On 8/23/24 10:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep
finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-dinosaurs/
Interesting...very interesting. A few that fit came to mind, including
one who's title was elusive as heck for a while (the Aldiss) - and in
chasing it down, I found one that I had forgotten in an anthology I'd
never heard of:
A Gun for Dinosaur - L. Sprague de Camp
I (re)read this earlier this year.
Tunnel Through Time - Lester del Rey and Paul W. Fairman (This was
probably just Fairman, working from an idea/outline Lester gave him.)
This was one of the first two science fiction books I ever read.[1]
Poor Little Warrior! - Brian W. Aldiss
I was chasing down the title to this Aldiss story when I stumbled across
this anthology that I'd never heard of:
The Science Fictional Dinosaur, ed. by Martin H. Greenberg, Robert >Silverberg, and Charles G. Waugh
The complete list of stories is here >https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46564
which includes this story I read just last year (but had forgotten):
Wildcat - Poul Anderson
and which includes many other stories I'm unfamiliar with.[2]
Just fyi:
Laumer’s Dinosaur Beach barely has any dinosaurs in it at all.
Lastly, a story that (to me) only sort of fits:
The Doors of His Face, the Lamps of His Mouth - Roger Zelazny
which features a hunt for a 300-foot-long denizen of the Venusian oceans >commonly called "Ikky"...on Venus.
Tony
[1] The other candidate being Silverberg's Planet of Death
[2] I've read the Asimov, but I do not remember one thing about it.
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep
finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-dinosaurs/
On 8/23/24 6:04 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vab076$11l4a$[email protected]>,
Tony Nance <[email protected]> wrote:
On 8/23/24 10:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep >>>> finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-dinosaurs/
Interesting...very interesting. A few that fit came to mind, including
one who's title was elusive as heck for a while (the Aldiss) - and in
chasing it down, I found one that I had forgotten in an anthology I'd
never heard of:
A Gun for Dinosaur - L. Sprague de Camp
I (re)read this earlier this year.
Tunnel Through Time - Lester del Rey and Paul W. Fairman (This was
probably just Fairman, working from an idea/outline Lester gave him.)
This was one of the first two science fiction books I ever read.[1]
Poor Little Warrior! - Brian W. Aldiss
I was chasing down the title to this Aldiss story when I stumbled across >>> this anthology that I'd never heard of:
The Science Fictional Dinosaur, ed. by Martin H. Greenberg, Robert
Silverberg, and Charles G. Waugh
The complete list of stories is here
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46564
which includes this story I read just last year (but had forgotten):
Wildcat - Poul Anderson
and which includes many other stories I'm unfamiliar with.[2]
Just fyi:
Laumer’s Dinosaur Beach barely has any dinosaurs in it at all.
Lastly, a story that (to me) only sort of fits:
The Doors of His Face, the Lamps of His Mouth - Roger Zelazny
which features a hunt for a 300-foot-long denizen of the Venusian oceans >>> commonly called "Ikky"...on Venus.
Tony
[1] The other candidate being Silverberg's Planet of Death
[2] I've read the Asimov, but I do not remember one thing about it.
In van Vogt's "M33 In Andromeda", the Andromeda intelligence is
dinosauring the whole galaxy iirc.
Is that "dinosauring" in the sense of "extinct-ifying"? At least, that
is a Space Beagle story[1], and I don't think there are any dinosaurs in >those stories[2].
Tony
[1] unless it isn't
[2] unless there are
Poor Little Warrior! - Brian W. Aldiss[snip]
I was chasing down the title to this Aldiss story when I stumbled across
this anthology that I'd never heard of:
The Science Fictional Dinosaur, ed. by Martin H. Greenberg, Robert Silverberg, and Charles G. Waugh
The complete list of stories is here https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46564
which includes this story I read just last year (but had forgotten):
Wildcat - Poul Anderson
and which includes many other stories I'm unfamiliar with.[2]
Don wrote:
James Nicoll wrote:
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep
finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-dinosaurs/
_The Lost World_ by Arthur Conan Doyle
... Modern readers curious about Edwardian-era ... virulent bigotry
need look no further than this novel.
No doubt, James. Initiate of the United Grand Lodge of England, Sir Dr
Doyle,
I believe the correct order is "Dr Sir".
How about _Danny and the Dinosaur_?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_and_the_Dinosaur>
(Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have an ISFDB listing.)
Animal books for very young children, i.e. books for preschoolerswhich depict simple scenes from animal life featuring anthropomorphized
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-dinosaurs/
On 8/24/2024 4:46 PM, BCFD 36 wrote:
On 8/23/24 07:15, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep
finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-with-
dinosaurs/
I haven't read any of the other replies yet. There maybe a repeat or two
of previous comments.
I've read the Doyle and the Bradbury. Who hasn't read The Sound of
Thunder? And I am reminded of L. Sprague de Camp's "A Gun for Dinosaur".
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think
a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an RPG
or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
I think you're right. The story was published in 1956.
.600 Nitro Express has been around since 1915. While the .50 BMG
cartridge also goes back to the same period, but I can't find
reference to a 50 BMG rifle before 1971 (Barret's M82 came out in
1988).
The Carl Gustaf does go back to 1946, so its a possibility.
However, being recoilless, Mr. Seligman could have used it,
(with training), which would kind of kill the story.
But is it sporting to hunt with explosive rounds, let
alone shaped charges?
pt
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think
a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an RPG
or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
On 2024-08-24, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think
a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an RPG
or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
Large theropods were about the weight of a large African elephant,
so I think if you go hunting T. Rex, an elephant gun like .500 Nitro
Express should do the job. For sauropods, there simply aren't any
extant land animals that could serve as a point of reference. As
a wild guess, I'd think an M2 machine gun would bring the animal
down rather sooner than later, but this might invite accusations
of animal cruelty.
Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-08-24, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think
a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an RPG >>> or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
Large theropods were about the weight of a large African elephant,
so I think if you go hunting T. Rex, an elephant gun like .500 Nitro
Express should do the job. For sauropods, there simply aren't any
extant land animals that could serve as a point of reference. As
a wild guess, I'd think an M2 machine gun would bring the animal
down rather sooner than later, but this might invite accusations
of animal cruelty.
The problem is that those lizards have distributed brains instead of
having everything in one place like an elephant.
On 8/25/2024 5:13 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-08-24, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think >>>> a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an
RPG
or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
Large theropods were about the weight of a large African elephant,
so I think if you go hunting T. Rex, an elephant gun like .500 Nitro
Express should do the job. For sauropods, there simply aren't any
extant land animals that could serve as a point of reference. As
a wild guess, I'd think an M2 machine gun would bring the animal
down rather sooner than later, but this might invite accusations
of animal cruelty.
The problem is that those lizards have distributed brains instead of
having everything in one place like an elephant.
I thought that "secondary brain" meme got debunked decades ago!
On 8/23/24 11:44 PM, Ahasuerus wrote:
On 8/23/2024 5:50 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
[snip-snip]
Poor Little Warrior! - Brian W. Aldiss[snip]
I was chasing down the title to this Aldiss story when I stumbled
across this anthology that I'd never heard of:
The Science Fictional Dinosaur, ed. by Martin H. Greenberg, Robert
Silverberg, and Charles G. Waugh
The complete list of stories is here
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46564
which includes this story I read just last year (but had forgotten):
Wildcat - Poul Anderson
and which includes many other stories I'm unfamiliar with.[2]
Robert F. Young's "When Time Was New" (1964) (expanded as _Eridahn_ in
1983) was nice.
Good to know - thanks. Since some expansions are better than others (and
if you have indeed read them both), did you prefer one over the other?
Robert F. Young turned his short story "When Time Was New" into
a novel, Eridahn. I prefer the short version, but the book was
good, too. Just read the shorter one first, I'd say. The basic
premise is pretty cool - scientists explore the time of the
dinosaurs by using time traveling dinosaur shaped tanks.
Christian Weisgerber <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2024-08-24, BCFD 36 <[email protected]> wrote:
So, I found a PDF and reread it. I only have one quibble. I don't think
a 600 Nitro Express would be big enough for large dinosaur. Maybe an RPG >>> or some armor piercing .50 cal. Or maybe a Çarl Gustaf.
Large theropods were about the weight of a large African elephant,
so I think if you go hunting T. Rex, an elephant gun like .500 Nitro
Express should do the job. For sauropods, there simply aren't any
extant land animals that could serve as a point of reference. As
a wild guess, I'd think an M2 machine gun would bring the animal
down rather sooner than later, but this might invite accusations
of animal cruelty.
The problem is that those lizards have distributed brains instead of
having everything in one place like an elephant. So you can fire that
.850 Express into the head of an elephant and have it collapse, but
it's likely that the dinosaur will keep on going (perhaps even more effectively than a chicken).
There are other good targets like the heart (although some have supposed
that some larger dinosaurs may have had multiple hearts).
Random spraying with the M2 is not sporting. Nor is a 155mm howitzer. --scott
Don wrote:
Dorothy used to write about "The Star Beast." The Lummox may qualify as
distinctly dinosaur in demeanor.
Didn't Lummox have four legs and two arms ? Not quite a dinosaur. And
her family put her on a severe diet.
Lummox remained reared up, watching the dog but making
no move. He did add to his earlier remark a truthful
statement about the dog's ancestry
and an untruthful one about his habits;
On 8/23/2024 4:55 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
On 8/23/24 4:29 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/23/2024 9:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five Stories That Know Everything's Better With Dinosaurs
�From time travel to alternate timelines, science fiction authors keep >>>> finding novel ways to bring us into contact with dinosaurs--some
friendly, others not so much.
https://reactormag.com/five-stories-that-know-everythings-better-
with-dinosaurs/
Zero for five here.
You sure you haven't read the Bradbury? It's super famous, including
often being credited for the origin of the term "butterfly effect".
Tony
I thought that I read that in a short story ?
Lynn
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