells told me it was wrong. But synonym fossick fatigue forced me to post it as is.
Danke,
Don wrote:
A thousand pardons Bobbie. Something unrelated only now occurs, althoughHave you considered the possibility that you are discounting Belgian culture of the presumed time? Do you remember that he was up
it's been there all along. How impolitic of me!
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in
Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard
Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
At the time my little grey cells told me it was wrong. But synonym
fossick fatigue forced me to post it as is.
Danke,
and coming in the Belgian Police when he encountered a case that it
was un-politic to solve? Now you might make the argument that many
European States and even in the Americas, France was the nation to
look to for fashion and style. But that is not Franco-philia but
the desire for style and to be thought to be fashionably attired
and hair styled in the the latest mode.
Don wrote:
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
William Hyde wrote:
Don wrote:
Bobb[ie] Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his >> > (and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their
Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.
That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
In article <vf3fsl$h0gu$[email protected]>,
William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
Don wrote:
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their
Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot >stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.
That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
Robert Woodward wrote:
William Hyde wrote:
Don wrote:
Bobb[ie] Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his >>> > (and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their
Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot
stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.
That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
It's fun for fiction fans to fuss budget over the nuances of Poirot's >psychological proclivity for French. (Christie's own Francophilia's
beyond doubt, at least for me.)
Regardless, ratiocination's ready to resolve this riddle.
POIROT'S EARLY CASES is a favorite, packed with Poirot parlance. The
stories are splendidly sprinkled with Fench. He uses Mon Dieu! (My God!)
in four of the stories:
"The Affair at the Victory Ball"
'Aha!’ said Poirot. 'Aha! Mon Dieu! Japp, that gives one
to think, does it not?'
"The Double Clue"
'What a woman!’ cried Poirot enthusiastically as we
descended the stairs. 'Mon Dieu, quelle femme!'
"The King of Clubs"
'Mon Dieu, I cannot always be talking blood and thunder!’
"The Lost Mine"
"He turned up that evening - Mon dieu, what a figure!"
"Parbleu!" (Heavens above!) is used in three stories. These examples >illustrate how Poirot reverts to French when surprised. Such behavior >indicates French serves as his mother tongue.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Robert Carnegie wrote:
Bobbie Sellers wrote:
Don wrote:
????????Pardon me but Poirot is a Belgian. Nothing to do with SomeAgatha Christie restored Poe's idealized detective. Her character, >>>>>>> Hercule Poirot, also brings back the Francophilia found in Poe's Dupin. >>>>
imagained Francophilia.
Also, he has aeveral unlikeable qualities.
Such as obsession with grooming his moustache.
I found this amusing as a kid, because in Hawaii where I lived at the time, >> grooming your moustache is a signal that you wish to purchase marijuana.
A female medical director recently told me about another Hawaiian
flavored signal: the upside down pineapple. You see it on keychain
fobs or on the back windows of cars and trucks. It denotes a swinger.
Bobby Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their >Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to
disagree.)
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in
Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard
Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
Don wrote:
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in
Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard >>Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
But he isn't French. He's one of those deepfrying sorts.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot=20 >>stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.=20 >>That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
I think you mean "Francophile". He is, after all, a French-speaking
Belgian. And proud of it.
Don wrote:
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in
Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard >>Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
But he isn't French. He's one of those deepfrying sorts.
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Don wrote:
Allow me to atone. Replace "Francophilia" with "Frenchness." As in >>>Poirot's clear and logical mind demonstrates his Frenchness. Regard >>>Poirot's Francophilia a regretable mistake made in haste to appease
the almighty alliteration.
But he isn't French. He's one of those deepfrying sorts.
Agreed. He isn't French. He doesn't want to be French. Yet he cogitates
with a French mindset. From a neologistical perspective, is
"Francophrenic" fit for purpose in this case?
Addendum:
In retrospect, rigorous ratiocination requires recognition of two types
of thought: verbal and visual. Is French art intrinsically recognizable
as such?
Humans rely on at least two modes of thought: verbal (inner
speech) and visual (imagery). Are these modes independent,
or does engaging in one entail engaging in the other?
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5448978/>
The power of picturing thoughts
Visual images often intrude on verbal thinking, study says,
suggesting that pondering with images may be hardwired
<https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/05/visual-images-often-intrude-on-verbal-thinking-study-says/>
ObSF (first posted in 2020):
Beware the Hieronymus Bosch
"Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!"
"Be careful what you think, because your thoughts run your life."
"To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,"
Suppose God delivers the afterlife you crave. For instance, if you don't >believe in an afterlife, then your afterlife is nihility itself. You get >nonexistence because you want it.
An afterlife qualifies as posthuman on a most personal level. All of
which brings us to BABYLON SISTERS AND OTHER POSTHUMANS (di filippo).
Or, more specifically, to a short story in the di filippo collection
called "a short course in art appreciation."
In the story, a peptidergic pill induces a physiological, perceptual
change in users. They experience a different "perceptiverse" based upon
the pill ingested. A Dali pill delivers a Dali environment. A Vermeer
pill provides a Vermeer perceptiverse, and so on. As art aficionado
Alena enthuses:
"By taking this new neurotropin we'll be enabled to see not
/like/ Rembrandt, but as if /inhabiting/ Rembrandt's canvases!"
There's a hitch, of course. A hitch to provide story tension.
Note: This thread's title is not a spoiler. Bosch isn't in the story.
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
William Hyde wrote:
Don wrote:
Bobb[ie] Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their >>>>>> Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to >>>>>> disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot
stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.
That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
It's fun for fiction fans to fuss budget over the nuances of Poirot's
psychological proclivity for French. (Christie's own Francophilia's
beyond doubt, at least for me.)
Regardless, ratiocination's ready to resolve this riddle.
POIROT'S EARLY CASES is a favorite, packed with Poirot parlance. The
stories are splendidly sprinkled with Fench. He uses Mon Dieu! (My God!) >>> in four of the stories:
"The Affair at the Victory Ball"
'Aha!' said Poirot. 'Aha! Mon Dieu! Japp, that gives one
to think, does it not?'
"The Double Clue"
'What a woman!’ cried Poirot enthusiastically as we
descended the stairs. 'Mon Dieu, quelle femme!'
"The King of Clubs"
'Mon Dieu, I cannot always be talking blood and thunder!'
"The Lost Mine"
'He turned up that evening - Mon dieu, what a figure!'
"Parbleu!" (Heavens above!) is used in three stories. These examples
illustrate how Poirot reverts to French when surprised. Such behavior
indicates French serves as his mother tongue.
As one would expect of a (French-speaking) Belgian.
You did know that Belgium is linguistically mixed, right?
My great grandparents were immigrants from Belgium in 1903 or so. Their native language was Flemish as they were Flemish. They were refugees,
having been burned out by one the guilds.
My great grandfather spoke Flemish, German, Dutch, French, and English.
His first job in the USA was an interpreter in a water pump factory in Illinois that had 2,000 immigrants working in it.
On 10/21/2024 11:52 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:09:37 -0000 (UTC), Don <[email protected]> wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
William Hyde wrote:
Don wrote:
Bobb[ie] Sellers, how do you imagine Poirot's being Belgian
precludes his
(and Christie's own) Francophilia? Or perhaps, as you see it, their >>>>>> Francophilia is also imaginary? (In the latter case we'll agree to >>>>>> disagree.)
Read the books, and you will understand.
It has been a few decades since I have read any of the Hercule Poirot
stories, but I don't remember any comment that he was a Francophone.
That he almost certainly was one was obvious.
It's fun for fiction fans to fuss budget over the nuances of Poirot's
psychological proclivity for French. (Christie's own Francophilia's
beyond doubt, at least for me.)
Regardless, ratiocination's ready to resolve this riddle.
POIROT'S EARLY CASES is a favorite, packed with Poirot parlance. The
stories are splendidly sprinkled with Fench. He uses Mon Dieu! (My God!) >>> in four of the stories:
"The Affair at the Victory Ball"
'Aha!’ said Poirot. 'Aha! Mon Dieu! Japp, that gives one
to think, does it not?'
"The Double Clue"
'What a woman!’ cried Poirot enthusiastically as we >>> descended the stairs. 'Mon Dieu, quelle femme!'
"The King of Clubs"
'Mon Dieu, I cannot always be talking blood and thunder!’
"The Lost Mine"
"He turned up that evening - Mon dieu, what a figure!"
"Parbleu!" (Heavens above!) is used in three stories. These examples
illustrate how Poirot reverts to French when surprised. Such behavior
indicates French serves as his mother tongue.
As one would expect of a (French-speaking) Belgian.
You did know that Belgium is linguistically mixed, right?
I lived in Belgium for 6 years in the 70s, in Waterloo. I
could see the monument from my house.
The north speaks Dutch, and the people are 'Flems'
The south speaks French, and the people are 'Walloons'.
There was more than a little friction when I was there.
Brussels is officially bilingual, but in practice is a
French island surrounded by Dutch speakers (the border
is about 10 miles south of town).
There's also a small area in the far east of the country
which speaks German.
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