• (Worst) He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 21 13:08:39 2024
    He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    Can the comedian from tomorrow avert dystopia and save a disgruntled
    SF author's ailing career in the process?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/pass
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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Tue May 21 21:42:06 2024
    On Tue, 21 May 2024 13:08:39 -0000 (UTC), [email protected] (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    Can the comedian from tomorrow avert dystopia and save a disgruntled
    SF author's ailing career in the process?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/pass

    Your brief synopsys of the plot made it sound... like its plot was
    very implausible. However, it also sounded like a very entertaining
    read, so I was surprised that you then went on to inform us of just
    how terrible it was.

    And, since the current pope doesn't have the power to haul people
    before the Inquisition, Galileo's big mistake only would have existed
    for Norman Spinrad in a different form... had he lived in some country
    which, unlike the U. S. of A., was not blessed with
    Constitutionally-guaranteed freedom of speech.

    But I can now see a potential problem with this novel as you describe
    it. It deals with a Big Idea, saving the world from ecological
    catastrophe caused by human carelesness, but reduces it to a plot of
    outrunning the Bad Guys who want to silence you.

    Speaking of popes, that reminds me of the movie Foul Play. The one
    that starred Goldie Hawn as the glory of the world.

    John Savard

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Wed May 22 13:03:13 2024
    In article <v2kpno$1651a$[email protected]>,
    Michael F. Stemper <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 08.08, James Nicoll wrote:
    He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    Can the comedian from tomorrow avert dystopia and save a disgruntled
    SF author's ailing career in the process?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/pass

    I always have concerns about stories featuring authors whose careers
    are on the skids; especially when they're written by authors whose
    careers were on the skids.

    It's kind of depressing to consider authors like Silverberg, Brunner,
    Spinrad, and Disch--and no doubt others--who were willing to put in
    the effort to produce ambitious works, only to be rewarded with
    disppointing or flat-out awful sales. In Brunner's case, in two
    separate episodes. In the case of Disch, to have one's big success
    be a kid's book.

    Gene Wolfe seems to have escaped that trap. I wonder how?

    Silverberg briefly retired, then returned with skillful pablum.
    Brunner... well, I won't get to that part of his career until August.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Wed May 22 23:04:47 2024
    In article <v2lmrk$1bsrm$[email protected]>,
    William Hyde <[email protected]> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v2kpno$1651a$[email protected]>,
    Michael F. Stemper <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 08.08, James Nicoll wrote:
    He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    Can the comedian from tomorrow avert dystopia and save a disgruntled
    SF author's ailing career in the process?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/pass

    I always have concerns about stories featuring authors whose careers
    are on the skids; especially when they're written by authors whose
    careers were on the skids.

    It's kind of depressing to consider authors like Silverberg, Brunner,
    Spinrad, and Disch--and no doubt others--who were willing to put in
    the effort to produce ambitious works, only to be rewarded with
    disppointing or flat-out awful sales. In Brunner's case, in two
    separate episodes. In the case of Disch, to have one's big success
    be a kid's book.

    Gene Wolfe seems to have escaped that trap. I wonder how?


    Books like "Castleview" and "Free live free" did not, I think, sell
    well. His career changed with "The Shadow of the Torturer". My copy was
    in strong demand from impecunious friends who had never before heard of >Wolfe. I can only assume that a number of pecunious friends also
    wanted to read the book.


    Silverberg briefly retired, then returned with skillful pablum.


    But also with "The Alien Years", which focuses largely on a
    Heinlein-style family in confrontation with inconceivably advanced
    aliens. It would be interesting to know what RAH would think of it, but
    in his absence, perhaps we can ask Lynn.

    Published about the same time as Dickson's "Way of the pilgrim" in which
    our alien occupiers are also inconceivably advanced but not quite as >difficult to understand. Again dealt with in a manner not likely to
    meet with the approval of John W. Campbell.


    Brunner... well, I won't get to that part of his career until August.

    He just seemed to vanish. I was puzzled at the time.

    The explanation is very depressing.

    Although not as bad as the choice he got later in life of taking
    his blood pressure meds and living at the cost of losing the ability
    to write, or retaining the ability to write at the cost of dying young
    (Which I think is the same choice Kornbluth got).
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to [email protected] on Thu May 23 08:58:56 2024
    On Wed, 22 May 2024 17:07:24 -0400, William Hyde
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v2kpno$1651a$[email protected]>,
    Michael F. Stemper <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 08.08, James Nicoll wrote:
    He Walked Among Us by Norman Spinrad

    Can the comedian from tomorrow avert dystopia and save a disgruntled
    SF author's ailing career in the process?

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/pass

    I always have concerns about stories featuring authors whose careers
    are on the skids; especially when they're written by authors whose
    careers were on the skids.

    It's kind of depressing to consider authors like Silverberg, Brunner,
    Spinrad, and Disch--and no doubt others--who were willing to put in
    the effort to produce ambitious works, only to be rewarded with
    disppointing or flat-out awful sales. In Brunner's case, in two
    separate episodes. In the case of Disch, to have one's big success
    be a kid's book.

    Gene Wolfe seems to have escaped that trap. I wonder how?


    Books like "Castleview" and "Free live free" did not, I think, sell
    well. His career changed with "The Shadow of the Torturer". My copy was
    in strong demand from impecunious friends who had never before heard of >Wolfe. I can only assume that a number of pecunious friends also
    wanted to read the book.


    Silverberg briefly retired, then returned with skillful pablum.


    But also with "The Alien Years", which focuses largely on a
    Heinlein-style family in confrontation with inconceivably advanced
    aliens. It would be interesting to know what RAH would think of it, but
    in his absence, perhaps we can ask Lynn.

    I found it worth reading for a while but ultimately ... pointless.

    Published about the same time as Dickson's "Way of the pilgrim" in which
    our alien occupiers are also inconceivably advanced but not quite as >difficult to understand. Again dealt with in a manner not likely to
    meet with the approval of John W. Campbell.


    Brunner... well, I won't get to that part of his career until August.

    He just seemed to vanish. I was puzzled at the time.

    William Hyde
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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